14:06:14 <tobberydberg> #startmeeting publiccloud_wg
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14:06:20 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'publiccloud_wg'
14:07:13 <tobberydberg> So, agenda can be found at
14:07:16 <tobberydberg> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg
14:07:39 <tobberydberg> please put your name there as well under participants
14:08:28 <tobberydberg> and ... NickCW and ChrisDB ... add "your topic" there as well
14:08:40 <NickCW> OK will do
14:09:05 <tobberydberg> 1. Passport program - use case and spec
14:10:10 <tobberydberg> I tried to put together a more "final" version of spec for the PPv2 ... it is in the bottom of that page I linked in the agenda
14:10:22 <tobberydberg> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PCWG-pp-spec-draft
14:11:10 <zhipeng> i think it is very good, thanks tobias
14:11:55 <zhipeng> the only additional item I got , like I wrote to you and Allison, is to add promotions in the banner area
14:12:23 <zhipeng> in that way Passport main page could be a place help member cloud to do promotions, each for a certain period
14:12:26 <tobberydberg> That was how far I got this week, so still to be done here is to officially add that spec to our repo, send out for +1/-1 and comments to the mailing list ... as well reaching out to all the PP members and welcome them to either net meeting or an extra meeting before that to have a final say in that spec
14:13:14 <tobberydberg> Sorry that I haven't responded to that.
14:13:57 <tobberydberg> Like that idea in general, no clue how foundation thinks around that though
14:14:00 <tobberydberg> BUT
14:14:12 <tobberydberg> I believe that is in the spec already, right?
14:14:57 <tobberydberg> under "Passport Promotion"
14:15:04 <tobberydberg> 1. OpenStack Foundation to provide promotion via the banner area on the passport homepage
14:15:30 <tobberydberg> or is that in some way different from what you proposed?
14:15:49 <zhipeng> ah i missed that
14:16:09 <zhipeng> then the next thing is for me to +1 or +2 on it :P
14:16:56 <tobberydberg> hehe
14:17:49 <tobberydberg> I will make sure to add this to the repo soon and send out an email to mailing list as well
14:18:55 <zhipeng> super awesome
14:18:58 <tobberydberg> Some of the things we need to check with foundation as well
14:19:20 <tobberydberg> But ok. Lets move on ... we can get back to this later as well
14:20:48 <tobberydberg> 2. Other topics
14:20:57 <tobberydberg> Lets swap order of the 2 items there
14:21:21 <tobberydberg> NickCW and ChrisDB ... I know you have something on your mind! =)
14:21:36 <NickCW> I have a bit prepared I shall cut and paste then we can discuss!
14:21:37 <ChrisDB> We have....
14:22:00 <tobberydberg> Unfortunately not too many at the meeting today, but we that are here are happy to listen
14:22:11 <tobberydberg> sure, that is totally fine
14:22:32 <NickCW> In order for Openstack providers to complete with the internet giants (AWS, Azure, Google) we need to have global reach.  We all have compatible technologies but to get that global reach we need to work together.
14:22:32 <NickCW> We'd like to propose an effort to promote a global load balancer solution for Openstack so potential customers can use resources from multiple providers spread around the world and have a standardised way of setting up a global load balancer.
14:22:32 <NickCW> The output of this project would be some documentation, some whitepapers on how to set this up to work with multiple providers and some marketing collateral.
14:22:32 <NickCW> We have had preliminary talks with Cloudflare to see if they would be interesting in partnering with us to be the global load balancer provider of choice.
14:22:32 <NickCW> Once we have a global load balancer partner we can work on making whitepapers describing the technology, do some proof of concepts and put some marketing effort behind it.
14:22:32 <NickCW> We aren't proposing any new technology, just a unified way of working together for the common good of Openstack.
14:24:12 <jamesmca_> That's a really interesting proposal.
14:24:50 <zhipeng> +1111111
14:25:01 <tobberydberg> Like it a lot as well .. of course =)
14:25:19 <tobberydberg> you should say +2 zhipeng ;-)
14:25:22 <zhipeng> we already have a blockchain initiative/project under the WG wing now, this could be another great addition
14:25:31 <zhipeng> haha workflow + 1
14:26:00 <NickCW> Thanks for your support :-)
14:26:08 <ChrisDB> We have previously trialled this concept with Datacentred before they went under....
14:26:26 <ChrisDB> it worked well - presented at a UK OpenStack event last year
14:26:30 <tobberydberg> I think it is a really good fit to have under the PCWG or PP umbrella
14:28:03 <jamesmca_> +1
14:28:08 <tobberydberg> Did they record that session?
14:30:03 <tobberydberg> can't find it
14:30:35 <ChrisDB> I'll ask and get back to you...
14:30:51 <tobberydberg> Did you use cloudflare in that presentation? Don't remember...
14:30:59 <NickCW> Yes we did
14:31:01 <ChrisDB> Yes we did....
14:31:06 <tobberydberg> ok ok
14:32:21 <tobberydberg> So, help me out here .... what would be the next steps here to potentially get this going
14:33:24 <tobberydberg> Write up a spec like the one for the PP where use case and need is defined, what technical requirements there is, what resources that are needed etc etc?
14:33:33 <ChrisDB> I would suggest that we collect the contact details of those interested and hold an initial conference call.
14:33:46 <ChrisDB> I'll also pull Cloudflare into the conversation
14:34:25 <ChrisDB> We can then put together a high level briefing for agreement by the group and an action plan to move this forward
14:35:01 <zhipeng> ChrisDB it would be better to have a detailed description first I think
14:35:14 <NickCW> Do you have a link for the PP doc tobberydberg ?
14:35:17 <zhipeng> help people understand what they are getting into
14:35:22 <tobberydberg> agree with zhipeng
14:35:34 <tobberydberg> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PCWG-pp-spec-draft
14:35:54 <tobberydberg> the later half of that etherpad will go in as a spec
14:36:03 <NickCW> OK so if we were to make an etherpad doc in a similar style that would be the thing?
14:36:23 <tobberydberg> but a etherpad, design not exactly like that but that describes the use case would be good
14:36:33 <tobberydberg> would be awesome
14:37:21 <zhipeng> or submit a patch for blueprint, which basically follows the same format
14:37:21 <NickCW> We can do that, starting with the use case, working down from there
14:37:57 <tobberydberg> so, just to make it clear in my hear here .. what are you thoughts around the project? To do this fully upstream way though the public cloud ww, or just collect som clouds that come together and that group help out to make this happen?
14:38:18 <tobberydberg> *through
14:39:24 <NickCW> I was thinking that this could be an offering of the Passport Program but I don't know what the best way to achieve that.  I think the first step is to write that doc and gauge interest.
14:39:57 <tobberydberg> totally agree, and totally agree that this would be a really good thing for the PP as well
14:40:50 <NickCW> I'm unclear exactly where this proposal might fit in with the various bodies involved - your guidance appreciated!
14:41:03 <tobberydberg> as an extension to PP a separate thing as well ... I guess time will tell, but like the idea in general
14:41:21 <NickCW> OK great. We can see where it goes.
14:41:30 <zhipeng> it could be incubated under PCWG
14:41:38 <zhipeng> and we will see later how it could go
14:41:45 <tobberydberg> yes, that for sure
14:42:27 <NickCW> That sounds like a fine plan.
14:42:43 <tobberydberg> an etherpad describing the proposal is very much appreciated, and it will make it easier to loop more members here into the discussion as well
14:43:17 <NickCW> OK, we'll work on that so it is ready in a few days.
14:43:44 <tobberydberg> perfect
14:44:22 <jamesmca_> tobberydberg: NickCW: please loop me in when ready as I'd like to pass along to the Foundation as well.
14:44:27 <jamesmca_> Cool stuff :)
14:44:37 <tobberydberg> question
14:45:00 <tobberydberg> cloudflare is not open source - should maybe be considered
14:45:19 <tobberydberg> I mean, to not lock it down to that
14:45:36 <ChrisDB> If there is anyone out there who can offer something similar, please let us know.
14:45:43 <tobberydberg> hehe
14:46:10 <tobberydberg> I know
14:46:13 <ChrisDB> otherwise, we would have to look at how we can commercialise this
14:47:47 <NickCW> Cloudflare do at least have a good reputation for open sourcing things
14:48:31 <tobberydberg> absolutely ... just wanted to mention it .. not sure about how the "4 opens" relate to that
14:48:42 <tobberydberg> jamesmca_: is that an issue?
14:48:55 <zhipeng> well if we are not gonna make it an official openstack project
14:49:03 <zhipeng> then it should be no problem
14:49:34 <tobberydberg> I don't think so either ... just want to straiten out as much as possible here
14:50:12 <jamesmca_> tobberydberg: that's probably something the TC/UC would need to weigh in on
14:50:34 <tobberydberg> ok, thanks jamesmca_
14:50:35 <jamesmca_> To my knowledge though, openstack public clouds aren't required to use open source CDNs.
14:50:56 <jamesmca_> Governance doesn't extend to business choices
14:51:24 <tobberydberg> Lets get it going with the first steps and see how it goes ... like the idea and don't see any issues with taht
14:51:26 <jamesmca_> Again, that's just my take, but I think you're right that as long as you aren't calling it an official project, there is a lot of leeway.
14:51:27 <tobberydberg> for sure
14:51:46 <tobberydberg> questions or anything else at this point?
14:51:59 <NickCW> Not from me
14:52:08 <ChrisDB> Nor me - thanks
14:52:56 <tobberydberg> Thanks to you for a very interesting suggestion
14:53:08 <tobberydberg> so, 2. other topics again
14:53:14 <zhipeng> life just got a bit more brighter :)
14:53:24 <tobberydberg> PTG - who are planning to go?
14:53:36 <zhipeng> i plan to go there
14:53:39 <tobberydberg> I know mnaser will be there as least
14:53:43 <tobberydberg> I will be there
14:54:00 <tobberydberg> finally got flights and hotel booked as well =)
14:54:13 <mnaser> i will be at the PTG
14:54:15 <tobberydberg> NickCW, ChrisDB - any of you 2?
14:54:39 <NickCW> Alas, not this time
14:55:39 <tobberydberg> ok
14:56:34 <tobberydberg> Anything else folks?
14:57:37 <zhipeng> nope
14:58:36 <tobberydberg> Thanks a lot for today and see you at the latest in 2 weeks! Where I hope we have a final for PP and and new draft spec to talk more about
14:58:39 <tobberydberg> Cheers
14:58:51 <NickCW> Thank you all!
14:59:17 <zhipeng> thanks everyone
14:59:27 <tobberydberg> #endmeeting