15:00:19 <smcginnis> #startmeeting releaseteam 15:00:20 <openstack> Meeting started Fri Feb 23 15:00:19 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:21 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00:24 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' 15:00:31 <smcginnis> Ping list: dhellmann, dims, fungi, tonyb, lbragstad, ttx, armstrong 15:00:41 <dhellmann> o/ 15:00:43 <fungi> that time again 15:00:45 <armstrong> Hello 15:00:54 <smcginnis> Howdy all 15:01:05 <lbragstad> o/ 15:01:20 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-relmgt-tracking Agenda 15:01:40 <smcginnis> Looks like we are way way down on line 518 15:02:07 <smcginnis> #topic Release Status 15:02:34 <smcginnis> There were a few stagglers this morning, but I processed the remaining RC patches. 15:02:43 <lbragstad> \o/ 15:02:48 <smcginnis> The dashboard looks pretty good right now. 15:03:01 <dhellmann> nice! 15:03:15 <smcginnis> And this was (knock on wood) a pretty smooth deadline overall I think. 15:03:15 <dhellmann> so we could put together the final release patch after the meeting and start piling up PTL and liaison +1 votes 15:03:39 <smcginnis> My plan was to do that and also include the release note links. 15:03:45 <dhellmann> ++ 15:04:00 <dhellmann> we could go ahead and do the release notes links as a separate patch and approve that one today 15:04:05 <smcginnis> I ran it earlier and there were several that have the page but do not have it included in the deliverable file. 15:04:21 <smcginnis> OK, that's a good idea. 15:04:37 <smcginnis> Especially as more people start seeking out those release notes. 15:05:01 <dhellmann> right 15:05:15 <smcginnis> So looking at the task list on line 514 copied from the PROCESS doc. 15:05:29 <dhellmann> at this point all of the projects should have notes of some sort, but we can update others later if any don't 15:05:31 <smcginnis> First one I will do right after the meeting to get the release notes out. 15:05:36 <smcginnis> ++ 15:06:01 <smcginnis> We did the list_unreleased_changes and I think we had contacted everyone that looked like they needed it. 15:06:10 <dhellmann> yeah, and we've done the final rcs now, right? 15:06:16 <smcginnis> And I'm pretty sure they all did another RC where needed. 15:06:21 <dhellmann> I mean at this point just based on timing I think we can say yes 15:06:22 <smcginnis> dhellmann: Yep, I think so. 15:06:43 <dhellmann> we can always do bug fix releases after we're back from dublin 15:06:48 <smcginnis> I will also run the propose-final-releases a little later to get that going. 15:07:16 <smcginnis> dhellmann: Did you verify with the docs team that things are all set for rocky? 15:08:23 <dhellmann> I verified by looking at the pages but didn't talk to pkovar 15:08:31 <dhellmann> let me see if he's online now 15:08:53 <smcginnis> The presense of the pages should be a good indication, right? 15:09:02 * smcginnis is not really sure what is all involved on the docs side. 15:09:15 <dhellmann> yeah 15:09:32 <dhellmann> #link https://docs.openstack.org/doc-contrib-guide/release/taskdetail.html#update-www-pages-for-end-of-release 15:09:59 <smcginnis> Awesome 15:10:03 <dhellmann> I've asked pkovar in #openstack-docs. If there's anything to do I'll let you know. 15:10:31 <dhellmann> ok, he confirms that everything is set 15:10:31 <smcginnis> OK, good. It appears we are OK, but if any steps still need to be done I would think it would be easy. I think we're in good shape. 15:10:41 <smcginnis> Great! 15:10:49 <smcginnis> #topic PTG plan 15:11:07 <smcginnis> Monday and Tuesday we have the help room. 15:11:33 <smcginnis> There are a few other things I need to attend to, so I was thinking I would just send out a notice that if anyone needed release team time during those days to just let us know. 15:11:43 <dhellmann> good idea 15:11:48 <smcginnis> I sat in the room for a while last time and just got one question. 15:12:00 <smcginnis> And that would have been easy enough to answer over IRC. 15:12:12 <smcginnis> But I definitely want to be available if anyone needs anything. 15:12:35 <dhellmann> one team, maybe docs?, suggested that folks schedule time 15:12:41 <dhellmann> maybe we can do something similar 15:12:53 <smcginnis> IIRC, they had an ethercalc. 15:13:02 <smcginnis> We could probably do that too. 15:13:11 <fungi> yep, the infra and qa teams are doing something similar 15:13:24 <dhellmann> a pattern we can copy! 15:13:25 <dhellmann> :-) 15:13:32 <fungi> https://ethercalc.openstack.org/cvro305izog2 15:13:33 <smcginnis> Or I was thinking keeping it easy and just use the ptgbot and the ptg channel to let folks know to just ping us. 15:13:44 <smcginnis> Any thoughts one way or the other? 15:13:45 <dhellmann> that works, too 15:14:00 <dhellmann> smcginnis : maybe have them ping release-team? 15:14:08 <dhellmann> I can add that to my watch list 15:14:11 <smcginnis> That works for me. 15:14:22 <fungi> the ethercalc is probably overkill unless you anticipate a lot of people trying to get your attention all at the same time 15:14:42 <smcginnis> Yeah, I don't, so I think it would be more effort than it's worth. ;) 15:14:52 <smcginnis> But willing to go that route if folks think it's better. 15:15:00 <fungi> for infra we already knew we had people lining up to schedule some time to talk 15:15:18 <fungi> so wanted to make sure they didn't all show up simultaneously 15:15:23 <smcginnis> Much more needs from infra than release team I would think. 15:15:27 <smcginnis> And more time consuming too. 15:16:00 <fungi> that's because the release documentation and automation are so good ;) 15:16:02 <smcginnis> I would really only expect questions like "what's this new repository-settings thing that broke my patch" kinds of questions. :-) 15:16:05 <dhellmann> we're going to answer all of the questions in the lunch presentation anyway, right? 15:16:13 <smcginnis> Right, good point. 15:16:25 <dhellmann> :-) 15:16:48 <smcginnis> Lunch presentation is Wed, right? 15:16:53 <smcginnis> blanking right now 15:16:57 <dhellmann> me, too 15:17:02 <dhellmann> I should make sure that's on my calendar 15:17:05 * smcginnis pulls up his schedule 15:17:23 <dhellmann> lunch is 12:30-1:30? 15:17:43 <smcginnis> Yep 15:17:55 <dhellmann> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dublin-PTG-postlunch has it thursday (at the bottom of the page) 15:18:00 <dhellmann> but I don't know if that's right 15:18:04 <dhellmann> I should look for ttx's email 15:18:17 <smcginnis> I don't think his specified, just said there would be presentations. 15:18:37 <smcginnis> Let's plan on Thursday but be ready Wednesday just in case. 15:18:38 <dhellmann> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-February/127316.html 15:18:39 <dhellmann> that has us thursday, too 15:18:55 <smcginnis> Oh, there it is. I tried looking but only found a different post. 15:19:04 <smcginnis> Perfect, that gives some time. 15:19:54 <smcginnis> Wednesday at some point we will just find a spot and process the final release. 15:20:06 <dhellmann> yeah 15:20:33 <dhellmann> the nova retrospective is wednesday morning and I'd like to try to go to that, so maybe ~9:30? 15:20:36 <smcginnis> Thursday is also the cycle-trailing RC deadline, but that should be pretty minor. 15:20:52 <smcginnis> dhellmann: I was planning to attend that as well. 15:21:09 <smcginnis> I've heard both 9-9:30 and 9-10, but we can circle up whenever it actually ends. 15:21:15 <dhellmann> yeah 15:21:26 <fungi> remember to give annabelleB a heads up when you settle on a time 15:21:46 <smcginnis> fungi: Oh, good point. I will email her today to let her know what we are thinking. 15:22:05 <fungi> also give me a heads up in case you need someone to reenqueue or troubleshoot anything on tight notice ;) 15:22:32 <fungi> i'll either camp out with you or at least pay close attention in irc 15:22:36 <smcginnis> fungi: Did you want to join us? Or just let you know when we are about to so you are at the ready? 15:22:41 <fungi> depending on what else is going on at that time 15:22:53 <smcginnis> OK, I will ping you ahead of time and you can decide. 15:23:34 <fungi> thanks. schedules seem to be a little fluid still, but i anticipate just being there for the process unless something else is pressing 15:23:59 <smcginnis> It is always hard to set concrete schedules for these weeks. 15:24:31 <smcginnis> Anything else for next week we should all be aware of? 15:24:59 <smcginnis> I was wondering if Tuesday evening might work to get everyone out and buy a round? 15:25:29 <fungi> i think the infra team is doing dinner that nught, but depending on timing it could work 15:25:36 <fungi> s/naught/night/ 15:25:44 <dhellmann> the mixer is tuesday, isn't it? 15:26:25 * fungi consults trusty ptg.o.o site 15:26:34 <smcginnis> Yep 15:26:39 <smcginnis> And the sing along. :) 15:26:52 * dhellmann did not put the sing along on his calendar 15:27:08 * smcginnis wants to see dhellmann singing 15:27:19 * dhellmann thinks smcginnis will end up waiting a long time 15:27:24 <smcginnis> :) 15:27:29 * lbragstad waits with smcginnis 15:27:53 <fungi> i was going to be a music major, but couldn't make it out of first year sight-signing 15:27:55 <smcginnis> Wednesday I am supposed to have a work dinner, but I can miss that or be late if that works. We can play it by ear next week. 15:28:09 <lbragstad> fungi i minored in music - that class was the death of me 15:28:12 <fungi> er, sight-singing 15:28:21 <fungi> sight signing would be something else entirely 15:28:41 * fungi curses finger memory 15:28:53 <dhellmann> looking at the schedule, I'm wondering what happened to "no formal scheduled evening events" 15:29:22 <smcginnis> I think there were a bunch of people saying they wanted a formal scheduled evening event. ;) 15:29:34 <smcginnis> Or semi-formal. 15:29:41 <dhellmann> maybe we can go out one afternoon and make snowmen in the park or something 15:30:04 <smcginnis> Supposed to be snow, so that's possible. 15:30:09 <dhellmann> right 15:30:11 <fungi> #release next drunken snowmen in the park 15:30:18 <smcginnis> Haha 15:30:35 * dhellmann adds "snowman" to the list of S names 15:30:48 <fungi> has to come with a photo 15:31:04 <smcginnis> Pics or it didn't happen. 15:31:09 <dhellmann> Schneemann is exactly 10 letters, so that works 15:31:11 <smcginnis> OK, anything else for today? 15:31:25 <smcginnis> I'm liking Stein. 15:31:36 <dhellmann> I don't have anything else 15:31:37 <fungi> i predicted that would be the winnar 15:31:57 <dhellmann> we have a pretty good track record of picking the least cool name on the list 15:32:03 <dhellmann> people need to campaign if they want stein :-) 15:32:14 <smcginnis> I've felt the same way too. 15:32:26 <smcginnis> Just think of the marketing swag. It's a no brainer. 15:32:28 <persia> It may be that some folk vote for non-cool in part because they are thinking about productisation. 15:32:40 <fungi> i'll add a unicode stein 15:32:45 <persia> Words that mean things are dangerous in that context. 15:32:53 <smcginnis> Bleh 15:32:54 <smcginnis> :) 15:32:58 * dhellmann wonders which words don't mean anything 15:33:21 <smcginnis> Alright, let's wrap up then and get back to it. Thanks everyone. 15:33:27 <dhellmann> o/ 15:33:29 <smcginnis> #endmeeting