07:08:04 <tobberydberg> #startmeeting publiccloud_wg
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07:08:07 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'publiccloud_wg'
07:08:30 <tobberydberg> Agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg
07:10:23 <tobberydberg> Looks like it's probably you and me here adriant ... but lets go over a few quick things
07:10:35 <tobberydberg> zhipeng might drop in
07:11:11 <tobberydberg> #topic 1. Berlin planning
07:11:44 <adriant> I'll be there :)
07:12:01 <tobberydberg> See that you added your self to etherpad =) Will it be you and Bruno? Pr even more?
07:12:12 * adriant still has to finish his talk
07:12:15 <adriant> yes Bruno will be there too
07:12:21 <adriant> forgot to add him
07:12:48 <zhipeng> lurking
07:12:50 <tobberydberg> Cool! We will be around 7 peeps from us as well
07:14:02 <tobberydberg> Would be nice to pull off a "group dinner" .... but this is a short week, so maybe just look into that ad hoc when we are there....
07:14:33 <adriant> I'll be in Berlin from the 11th until the 17th, so plenty of chances :)
07:14:50 <adriant> wanted to have a couple of days before the summit to relax and get ready
07:15:04 <tobberydberg> Ah, awesome =)
07:15:30 <tobberydberg> I'm there very late 11th and leaving 16th in the morning
07:15:41 <zhipeng> Monday night ?
07:15:56 <tobberydberg> Not a bad idea!
07:16:24 <zhipeng> :)
07:16:44 <adriant> works for me :)
07:17:02 <tobberydberg> Added to etherpad
07:18:02 <tobberydberg> Please add your name to that dinner time proposal as well and spread the word. I'll have a look for places ... can probably as someone local for tips
07:19:20 <tobberydberg> We have some forum sessions submitted ... me and zhipeng will make sure to create individual etherpads for those
07:19:59 <tobberydberg> Also, will add you as co moderator to the 2 we talked about adriant ... also make that is not in direct conflict with your other talks
07:20:32 <tobberydberg> Will also marketing these sessions to the mailinglist
07:21:12 <tobberydberg> We have a working group session. My suggestion is that we do:
07:21:18 <tobberydberg> * Recap last 6 months
07:21:34 <tobberydberg> Recap from Denver basically
07:21:53 <tobberydberg> * Focus areas - decide upon which projects to work on etc
07:22:27 <tobberydberg> * Goals - for the upcoming 6 months (until Denver)
07:23:49 <tobberydberg> * Meeting attendance - (and timing) - We have had issues with attendance in the meetings lately, so would be nice to get some information about why that is and what can be done to have more people attend the meetings
07:25:34 <zhipeng> Which one is the wg session ?
07:25:57 <tobberydberg> Tue 13, 3:20pm - 4:00pm
07:25:57 <tobberydberg> Public Cloud WG Meeting
07:26:24 <zhipeng> Ah ok
07:26:26 <tobberydberg> More ideas about the agenda for that session?
07:28:57 <adriant> hah,  my Adjutant talk is at the same time as the public cloud meeting
07:29:09 <adriant> that's annoying, didn't spot that before
07:29:23 <tobberydberg> ok. I'll see what I can do about that
07:29:51 <tobberydberg> I would like to be in that talk as well ... and I assume a lot of other PC representatives
07:31:20 <tobberydberg> #topic  2. Prio / ranking of launchpad
07:31:45 <tobberydberg> We have the list at https://launchpad.net/openstack-publiccloud-wg
07:31:59 <tobberydberg> Pretty much up to date and well commented
07:32:26 <tobberydberg> What we need is more "operators" to go in and "vote"
07:33:00 <tobberydberg> We have now selected a few items that we believe are the most important and of more "community wide" character
07:33:10 <tobberydberg> Like "Deletion of project"
07:33:52 <tobberydberg> We are working on a community wide list for those, that isn't unique for us, a list for all operators
07:34:36 <tobberydberg> We plan to have that done for Berlin and hopefully do a push there to get more people to vote for the most needed "features"
07:35:30 <adriant> Well MFA and Project deletion I will most definitely be behind, and working on
07:36:00 <tobberydberg> Yes, know, which is great! :-) Thank you for that! :-)
07:36:32 <tobberydberg> I would love to be able to spend time and help out ... but not yet there...
07:36:37 <adriant> actually should update the MFA bug: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/611230
07:37:41 <tobberydberg> +1
07:38:21 <adriant> and yes, sadly due to internal keystone refactors the work was pushed to stein :(
07:38:28 <adriant> but the new code is much nicer
07:38:50 <tobberydberg> All for the good
07:39:09 <tobberydberg> Talked to Colleen and Lance about it in Denver
07:40:02 <zhipeng> +100
07:40:41 <tobberydberg> What are the work you are doing with "Project deletion" ?
07:40:56 <tobberydberg> is that inside Adjutant adriant ?
07:41:01 <adriant> The Adjutant based workflow to delete a project yest
07:41:33 <tobberydberg> ah, ok ok... We have talked alot about using ospurge and get that working...
07:41:39 <adriant> mostly because I don't feel keystone needs or should have to worry about triggering a delete of resources in other projects, nor can other projects watch the message queue too well for a keystone delete notification
07:41:59 <adriant> a workflow in Adjutant means and API call that can do the work, and confirm it
07:42:40 <adriant> and potentially allow each project to implement an action for Adjutant to delete the resources in their service, or even just an API for Adjutant to call per service.
07:43:32 <adriant> effectively, OS purge, but behind an API in Adjutant
07:43:43 <tobberydberg> Ok, great! I've thought of it as a hygien factor for each project to have like a "purge" feature to deal with it's own resources ... but I see the issues that come with that as well
07:44:06 <adriant> a purge feature in each service would be amazing! and I think that's a great idea
07:44:27 <tobberydberg> sounds like we are thinking in the same lines here
07:44:41 <adriant> but Keystone may not be the best place to call that... unless it can do so based on the services in the catalog
07:44:44 <adriant> which... gets messy
07:44:59 <adriant> per region, per service...
07:45:09 <tobberydberg> yea, looks like the central place to have it, but hear you
07:45:13 <tobberydberg> Wed 14, 4:20pm - 5:00pm Deletion of project and project resources
07:45:17 <adriant> yep :)
07:45:36 <adriant> looking forward to that, and will hopefully catch lance before that and get his view on it.
07:45:38 <tobberydberg> ^^ Good opportunity to get all right people in the room and come to a great suggestion
07:45:48 <tobberydberg> Perfect!
07:46:40 <tobberydberg> We have 15 more minutes...
07:46:53 <tobberydberg> #topic 3. Other business
07:47:45 <tobberydberg> Just wanted to mention that it would be awesome if we can get to a point where we have better meeting attendance in general
07:47:59 * adriant is trying
07:48:03 <tobberydberg> Thanks for being here adriant by the way =)
07:48:11 <adriant> I have missed the last few ones at this time sadly
07:48:27 <tobberydberg> Know the meeting times are not in your favour
07:48:38 <adriant> will after the summit make a more consistent reminder
07:48:59 <tobberydberg> Like that! Still, is this timeslot ok for you?
07:49:08 <adriant> and at least until end of December I may attend the second meeting since I'll be in Europe visiting family
07:49:18 <adriant> yes, this time is perfect most of the time :)
07:50:58 <tobberydberg> Thats nice=)
07:51:15 <tobberydberg> Where will you be?
07:51:21 <adriant> Croatia
07:51:36 <tobberydberg> Sounds nice! :-) Never been there
07:51:58 <adriant> very pretty! although I have mixed feelings about the people there :P
07:52:26 <tobberydberg> hahaha
07:52:27 <adriant> I'll be partly on holiday, partly working on upstream work
07:52:39 <tobberydberg> Good mix!
07:52:51 <adriant> and hopefully depending on the snow, going snowboarding!
07:53:08 <zhipeng> And football !
07:53:30 <adriant> Well, i won't be playing it, but yes Croatia did well this year!
07:53:35 <tobberydberg> The Alps should have some snow ... we already have snow in skiing resorts up north in Sweden
07:55:35 <adriant> Nice! I should really visit Sweden at some stage. I have friends working at Spotify in Stockholm
07:55:41 <tobberydberg> Another thing that I wan't to reach out about is the Passport program! Bring feedback to the meeting in Berlin... We need and we will do a little "restart" of that....focus of quality of the endusers so important that participating clouds follow the guideline that we decide upon
07:55:54 <tobberydberg> Great place to work at!
07:56:12 <adriant> Yes
07:56:27 <tobberydberg> You let me know if you end up here! ;-)
07:56:33 <adriant> will try to be at the forum session as well :)
07:57:01 <tobberydberg> Perfect! We have plenty this time...
07:58:27 <tobberydberg> Anything else folks?
08:00:09 <adriant> I think we're good!
08:00:25 <adriant> gonna be a busy summit, but hopefully very productive!
08:00:59 <tobberydberg> Definitely! Looking forward to it! :-)
08:01:05 <tobberydberg> Thats it for today then! :) Thanks for joining!
08:01:15 <tobberydberg> See you in 2 weeks in Berlin!
08:01:16 <adriant> oh and tobberydberg: one suggestion may be to eventually move the public cloud working group to Storyboard, although I know we've just gotten launchpad nice :)
08:01:44 <adriant> but most of openstack is moving there slowly, and it 'mostly' works nicer
08:02:27 <tobberydberg> Thanks for the feedback! Can agree, but personally don't like it much ... BUT ... haven't spend time with it so it's probably ok when you do =)
08:02:28 <tobberydberg> But agree, we should
08:02:47 * adriant is literally in the process of moving adjutant blueprints and bugs over
08:03:59 <tobberydberg> The you can show as all the good stuff with SB in Berlin ;-)
08:04:02 <tobberydberg> #endmeeting