19:04:23 <davidlenwell> #startmeeting refstack 19:04:24 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Sep 22 19:04:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidlenwell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:04:25 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:04:27 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' 19:04:35 <davidlenwell> roll call ? 19:04:49 <catherine_d> here 19:05:08 <sslypushenko__> + 19:06:36 <davidlenwell> Okay.. looks like its just us chickens ;) 19:06:39 <pvaneck> o/ 19:06:59 <davidlenwell> So lets dive right in.. 19:07:05 <davidlenwell> First.. 19:07:26 <catherine_d> <davidlenwell> do you have any way to contact Rob? 19:07:42 <davidlenwell> this is a hard meeting for him to make 19:08:41 <davidlenwell> So the first thing I want to talk about is the fact that we have a new core reviewer! 19:08:45 <davidlenwell> Congrats to catherine_d 19:08:57 <zehicle_at_home> o/ 19:08:59 <catherine_d> Thank you!!! 19:09:05 <davidlenwell> there he is ! 19:09:07 <zehicle_at_home> +1 19:09:11 <rockyg> o/ 19:09:21 <rockyg> Congratz Catherine_d 19:09:22 <davidlenwell> the gang is all here! 19:09:37 <catherine_d> Thanks! 19:09:52 <davidlenwell> So lasat week catherine_d, rockyg and my self.. sat down at oenstack sv 19:10:15 <davidlenwell> the primary item on our list was dealing with uuids for tests 19:11:32 <davidlenwell> we agreed that we would use a portion of todays meeting to toss out ideas for getting around this issue. 19:11:50 <davidlenwell> and that we'd then spend the next few weeks exploring those options 19:12:42 <zehicle_at_home> should we start with Julia's list 19:12:42 <juliashapovalova> o/ 19:13:15 <catherine_d> whatever options we choose we need to sync the version of tempest that we used to create the list and using the same version to test ... 19:13:56 <juliashapovalova> it should not be a big problem 19:14:15 <juliashapovalova> generally Tempest is enhanced with new tests 19:14:15 <catherine_d> 2 options are being considered: 1) Using a specific SHA 2) Git Labels at a specific time/state 19:14:37 <juliashapovalova> old obes are reorganazed rarely 19:14:39 <davidlenwell> I don't think git labels is even worth discussing 19:14:59 <davidlenwell> juliashapovalova: that isn't exactly accurate 19:15:19 <davidlenwell> maybe lately they've just been reorginizeing .. but they have been moving things around 19:15:21 <zehicle_at_home> I'd like to consider the the ID being Date based. 19:15:29 <zehicle_at_home> so, they'd be 20140922AA 19:15:35 <juliashapovalova> yeah, i know// 19:15:56 <zehicle_at_home> we'd start from 20140000000 for the existing body of tests 19:16:16 <davidlenwell> lets start an etherpad and list these ideas 19:16:26 <catherine_d> +1 19:16:28 <davidlenwell> we can use that doc to define the ideas over the next week.. then we'll vote 19:16:30 <zehicle_at_home> +1 19:16:32 <rockyg> I'm trying to find the link to the etherpad.... 19:16:43 <davidlenwell> rockyg: im not sure we made one yet for this 19:16:45 <davidlenwell> did we? 19:17:12 <rockyg> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Refstack-TestID-Approaches 19:17:40 <rockyg> needs lots of fleshing out... 19:17:50 <davidlenwell> okay .. so lets use this pad over the next week.. we'll discuss again in detail next monday. 19:20:17 <zehicle_at_home> do we also need to discuss the way we track them? or was the suggestion to have an xref file ok? 19:20:56 <davidlenwell> each method will have different problems in that regard .. bullets should be added under each 19:21:06 <davidlenwell> then we can argue about it and come up with the right solution 19:21:57 <zehicle_at_home> can we talk about priorities for the selection? 19:22:08 <davidlenwell> can you elaborate on that? 19:22:14 <zehicle_at_home> like human readable and able to be used on tempest metadata 19:22:33 <davidlenwell> I think the etherpad should open with a description of the problem and what we need o that its very clear 19:23:11 <zehicle_at_home> ok 19:23:14 <rockyg> yeah. list of requirements 19:23:28 <davidlenwell> you can't propose solutions to a problem that isn't clearly spelled out 19:23:35 <davidlenwell> so we'll start with that and move out 19:26:18 <juliashapovalova> so do we stick on the xref file for uuid<->full_test_name pairs? 19:28:42 <zehicle_at_home> juliashapovalova, I think that's the best plan 19:28:57 <zehicle_at_home> I have a pull for that already 19:30:02 <davidlenwell> we aren't sticking to anything until we've discussed the options 19:30:12 <davidlenwell> sorry guys my dsl has been flakey today 19:30:43 <catherine_d> so we should be active in describing the options in the ehterpad for next week's discussion ... 19:31:30 <davidlenwell> yes .. everyone should jump in 19:31:52 <catherine_d> should we move to the next discussion item --> refstack-client for RH and CentOS 19:32:23 <zehicle_at_home> I may not be able to make meeting next week 19:33:35 <davidlenwell> yes 19:34:07 <davidlenwell> So catherine_d and I were discussing this last week and we both agreed that if we get back to making tcup working and a thing that we don't need to worry about adding support for all the os's in the client 19:34:24 <zehicle_at_home> +1 19:34:35 <davidlenwell> not that we don't want redhat support .. but we also need to pick our battles .. and the docker thing gives us two birds with one stone. 19:35:04 <davidlenwell> zehicle_at_home: Do you think this would be good work for sslypushenko__? 19:35:36 <zehicle_at_home> I can ask him tomorrow, possibly 19:35:56 <sslypushenko__> I'm here) 19:36:00 <davidlenwell> he's here now 19:36:13 <davidlenwell> sslypushenko__: what do you think? 19:36:41 <sslypushenko__> using docker - it is a good idea 19:37:02 <davidlenwell> Do you think you are up to doing the work? 19:38:12 <sslypushenko__> Maybe I will need a details 19:38:25 <sslypushenko__> But I can make it 19:38:35 <davidlenwell> zehicle_at_home: is the brain trust on this effort so I'll let him guide you on it 19:39:28 <zehicle_at_home> we can try and get d_qoi on it too 19:39:47 <zehicle_at_home> we can scope out the work and see about it. I agree on the benefits 19:39:59 <rockyg> That's what I was thinking. I gotta work on getting salary turned back on for him this week. 19:40:01 <zehicle_at_home> do we want it to work like before, or will it be more interactive? 19:40:08 <zehicle_at_home> I'm thinking interactive env 19:40:24 <zehicle_at_home> rockyg, he will be delighted to work on it. he has some time 19:40:49 <rockyg> Yeah, but better if he gets paid;-) 19:40:57 <davidlenwell> I think we want it to work both ways 19:41:07 <davidlenwell> silent running and interactive 19:41:29 <zehicle_at_home> let's do interactive first 19:41:29 <rockyg> ++ 19:42:21 <davidlenwell> yep 19:42:26 <davidlenwell> okay thats agreed 19:42:35 <davidlenwell> anyone have anything else to discuss? 19:43:02 <zehicle_at_home> board meeting update.... 19:43:43 <zehicle_at_home> basically not much to report. Board backed away from DefCore recommendations. We're going to be spinning on multiple trademarks instead of a single Core mark 19:44:42 <zehicle_at_home> so, it's not certain if OpenStack will be a single thing for commercial or a lot of projects. Right now, it's looking like the later 19:45:11 <davidlenwell> cool 19:45:17 <davidlenwell> I actually think that is better 19:45:18 <zehicle_at_home> that does NOT change Refstack - we still need the data to make decisions 19:45:23 <davidlenwell> yep 19:45:29 <catherine_d> does Board still support DefCore, Refstack ...as the tools for trademark 19:45:35 <davidlenwell> I was just typing that i do not think it effects our mission 19:45:35 <catherine_d> got it 19:45:48 <zehicle_at_home> catherine_d, yes. very much 19:46:24 <zehicle_at_home> davidlenwell, I think that's easier for the TC but commecially setting us back 19:46:30 <rockyg> From conversations at OpenStack SV, there is much interest in Refstack for validating interoperability on existing installs. 19:46:47 <davidlenwell> zehicle_at_home: I'd recomend reading montys recent blog post on the subject 19:46:48 <rockyg> And new installs 19:46:51 <catherine_d> In IBM we have 3 different products to start collecting data ... 19:46:59 <davidlenwell> rockyg: indeed 19:47:11 <zehicle_at_home> davidlenwell, will do 19:47:46 <davidlenwell> anything else? 19:47:55 <catherine_d> do we target to have some data for Paris ? 19:48:04 <rockyg> Also, if we can get operators to test against full test sets, we can get aggregate data for future releases 19:48:24 <rockyg> If they test against full tempest and submit, we can see what is being run. 19:49:05 <catherine_d> rockyg: +1 ... so will Huawei test with refstack-client? 19:49:14 <rockyg> That's an important option fro Refstack. Test group selection by config file, uuids, whatever. 19:49:49 <rockyg> catherine_d I need to talk to our guys and one is currently travelling to China, but with you volunteering tech support, I think so. 19:50:15 <zehicle_at_home> davidlenwell, link to Monty? 19:50:25 <davidlenwell> http://inaugust.com/post/108 19:50:45 <davidlenwell> This is also a good read .. http://blog.leafe.com/simplifying-openstack/ 19:50:56 <davidlenwell> both refer to this .. https://dague.net/2014/08/26/openstack-as-layers/ 19:51:46 <davidlenwell> read all three of those and you'll have a pretty good idea of how the tc is thinking about things 19:54:40 <davidlenwell> okay .. if nobody has any other topics to discuss I am going to kill it .. as always feel free to jump in #refstack if you need further discussion on something. 19:54:44 <davidlenwell> #endmeeting