15:00:09 #startmeeting releaseteam 15:00:10 Meeting started Fri Sep 29 15:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00:14 The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' 15:00:19 Ping list: dhellmann, dims, fungi, tonyb, lbragstad, ttx 15:00:27 o/ 15:00:44 Morning lbragstad. 15:00:55 lbragstad: Any snow up there yet? :D 15:01:02 smcginnis: not yet! 15:01:17 ohai 15:01:48 Settled back home ttx? 15:02:20 yes yes 15:02:23 i'm here, but not here 15:02:46 fungi: You've got more important things to focus on at the moment, I'm sure. 15:02:53 o/ 15:03:11 Hey dims. OK, at least a few of us here. Guess I can get going. 15:03:22 Meeting agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-relmgt-tracking 15:03:30 We're at R-22. 15:03:46 #topic Fixing ACLs 15:04:00 ttx: I see it as a task. Want to mention anything here? 15:04:41 yes 15:05:04 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507924/1 TripleO stable:follows-policy tag removal 15:05:04 patch 507924 - governance - Remove stable:follows-policy tag from TripleO 15:05:17 The reason why we wanted to align groups and ACLs there was that they followed stable-policy 15:05:39 However there are signs that they might not want to align with stable-policy 15:05:52 OR that the tag doesn't mean much when applied to them 15:06:06 It does seem more applicable to service projects. 15:06:16 TripleO asked to drop it the tag, and I'm wondering if Kolla should not do the same really 15:06:45 As an aggregator for other functionality, deployments projects are not that good of a fit 15:07:02 Like look up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506944/1 15:07:03 patch 506944 - kolla (stable/pike) - Bump OpenStack service version (MERGED) 15:07:10 That's a Kolla stable patch 15:07:13 Doesn't look like inc0 is around. Would be good to raise that to him. 15:07:21 bumping stable versions for included projects 15:07:29 Some of those do not follow stable policy though 15:07:56 so what does stable-policy mean for Kolla ? That there will be no new feature in Kolla itself ? 15:08:08 I think it's not a great match basically 15:08:13 I agree. 15:08:31 And with the bucketing coming up I think it would be appropriate to use that bucketing to apply slightly different rules to stuff 15:08:40 For example, we have cycle-trailing 15:08:42 I think tonyb was going to try to have a discussion at the forum about how to handle these, IIRC. 15:08:52 from a governance perspective, maybe the stable team wants to define a deployment project policy and we can have a separate tag for that so they don't feel left out 15:08:58 It really only applies to lifecycle/deployments projects really 15:09:10 fungi: That's kind of how I'm leaning at this point. 15:09:40 right. Anyway, in the mean time, it might not be the best moment overall to change teams or ACLs 15:09:50 at least i recall kolla's push for adding the stable policy tag was so they could be seen as more like other openstack projects 15:10:06 yes 15:10:21 So I wanted to raise it in meeting to see what you thought about it 15:10:27 no immediate action really 15:10:36 more of a good excuse to stall on my action 15:10:49 Yeah, good to raise awareness on that. 15:11:07 I agree, not much point in worrying about ACLs until it's sorted. 15:11:46 #topic Current status 15:11:54 but since we'll define various buckets for openstack projects to fit in, we can certainly have slightly different rules for each. like allowing deployment projects to release after release 15:12:16 when it was all one big box it was harder to say that 15:12:16 Greater than the two week cycle-trailing. 15:12:47 anyway that's all I had 15:12:49 ttx: How's the bucketing going? Any updates since Denver? 15:13:19 we had some good feedback that i'd like to integrate. Couldn't sync with lsell this week due to travel 15:13:44 Cool. I like the direction it was going. I think that could be useful. 15:15:19 fungi: Want to say anything about zuulv3? Feel free to say no. :) 15:16:11 it's here 15:16:16 the future is now? 15:16:27 fungi: Will the world be unbroken any time soon. :] 15:16:47 it's getting incrementally unbroken, so i have hopes things will be mostly stable going into the weekend 15:17:16 Great. I'm sure the team would be happy if they can enjoy their weekend. 15:17:17 the hang in running jobs today was fallout from nodepool filling up its disk and freaking out zookeeper 15:17:32 Darn storage. 15:17:39 which resulted in an unhandled deadlock in zuul. patch is in the process of being merged now and zuul will be restarted shortly for that 15:18:06 i believe we're going to attempt to reenqueue everything zuul currently has in flight so hopefully rechecking won't be needed 15:18:30 but... we've not actually tried a mass reenqueue after restart with v3 yet, so fingers crossed 15:18:55 fungi: Cool, will be good to see things moving again. Thanks for the update. 15:19:13 Anyone else have anything to bring up? 15:19:20 also mordred is sending (has now sent?) an update to the -dev ml with a breakdown of teh current situation as far as job stability is concerned, with links to faqs in progress and tips/tricks 15:19:36 * lbragstad goes to find that note 15:19:45 Oh good. 15:20:18 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122886.html Update on Zuul v3 Migration - and what to do about issues 15:20:24 lbragstad: ^ 15:20:45 fungi: thanks! 15:21:33 OK, anything else for today's meeting? 15:22:11 nothing from me 15:22:18 nope 15:23:08 OK, guess that's it. Hopefully a little more going next week. Getting close to Q-1. 15:23:16 Thanks everyone. Have a good weekend. 15:23:32 #endmeeting