15:01:37 #startmeeting releaseteam 15:01:38 Meeting started Fri Apr 7 15:01:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:39 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:01:41 The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' 15:01:58 Ping list: dims, tonyb, stevemar 15:02:26 #topic Pike-1 actions 15:02:52 The only remaining Pike-1-targeted incomplete item would be https://review.openstack.org/448173 15:02:57 waiting for dims to review it 15:03:14 Anything else we should be completing before Pike-1 next week ? 15:03:46 I think that's it in terms of our todo list 15:04:38 #action dims to review https://review.openstack.org/448173 so we can close our P1 list 15:04:49 #topic Bottleneck in stable reviews 15:04:53 was there a countdown email this week? I'm behind 15:05:03 there was, saw it this morning 15:05:11 ok, cool, I just haven't read it yet then 15:05:13 It feels like the bottleneck in getting stable-policy--compliant releases is not getting a lot better 15:05:39 was wondering if we should not do the assessment by ourselves if after a given period of time the stable team didn't review it 15:05:43 I agree :-/ 15:05:53 even if that means doing a cursory look 15:06:02 long-term we need to grow replacements there 15:06:09 yeah, I tend to look at the commit descriptions anyway 15:06:18 even if that kind of contribution is not in fashion 15:06:46 the end result is release management backfilling stable branch maintenance rather than the other way around like we'd hoped 15:06:50 I've noticed some +1 votes from folks I don't recognize 15:06:58 fungi : yeah 15:07:37 I've been sitting on the idea of a "TC says it would be great if you contributed there" list 15:07:43 although now I can't find an example 15:08:00 which Anni @ Huawei said would do a lot to drive APAC contributors to valuable strategic contributions 15:08:02 maybe we can replace all of stackalytics with a counter for number of stable reviews 15:08:11 heh 15:08:27 ttx: is that something we'd add to governance.o.o/tc? 15:08:33 or somewhere else? 15:08:52 the hit list/bounty hunt idea 15:09:08 right 15:09:54 "1. grow stable-maint-core reviewers by 3" or something like that 15:09:55 dhellmann: TC-level to give it some "official" weight, which carries a lot of importance in those culture 15:09:57 s 15:10:15 yeah, having the tc maintain the list is a good idea. I'm wondering how to publish it. 15:10:24 is this for stable maintenance across projects, or project specific stable maintenance? 15:10:39 lbragstad : stable releases specifically 15:10:49 lbragstad: sore spot right now is timely review of stable point release requests 15:10:59 lbragstad : we need people to help ensure that new stable releases follow policy 15:11:03 dhellmann fungi aha 15:11:17 thanks 15:11:33 interested? ;) 15:12:00 i actually have a hard time getting folks to review stable patches in keystone ;) 15:12:08 * fungi works on his hard sell tactics 15:12:19 anyway, how about we self-review them in they last more than a week ? 15:12:21 luckily dolphm and stevemar do a pretty good job of staying available 15:12:36 ttx: ++ 15:12:45 while we wait for a more permanent fix 15:12:48 ttx: 2 +2s for those? 15:12:54 otherwise it's punishing whoever follows policy 15:12:58 dhellmann: sure 15:13:10 o/ (sorry was writing up candidacy for something called the TC :) 15:13:12 cool. I've already +2 several 15:13:20 dims: who does those things on a Friday 15:13:39 dims : you have until sunday for that! 15:13:53 #agreed release management team will review stable releases directly if the stable team doesn't pick them up after a week. 2 +2s needed for approval 15:14:05 2 soccer games, 1 ice cream social - full deck for weekend :) 15:14:19 #info Whenever the TC comes up with a "Strategic contributions wanted" list, make sure to include stable team in it 15:14:57 ++ ttx 15:15:09 my weekend: friends stopping by for lunch, table tennis game, wine fair and someone's birthday party 15:15:27 nice! 15:15:52 * dhellmann will be going to the farmer's market, then maybe shoe shopping. #excitement 15:16:04 #topic Open discussion 15:16:09 Ok, anything else ? 15:16:32 would i be able to get added to the ping list for this meeting? 15:16:43 or is that something i can go and do? 15:16:44 I'm interested in input on this reno review: https://review.openstack.org/448066 15:16:55 I'm not opposed, just not sure it's a good idea. 15:17:06 lbragstad : ttx should probably add you to his notes 15:17:22 dhellmann ttx cool - thank you 15:17:41 lbragstad: want to be on the ping list ? 15:17:46 ok done 15:17:49 ttx yes please 15:18:11 dhellmann: it's actually maintained directly on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-relmgt-tracking :) 15:18:35 oh, right 15:18:38 dhellmann : does it cover how to deal with release notes for older releases? 15:19:03 dims that's a good question 15:19:05 dims : I think the idea is just that some projects wanting to adopt reno don't want the subdirectory 15:19:35 right dhellmann 15:19:41 so I don't think we have a migration issue 15:20:49 dhellmann : i mean once you switch to this new style repos. there should be identical branches in that new repo 15:22:09 I think in this case there is no "switching" -- the project that wants to use reno like this doesn't already have reno deployed? 15:22:27 maybe I'm not understanding what you mean, though 15:23:33 say a project starts doing that then say down the pike we have a stable/teapot branch in the project repo and reno repo, will that scenario work with the code in that review 15:24:29 will ask on the review after i peek dhellmann 15:24:40 ok, anything else ? 15:24:48 yeah, this is just about moving the contents of releasenotes/notes into releasenotes/ so it doesn't affect branches 15:25:07 that's it from me 15:25:27 gotcha thanks 15:28:30 alright then 15:28:32 #endmeeting