09:00:35 <masayukig> #startmeeting qa
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09:01:06 <masayukig> Who's here for today?
09:02:35 <masayukig> or should I skip this meeting?
09:03:53 <masayukig> ping dmellado , jordanP ?
09:04:03 <jordanP> I am here :)
09:04:03 <dmellado> o/
09:04:10 <masayukig> phew
09:04:40 <dmellado> masayukig: got caught 'interoping' xD
09:04:43 <dmellado> but I'm here
09:05:02 <masayukig> dmellado : heh, hi :)
09:05:39 <masayukig> ok, so, let's get started
09:05:52 <masayukig> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_October_6th_2016_.280900_UTC.29
09:06:07 <masayukig> Today's agenda ^^
09:06:23 <masayukig> so, first topic is
09:06:35 <masayukig> #topic Newton Priorities
09:06:36 <masayukig> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-qa-newton-priorities
09:06:45 <masayukig> But I don't think we need to track one by one.
09:07:02 <masayukig> Does anyone have something to say?
09:07:03 <dmellado> I don't think so either
09:07:30 <dmellado> there are a few missing unit tests for service clients only
09:07:39 <dmellado> and a few service clients to migrate, maybe 1 or 2
09:07:44 <dmellado> but that part should be about done
09:08:01 <dmellado> anything from os-health, masayukig ?
09:08:51 <masayukig> dmellado : thanks, actually no about o-h thing, But I saw some patches landed.
09:08:53 <masayukig> and
09:09:03 <masayukig> I actually have one, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355666/ is for "The last piece: Use 'tempest init' and 'tempest run' on the gate"
09:09:33 <masayukig> I'm now tackling with this. This is still SUPER WIP, but baby steps.
09:09:56 * andreaf o/
09:10:05 <masayukig> hi andreaf !
09:10:05 <dmellado> andreaf: hey ;)
09:10:13 <dmellado> welcome back
09:10:30 <andreaf> hi - thanks
09:10:42 <masayukig> andreaf : any update from you about https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-qa-newton-priorities ?
09:11:33 <andreaf> masayukig: no - I'm just back from holidays - so work done in the past two+ weeks
09:11:58 <masayukig> andreaf : ah, cool, I see :)
09:12:35 <masayukig> anything else, guys?
09:13:20 <dmellado> I guess that's it
09:13:24 <masayukig> ok,
09:13:29 <masayukig> next topic
09:13:35 <jordanP> I think I'll give Cleanup client and manager aliases (the manager aliases) a shot soon
09:13:58 <masayukig> jordanP : oh, nice :)
09:15:04 <masayukig> #topic Next Summit
09:15:36 <masayukig> so, we have some QA slots: 3fb 4wr
09:16:07 <masayukig> But I think the proposed topic is still not enough: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-qa-summit-topics
09:16:15 <dmellado> masayukig: andreaf
09:16:33 <dmellado> I'd like to propose a topic about how to handle plug-ins
09:16:42 <dmellado> but maybe that'd be related to mtreinish's TC proposal
09:16:51 <dmellado> and andreaf work on Manila
09:17:03 <dmellado> I'm aware that we do treat them as some kind of 'third party'
09:17:05 <masayukig> dmellado : yeah, but please feel free to add your thoughts
09:17:30 <dmellado> but I've spending a ton of time cleaning up them, and was wondering if having a discussion on how to proceed with them
09:17:37 <dmellado> either the forceful repo
09:17:43 <dmellado> or another options
09:17:45 <dmellado> would be great
09:18:01 <dmellado> btw /me got added to discuss that for manila too
09:18:12 <dmellado> so I think that spending a session for that could be good
09:18:35 <dmellado> wdyt guys?
09:18:36 <masayukig> manila? what kind of thing?
09:19:02 <dmellado> masayukig: on the dev session from manila they asked me to join for a topic on how to stop pinning tempest
09:19:06 <dmellado> and properly handle the plugin
09:19:43 <dmellado> so instead of doing also that, maybe we could put up a session on the plugins and have folks from other projects come
09:20:14 <masayukig> hmm, we should add more docs or should have a hands-on session or something?
09:20:19 <jordanP> as far as I know they have a problem with authentication of tenant-isolation
09:21:10 <dmellado> mmm masayukig jordanP maybe both
09:21:16 <dmellado> jordanP: also, there were quite a few of tempest imports
09:21:19 <dmellado> there's a blueprint for that
09:21:28 <dmellado> mkoderer___: put up a patch and we were discussing that at the mid-cycle
09:22:15 <dmellado> but if there are available slots and not too many topics, I think it'd be worthwhile
09:22:31 <dmellado> andreaf: you were also working on manila to avoid pinning, weren't you?
09:22:50 <jordanP> anyway there's not a lot we can do, they should step up and learn how to use the framework/plugins
09:23:01 <jordanP> there's always a bit of a learning curve
09:23:29 <andreaf> dmellado: I was working on the manila plugin to use the latest stable interface (clients) - which requires using a more recent version of tempest
09:23:33 <andreaf> ideally no pinning
09:23:58 <andreaf> if all unstable interfaces are dropped so can pinning, but there's more used by manila right now
09:25:27 <dmellado> jordanP: yep, for instance I've been seeing (and putting patches)
09:25:37 <dmellado> against wrong usage of service_available CFG
09:25:45 <dmellado> in quite a bit of projects
09:26:14 <masayukig> It might be good to have a slot for it. But anyways, I think it's good to add your ideas on the etherpad. We will be able to discuss them later.
09:26:24 <dmellado> masayukig: will do
09:26:34 <dmellado> let's discuss it there and with a broader audience ,)
09:26:35 <masayukig> dmellado : cool, thanks :)
09:26:37 <dmellado> so please continue
09:26:45 <masayukig> yeah
09:27:10 <masayukig> anything else on the next summit topic?
09:27:29 <masayukig> ok
09:27:31 <masayukig> #topic Specs Reviews
09:27:58 <masayukig> we have some patches on the gerrit
09:28:03 <masayukig> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z
09:28:35 <masayukig> I actually leave them these days...
09:29:04 <masayukig> andreaf : you have some patches, do you want to bring something?
09:30:13 <andreaf> masayukig: nothing from my side right now
09:30:20 <masayukig> ok
09:30:51 <masayukig> I'll review them, anyways
09:31:12 <masayukig> so, next topic is
09:31:20 <masayukig> #topic Tempest
09:31:57 <masayukig> do you have anything to bring up?
09:33:08 <masayukig> so, if nothing, I have one :)
09:33:14 <dmellado> go for it ;)
09:33:36 <masayukig> the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358149/ was approved
09:33:49 <masayukig> 'Add "daily" option to bugdaystats.py'
09:34:35 <masayukig> This makes daily bug triage counts in JSON for a half year
09:34:51 * dmellado needs to go for a doctor checkup, will follow-up later with you guys
09:34:51 <masayukig> like oomichi's graph
09:35:06 <masayukig> dmellado : oh, take care :)
09:35:09 <dmellado> masayukig: I'll look for the link on the spec later and will review it
09:35:11 <dmellado> see you later guys
09:35:23 <dmellado> thanks!
09:35:29 <masayukig> \o/
09:35:31 <jordanP> I have a couple of reviews to drop sahara tests, negative auto tests and stress tests. I'd like them to be merged right after we tag tempest 13. that would be great :)
09:35:50 <dmellado> jordanP: just before I go, did you sync with tosky on the sahara drop?
09:35:54 <dmellado> I kinda recall that yes
09:35:56 <dmellado> but just in case
09:36:03 <jordanP> yeah he +1 the patch
09:36:07 <masayukig> jordanP : wow, nice
09:36:10 <dmellado> ack then, thanks!
09:36:29 <dmellado> when do we plan to tag 13, btw?
09:36:33 <dmellado> this week? next?
09:37:00 <masayukig> I have no idea, oomichi or mtreinish knows it?
09:37:13 * dmellado will read up later, going ;)
09:37:23 * masayukig waves
09:37:38 <masayukig> so, anything else on Tempest?
09:37:57 <masayukig> if not, next topic is
09:38:07 <masayukig> #topic DevStack + Grenade
09:38:23 <frickler> hi, sorry for stumbling in late, but I'd like to draw some attention to
09:38:28 <frickler> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1629133
09:38:29 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1629133 in devstack "New neutron subnet pool support breaks multinode testing." [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Angel Ajo (mangelajo)
09:38:40 <masayukig> frickler : hi :)
09:38:44 <frickler> this is being pushed around for a week now
09:39:33 <frickler> and seems to still be a cause for a lot of gate jobs failing
09:41:42 <masayukig> frickler : hrm, it's too bad, but it seems Miguel are doing for it?
09:42:35 <masayukig> I actually don't know the bug details, though..
09:42:39 <frickler> https://review.openstack.org/381965 has -W, maybe it would help if some QA core could join the effort
09:44:06 <masayukig> frickler : ok, I'm actually not a devstack core but a tempest. But I hope oomichi , mtreinish , sc68cal , or some other guys probably help it.
09:44:55 <frickler> masayukig: k, lets hope they take a look at the log later
09:45:05 <masayukig> yeah..
09:45:14 <masayukig> anything else?
09:45:22 <masayukig> (15 mins)
09:45:40 <masayukig> if not, the next topic is
09:45:42 <masayukig> #topic openstack-health
09:46:10 <masayukig> But I already told about this before. I have nothing more.
09:46:35 <masayukig> ok, move forward
09:46:45 <masayukig> #topic Critical Reviews
09:46:56 <jordanP> as a general note, I've seen a couple of migration tests trying to be added lately. Be sure that they are run somewwhere, in some jobs.
09:48:05 <masayukig> jordanP : thanks, you added it for the REVIEW docs
09:48:34 <jordanP> and as usual, pay also attention to code duplication. We can't have 10 different ways to create a volume or a server
09:49:00 * masayukig keeps in mind
09:49:22 <jordanP> finally, when a new test is beeing added, ask yourself whether it is not already tested somewhere else
09:49:50 <jordanP> it's easier to add a test for an untested feature than to go over all the tests and look for duplicates
09:49:57 <jordanP> once a test is in, it super hard to remove it
09:50:45 <masayukig> jordanP : yeah, agree
09:51:32 <masayukig> I think it's important, There's very few people in this meeting, though..
09:51:49 <masayukig> ok, 9 mins left
09:52:14 <masayukig> do you have anything to bring up for critical reviews?
09:52:19 <DavidPurcell> Is it possible to discuss a Tempest spec I created during this part of the meeting?
09:52:26 <DavidPurcell> Or should I save it for open discussion?
09:52:50 <masayukig> DavidPurcell : hi,
09:52:58 <DavidPurcell> hello :)
09:53:04 <jordanP> you can go ahead :)
09:53:08 <masayukig> yeah
09:53:20 <DavidPurcell> Okay.  I brought it up at last week's meeting
09:53:22 <DavidPurcell> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382672/
09:53:47 <masayukig> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382672/
09:54:32 <DavidPurcell> Thanks.
09:54:35 <masayukig> DavidPurcell : you need more reviewers for this, right?
09:54:50 <DavidPurcell> I assume so, I'm not 100% sure on the process
09:56:35 <masayukig> ok, I think if this is complicated or needs to face to face discussion, and you'll come to the summit, you can add this as a design summit topic.
09:57:26 <DavidPurcell> I won't be there, but some other representatives from my company (AT&T) will be.
09:57:57 <masayukig> DavidPurcell : ok, you can feel free to add it if you need it. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-qa-summit-topics
09:58:15 <masayukig> But the slots are limited, though...
09:58:51 <masayukig> DavidPurcell : thanks :)
09:58:56 <masayukig> so, 2 mins
09:59:11 <masayukig> anything else, guys?
09:59:28 <masayukig> #topic Open Discussion
09:59:38 <masayukig> ok, i just changed the topic
09:59:59 <masayukig> do you have anything to chat?
10:00:14 <masayukig> if not, time's up!
10:00:48 <masayukig> so, thanks guys!!!
10:01:08 <masayukig> if you have something, bring it to qa channel :)
10:01:09 <masayukig> #endmeeting