14:02:50 <ykarel> #startmeeting RDO meeting - 2020-07-08 14:02:51 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Jul 8 14:02:50 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ykarel. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:02:52 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:02:54 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'rdo_meeting___2020_07_08' 14:03:20 <ykarel> Add last minute topics to agenda https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/RDO-Meeting 14:03:25 <ykarel> #topic roll call 14:03:31 <amoralej> o/ 14:03:34 <spotz> o/ 14:04:19 <jcapitao> o/ 14:05:49 <ykarel> #chair amoralej spotz jcapitao 14:05:50 <openstack> Current chairs: amoralej jcapitao spotz ykarel 14:06:16 <ykarel> Ok let's start with topics 14:06:19 <ykarel> #topic Upcoming events 14:06:24 <ykarel> amoralej spotz ^^ 14:07:51 <spotz> I looked into the hopin.to platform as a possibility for our future events. OpenShift COmmons is actually going to use it later this month so we can get an idea how it would work for us for the test days/hackfest 14:09:12 <spotz> We should make a decision on whether we want to stay with a Test Days this time around or changeover to more of a hackfest so we can start planning and then advertising 14:10:21 <amoralej> i'm in favor of investing the time in planning and organizing hackfest 14:10:58 <amoralej> if we can stay with test days with minimal effort 14:11:02 <amoralej> no problem from my side 14:11:06 <spotz> I know it's just usually the 4 of us in meetings, but maybe send something to the lists and see if we can't get a committee? 14:11:50 <spotz> I haven't done a test days so not sure what's involved there. Hackfest we could have a few use-cases to test and hack on, or pick some areas and potential bugs to work on 14:12:35 <amoralej> wrt test days 14:12:52 <amoralej> it's mainly give links for installation docs 14:13:09 <amoralej> and a etherpad to report who has been testing and what they found 14:13:21 <amoralej> and some advertising on ML and maybe twitter account 14:13:26 <spotz> Ahh so I've been doing the test days on my own:) 14:14:13 <spotz> So not that far off from a use-case type of hackfest, we'd just be adding an interactive part to it perhaps by having a platform to unify people in a 'room' 14:14:37 <amoralej> usually, point of contact is #rdo 14:14:46 <jcapitao> +1 for the hackfest (if there is enough attendees) 14:15:41 <spotz> Ok so do we want to stick with IRC or make it visual with hopin.to? 14:15:54 <ykarel> +1 for hackfest 14:16:11 <amoralej> you mean for *this* test days? 14:16:46 <amoralej> sorry, i thought we were thinking in hackfest later 14:16:48 <amoralej> i got lost 14:16:58 <spotz> Yeah. So we have to questions do Test Day or Hackfest for RC1 14:17:23 <amoralej> ah 14:17:31 <amoralej> i was thinking the question was more 14:17:33 <spotz> And second do we want to move to a more formal platform like hopin.to 14:18:04 <amoralej> for hackfest on rc1, hopin.to 14:18:43 <spotz> Yep, and it's ok if we stick with what we know now and then move things for the next one 14:19:01 <spotz> Or even move back if we don't like the results 14:20:42 <spotz> To be honest it seems like the Test Days is similar to a Use Case hackfest, we could rename to hackfest and still do that plus have a list of bugs for people to work on as well 14:21:38 <amoralej> for me, test days is differnt 14:21:51 <amoralej> to hackfest, at least in my mind :) 14:22:00 <amoralej> but i may be wrong 14:22:10 <amoralej> test days is something more like 14:22:13 <spotz> I do test days any time I run through docs apparently so I'm a bad judge:) 14:23:01 <amoralej> "test deployment using docs by yourself and let us know if you find some issue. We'll be on irc if you need help" 14:23:09 <amoralej> those are test days 14:23:23 <amoralej> hackfest i understood we'd do something more guided 14:23:40 <amoralej> and with much more clear use cases 14:23:47 <spotz> That was actually how they just internally did the hackfests with provided use-cases 14:24:16 <amoralej> focus is no in testing as much as in helping people to do their first deployments 14:24:28 <spotz> For test days? 14:24:29 <amoralej> or deployment with some specific feature or configuration 14:24:33 <amoralej> hackfest 14:24:49 <spotz> Ok 14:25:25 <amoralej> I'm not sure if I'm explaining clear or messing it up :) 14:25:28 <spotz> Your Test days are a hackfest type to me and your hackfest is a workshop to me:) 14:25:37 <amoralej> :) 14:25:47 <amoralej> oook 14:25:51 <amoralej> names are important 14:26:05 <amoralej> let's agree on names for events 14:26:08 <spotz> Yep and it's worth the time spent to get everyone using the same words 14:26:13 <amoralej> yep 14:26:31 <spotz> ykarel and jcapitao - what words do you use?:) 14:27:47 <spotz> And while we wait I'll type something on doc days 14:27:48 <ykarel> For me it's like: Test Day which we used to do till now, follow docs and report/fix issues 14:28:30 <ykarel> workshop is guided deployments with some use cases 14:28:55 <ykarel> hackfest can be mixed of both 14:29:17 <ykarel> where we help live on issues 14:29:21 <spotz> I think after emailing with rbowen we should go ahead and email the lists and see what we get back. I may be able to tie it into Grace Hopper but may not be able to 14:29:58 <spotz> ykarel: And I think either way we should be there to help 14:30:20 <ykarel> yes right 14:31:25 <spotz> I'm hoping at least the basic upstream install docs for a keystone,glance,nova,neutron cluster will be fixed shortly 14:31:38 <jcapitao> tbh i have no strong opinion (as i haven't participated in test days yet), but imho hackfest includes "test days" as a chapter 14:32:29 <spotz> Maybe something we could do is do a how to install workshop before the hackfest which yeah would include test day runs through the docs? 14:33:00 <amoralej> sounds good 14:33:30 <spotz> Ok I'll try to put something together, then get buyin on details from the group before we send to the lists? 14:33:31 <ykarel> +1 14:33:47 <amoralej> +1 14:34:10 <jcapitao> +1 14:34:21 <spotz> I can atleast help install issues in the workshop if folks are on vacation:) 14:34:48 <spotz> And with the thought once I'm done with my install tests the docs should be pretty solid for a basic cluster 14:35:34 <spotz> #action spotz mail lists about doc holes 14:35:59 <spotz> @action spotz make a basic plan for workshop and hackfest to share with the group next week 14:36:28 <spotz> #action spotz make a basic plan for workshop and hackfest to share with the group next week 14:38:03 <spotz> Anything else on this? 14:38:35 <ykarel> nothing from me 14:39:24 <amoralej> nothing from my side 14:39:47 <jcapitao> ok for me 14:40:17 <spotz> next topic then:) 14:40:18 <ykarel> spotz, so next topic streaming and OpenShift COmmons AMA (7/27) seems covered already 14:40:48 <ykarel> or something more to discuss on that 14:40:53 <spotz> Well we're looking for volunteers to be on OpenStack and RDO related streams:) 14:41:05 <ykarel> #topic streaming and OpenShift COmmons AMA (7/27) 14:41:20 <ykarel> okk all yours ^ 14:41:54 <spotz> We'll be part of OpenShift COmmons and there's the ADA scheduled for 7/27 with once we can get our own cadence have our own streaming slot for OpenStack/RDO 14:42:34 <spotz> SO if anyone is interested in getting involved and being on streams just let me know even if 7/27 doesn't work in your schedule 14:42:41 <spotz> ADA=AMA 14:43:18 <spotz> So tell your friends and we'll start to put together a list of people and topics 14:43:20 <amoralej> spotz, but that AMA is specific for openstack? 14:43:27 <spotz> amoralej: Yep 14:43:35 <amoralej> oh, nice 14:43:54 <amoralej> did you start recruiting already? 14:44:32 <spotz> And in the Commons streams we can be a little more community related like how to get your first patch. Where some of the other slots are generally more technical. I think we'll want a mix of community and technical eventually 14:44:49 <amoralej> i'd like to participate from the rdo side 14:44:50 <spotz> amoralej: I mentioned it this morning during the OpenStack Program meeting but that's it 14:45:05 <amoralej> it may be good to involve someone from tripleo i.e. 14:46:00 <spotz> My only concern is the OpenShift COmmons streams start in 1 hour and are an hour generally. Is that too late for you? Once we get our own show we'll be able to go with something earlier 14:46:52 <spotz> I can reach out to Wes for tripleo. And we can always have different people for different topics 14:47:05 <amoralej> i think i can join on 27 at that time 14:47:38 <amoralej> also someone more familiar with openshift on openstack 14:47:46 <amoralej> as i foresee questions about the topic 14:47:52 <spotz> I'll let Diane know 14:48:32 <spotz> Yeah thats definitely a hot topic, I know August can do that but it's definitely something I need to pick up as well as openstack and ceph 14:50:06 <spotz> ANy other thoughts on this besides? 14:50:22 <spotz> spreading the word:) 14:52:51 <spotz> #topic review needed 14:53:03 <spotz> #link https://review.rdoproject.org/r/#/c/28218/ 14:53:26 <spotz> That will fix an install issue with placement so folks won't need to hack it in themselves:) 14:53:41 <ykarel> spotz, is there any bug for it with some more details 14:53:53 <ykarel> like what step failed exactly, in which scenario etc 14:54:32 <spotz> Hrm we discussed it in channel, I don't think I bothered to bug it as I was patching it 14:54:58 <spotz> But when you get to the verification stage in the docs you error out 14:56:08 <ykarel> okk will check channel logs then later 14:56:24 <spotz> https://docs.openstack.org/placement/latest/install/verify.html is the page with the instructions 14:56:50 <spotz> fails on openstack --os-placement-api-version 1.2 resource class list --sort-column name and the next command 14:57:00 <ykarel> ack 14:57:22 <spotz> I still need to patch that page to use the rpm for python3-osc-placement 14:58:28 <spotz> And that isn't an RDO specific page FYI 14:58:49 <ykarel> ack 14:59:10 <ykarel> ok let's move to next 14:59:14 <ykarel> #topic Next Week's chair 14:59:19 <ykarel> any volunteer? 14:59:24 <amoralej> i can take it 14:59:49 <ykarel> Thanks amoralej 14:59:55 <ykarel> #action amoralej to chair next week 15:00:01 <ykarel> #topic Open Floor 15:00:14 <ykarel> so we are already out of time 15:00:22 <ykarel> so let's close 15:00:31 <ykarel> Thanks all 15:00:33 * spotz will be quieter next week?:) 15:00:34 <ykarel> #endmeeting