15:02:38 <dmsimard> #startmeeting RDO meeting - 2018-01-24
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15:02:46 <dmsimard> #topic rollcall
15:02:50 <rbowen> yo
15:02:53 <mjturek> o/
15:02:54 <mary_grace> o/
15:03:18 <dmsimard> jpena, amoralej, number80 ^
15:03:21 <amoralej> o/
15:03:24 <jpena> o/
15:03:26 <number80> o/
15:03:29 <dmsimard> if you have any topics for the meeting, please add them to the agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/RDO-Meeting
15:04:27 <dmsimard> ok, short agenda today but let's get it started
15:04:37 <dmsimard> #topic Meta: Should we re-schedule the RDO meeting if there is a significant conflict with something else ?
15:04:43 <jschlueter> o/
15:04:54 <baha> o/
15:05:22 <rbowen> I'm going to vote no on rescheduling the meeting for conflicts, in general, because it's SO hard to find a meeting time that works for everyone.
15:05:22 <dmsimard> Some notes have been added to the topic in the etherpad which says we shouldn't but it's probably worthwhile to agree on it
15:05:53 <rbowen> Unless we're going to miss several weeks in a row, I'd say keep the slot we have and send good notes to the mailing list for folks that have to miss.
15:06:55 <dmsimard> Does that make sense to everyone ? I think having our meeting at the same time and hour every week is beneficial
15:07:00 <rbowen> Am I the only one with an opinion? That's unusual. :D
15:07:00 <amoralej> +1
15:07:50 <dmsimard> We might want to poll the community to gauge if there is any interest in a meeting in another timezone from time to time -- or perhaps could that be handled by the office hours thing ?
15:08:01 <mary_grace> I like the stance that community events shouldn't be superseded by RH events, especially given that we're wnanting to up community involvement
15:08:19 <AndroUser> O/
15:08:35 <rbowen> alternating time zones may bring in more participants, for sure. It's worth pitching and seeing if there are folks in Asia that would attend more often if we did that.
15:09:21 <rdogerrit> Sagi Shnaidman created config master: Add OVB fs001 job to puppe-pacemaker  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/11567
15:09:36 <sshnaidm> EmilienM, ^^
15:10:08 <dmsimard> okay, I don't see any objections to keep our current schedule -- if you have any concerns please bring them up
15:10:33 <number80> Well, we can submit a poll to revisit the schedule and get more feedback
15:11:20 <dmsimard> okay, let's move on
15:11:23 <jruzicka> o/
15:11:40 <dmsimard> #topic Still looking for volunteers for the OpenStack table at FOSDEM: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fosdem-2018 (next weekend!)
15:11:42 <dmsimard> rbowen ^
15:11:43 <EmilienM> sshnaidm: ack
15:11:59 <rbowen> Not much more to say there. We're lacking about half the time slots at FOSDEM.
15:11:59 <dmsimard> Anyone here attending FOSDEM ?
15:12:01 <rbowen> Tell your friends.
15:12:04 <number80> o/
15:12:13 <rbowen> What's concerning to me is that it looks like it's *all* Red Hat people. That's not cool.
15:12:20 <number80> Well, forgot to add myself but I shouldn't be too far from the table
15:12:28 <EmilienM> sshnaidm: fs035 would be cool on master too for ipv6
15:12:33 <rbowen> So bug your colleagues from other orgs. :)
15:12:37 <dmsimard> rbowen: did you reach out to openstack-dev ?
15:12:50 <sshnaidm> EmilienM, for puppet-pacemaker?
15:12:51 <number80> dmsimard: on the list below, there are non-hatters
15:12:56 <rbowen> Yes, I've emailed openstack-dev, the main openstack list, and openstack-community
15:13:01 <EmilienM> sshnaidm: yes
15:13:03 <amoralej> i'll also attend fosdem
15:13:11 <rbowen> I emailed openstack-dev again this morning.
15:13:19 <number80> I believe that most openstack-fr folks will be anyway there, Adrien will bring the banner I think for instance
15:13:25 <rbowen> Excellent.
15:13:34 <rbowen> I'm sure it'll be fine, it often fills up at the last minute.
15:13:51 <rbowen> Mostly I don't want to be there all day Sunday. :)
15:13:59 <rdogerrit> Sagi Shnaidman proposed config master: Add OVB fs001 and fs035 job to puppet-pacemaker  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/11567
15:14:02 <sshnaidm> EmilienM, ^
15:14:07 <rbowen> That's all for that item
15:15:08 <dmsimard> ok, moving on
15:15:23 <dmsimard> #topic Test day, Feb 8, 9, for Q3 - http://rdoproject.org/testday/queens/milestone3/
15:15:29 <rbowen> Are we going to do the test cloud again? Do we feel that it was sufficiently beneficial to do it again?
15:15:43 <rbowen> I'm definitely +1 to doing it again, but I just paid for it. I didn't do the work. :)
15:16:06 <number80> I'd try it again, experience was positive
15:16:10 <dmsimard> I can do the legwork to reach out to deployment project communities to gauge if they have interest in standing it up and operating it for the duration of the test days
15:16:37 <jpena> worst case, we can try packstack again
15:16:39 <rbowen> Possibly an extra day lead time so that it's less stressful?
15:16:43 <dmsimard> Ideally we would rotate and not use Packstack all the time so we can collaborate with other projects
15:16:49 <dmsimard> rbowen: yeah.
15:17:07 <dmsimard> We also need to figure out some gotchas like public network
15:17:15 <rbowen> various people in the upstream seemed interested, so it may be an opportunity to engage more of the community outside of RDO to help with this.
15:17:39 <amoralej> yeah, need to fix the network
15:17:51 <dmsimard> rbowen: the idea I had was to involve the deployment projects that support RDO (e.g, kolla, tripleo) and see if they are interested in running the cloud for the duration of the event
15:18:00 <rbowen> So we definitely need more promotion on upstream lists, as well as on centos lists.
15:18:09 <rbowen> dmsimard: Yes, that would be awesome.
15:18:10 <dmsimard> rbowen: it ends up being beneficial to the deployment project because they get real users/feedback
15:18:10 <amoralej> dmsimard, sounds good
15:18:30 <dmsimard> rbowen: was the budget/invoice for the previous experiment in reasonable territory ?
15:18:31 <rbowen> If we need more lead time on the cloud, that's fine, from a budget perspective.
15:18:40 <rbowen> dmsimard: Yes, it was fine. No problems adding a day or two.
15:18:47 <dmsimard> ok
15:19:25 <dmsimard> I'll reach out and report back
15:19:46 <dmsimard> #action dmsimard to reach out to TripleO and Kolla to see if they are interested in running a cloud for the test days
15:20:16 <dmsimard> #topic rdoproject.org/blog moving to blogs.rdoproject in the next few days. Let me know if you have pending blog posts.
15:20:16 <rbowen> As always, we need a better test day "script" for people to follow.
15:20:25 <dmsimard> I think I saw a pull request for a blog post recently
15:20:44 <dmsimard> Ah I guess it's already merged https://github.com/redhat-openstack/website/pull/1157
15:20:45 <rbowen> ok, for this item: With a great deal of help from jbrooks we have imported all of rdoproject.org/blog into blogs.rdoproject.org
15:20:58 <rbowen> However, we still need to get the last few posts that were missed in that import
15:21:08 <rbowen> After that, we'll be redirecting so all the old links still work.
15:21:13 <rbowen> Hopefully today or tomorrow.
15:21:19 <rbowen> So if you have a blog post in flight, let me know.
15:21:23 <dmsimard> that new blog is sweet, good job everyone :D
15:21:35 <rbowen> This will give us the advantage of all of the Wordpress tools.
15:21:36 <dmsimard> rbowen: so that means people can't submit blog posts via pull request now ?
15:21:53 <rbowen> Yes, that's the one downside, for folks that appreciate that work flow.
15:22:16 <rbowen> There is, however, a drafting interface so that you can draft a post and have it reviewed before pushing it live.
15:22:19 <dmsimard> rbowen: is the procedure to submit a post on the new blog documented somewhere ?
15:22:27 <rbowen> Not yet. That's TODO.
15:22:47 <rbowen> If you authored anything on the existing blog, you have an account on the new site
15:22:47 <dmsimard> I guess we need to have credentials set up first -- and we also need people that are able to vet posts before they are published ?
15:22:58 <rbowen> However, you'll need to request a password reset, since they're all randomized right now.
15:23:20 <rbowen> Account creation process is ask me. There's also some other admins on that site, which I need to document.
15:23:23 <rbowen> I'll do that asap.
15:23:38 <rbowen> But chances are you already have an account.
15:23:50 <dmsimard> okay
15:24:04 <rbowen> So we'll finish importing all of the old posts today or tomorrow, I expect, and then switch over.
15:24:10 * number80 thinks rbowen answered all the questions he had
15:24:20 <dmsimard> works for me
15:24:23 <dmsimard> anything else ?
15:24:27 <rbowen> Nope.
15:24:30 <dmsimard> #topic Virtual RDO summit/meetup, is that still a thing?
15:24:38 <dmsimard> I remember we threw this idea around a while back
15:24:48 <dmsimard> I was wondering if we still wanted to do it or not
15:24:48 <rbowen> I think this got dropped because nobody was really leading the effort.
15:24:56 <dmsimard> That's totally fair :)
15:24:57 <number80> I don't think there was anything new
15:25:09 <rbowen> I think we still want to do it. We just need 2 or 3 people who are going to make it happen.
15:25:17 <rbowen> I'll volunteer for that.
15:25:17 <rdogerrit> Luigi Toscano proposed openstack/sahara-distgit rpm-master: Split sahara-image-pack into its own package  https://review.rdoproject.org/r/10843
15:25:21 <chkumar246> I can help on that
15:25:34 <dmsimard> I ask mostly because I'll have this awesome RDO talk I'll be doing at a local meetup (and perhaps a version of it at the upcoming summit if it gets approved and I can go) :P
15:26:06 <rbowen> Timing is tricky, since DevConf is this weekend and FOSDEM is next weekend and then there's the PTG and ... after that?
15:26:10 <rdobot> [sensu] NEW: master.monitoring.rdoproject.org - check-delorean-master-current @ http://tinyurl.com/y8hxewm2 |#| Build failure on centos7-master/current: glance: http://trunk.rdoproject.org/centos7-master/report.html
15:26:32 <rbowen> Or possibly between FOSDEM and the PTG. It doesn't need to take long to organize.
15:26:33 <chkumar246> We can keep in between ptg and summit
15:26:34 <dmsimard> Vancouver is in may
15:26:51 <chkumar246> April suits the best time
15:27:01 <rbowen> April works for me.
15:27:11 <dmsimard> Maybe something in April ? I dunno. It could give us enough time to draft topic ideas to encourage people to submit talk proposals
15:27:22 <rbowen> Ok, we'll start a thread and a call for papers and try to pick a date.
15:27:33 <dmsimard> And then the format can be on hangouts/youtube live or something like that
15:27:48 <number80> if possible, we should also have some virtual classrooms
15:27:56 <chkumar246> What about using irc for talk deliverables?
15:27:57 <rbowen> What does that mean?
15:27:58 <number80> either using trystack or rdo cloud
15:28:08 <chkumar246> Virtual conference on irc
15:28:16 <chkumar246> It might be crazy
15:28:19 <number80> rbowen: hands-on basically
15:28:20 <rbowen> number80: You mean some kind of hands-on thing?
15:28:23 <rbowen> Awesome.
15:28:23 <number80> yep
15:28:32 <dmsimard> number80: I'm not sure if a "workshop" kind is appropriate for a remote/virtual meetup
15:28:39 <dmsimard> s/appropriate/efficient/
15:29:06 <dmsimard> Considering we want to keep talks to like 30 minutes ?
15:29:08 <number80> dmsimard: well, it happens quite frequently in other community, we need to prepare vm by adavnce though
15:29:10 <rbowen> Efficient, perhaps not. I can imagine it being frustrating. But if it lets people schedule a day to do it, perhaps?
15:29:28 <rbowen> It's worth trying once, for sure.
15:30:13 <dmsimard> okay, let's see if we think of a format that works
15:30:25 <rbowen> Are we thinking an all day thing, half day?
15:30:43 * number80 has to get afk for few minutes
15:30:44 <dmsimard> I guess it depends on the amount of interest and proposals we get
15:30:47 <rbowen> 30 minute talks, so possibly 6-10 talks?
15:30:51 <rbowen> Yeah, good point.
15:31:03 <dmsimard> Let's see what kind of proposals we get and go from there
15:31:03 <rbowen> Ok, we'll take this to the list and see what kind of response we get.
15:31:16 <rbowen> It's like you're in my brain.
15:31:29 <dmsimard> :D
15:32:09 <dmsimard> Alright I think that covers the topic -- nothing else on the agenda, let's go to open floor while we have people's attention
15:32:11 <dmsimard> #topic open floor
15:32:31 <rbowen> DevConf this weekend. If you're there, please take some photos of the RDO table.
15:32:41 <rbowen> And blog about it. :)
15:32:44 <dmsimard> The Brno Devconf right ?
15:32:47 <rbowen> Yes.
15:32:52 <dmsimard> Cause there's this opendevconf thing now too T_T
15:33:01 <rbowen> emalikov is running the table there.
15:33:03 <rbowen> emalikov++
15:33:17 <dmsimard> nothing to worry about then :)
15:34:19 <dmsimard> I might as well take the time to point out that the Vancouver OpenStack summit call for papers is until February 8th: https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/call-for-presentations/
15:34:54 <rbowen> This year is already going too fast.
15:35:14 <dmsimard> There are ongoing discussions that the OpenDev Conf might be merged with the OpenStack Summit but it's not confirmed yet: http://www.opendevconf.com/
15:35:54 <dmsimard> When I asked if there was going to be "open source days" at the Vancouver summit, I got an ambiguous answer back so things are not yet set in stone
15:36:56 <dmsimard> Anything else ?
15:37:10 <dmsimard> #topic Chair for the next meeting
15:37:17 <dmsimard> Who wants to do this fantastic job next week ?
15:37:22 <jpena> I can take it
15:37:31 <dmsimard> #action jpena to chair next meeting
15:37:45 <dmsimard> I'm giving you all 22 minutes of your life back, go and be productive !
15:37:49 <dmsimard> #endmeeting