15:00:37 #startmeeting releaseteam 15:00:38 Meeting started Fri Apr 6 15:00:37 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:39 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00:42 The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' 15:00:45 o/ 15:00:56 o/ 15:01:01 o/ 15:01:17 Ping dhellmann, dims, fungi, tonyb, lbragstad, ttx, armstrong, annabelleB 15:01:19 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-relmgt-tracking Agenda 15:01:29 Hello 15:01:31 ~line 77 15:01:59 My internet connection has been a bit flakey this morning, so just in case... 15:02:03 #chair dhellmann 15:02:04 Current chairs: dhellmann smcginnis 15:02:07 #chair ttx 15:02:08 Current chairs: dhellmann smcginnis ttx 15:02:11 o/ 15:02:16 o/ 15:02:42 #topic Review days 15:02:47 I just wanted to quick bring this up. 15:03:08 We had picked days in Queens, but we ran out of time in Dublin before we got around to that for Rocku. 15:03:11 y 15:03:59 I've been basically sticking to what it was, but reviewing more here and there. 15:04:05 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-relmgt-plan 15:04:08 I keep intending to review on Mondays, but someone keeps approving all of the requests before I get to them 15:04:14 * dhellmann looks pointedly at smcginnis 15:04:22 Hah! :) 15:04:27 smcginnis does indeed steal reviews 15:04:41 If Monday's work better for you, I can pick a different day. 15:04:45 probably a stackalytics thing 15:04:53 At the bottom of the plan etherpad is the list. 15:05:04 LOL, totally padding those stats. :D 15:05:13 hey, worked for me ;-) 15:05:26 I can take tuesday 15:05:44 dhellmann: Feel free to swap our names if that is better for you. 15:05:44 smcginnis: 10 more and you beat EmilienM 15:05:48 and I can pitch in on other days if you like 15:05:58 o/ 15:05:59 smcginnis : nah, it doesn't matter, I just didn't realize we'd changed up. 15:06:04 and here I thought nobody could beat AJaeger 15:06:06 what's up? 15:06:07 any day works fine for me 15:06:15 ttx: Ooh, now I'm really going to have to devote some review time. 15:06:34 EmilienM: you're just at the other end of a joke we run on smcginnis , sorry for the spurious notification 15:06:37 I think AJaeger is untouchable. ;) 15:06:59 when we create the award for "most reviews" we'll have to call it the Jaeger Meister award 15:06:59 EmilienM: if you don't want that, stop reviewing so much stuff 15:07:09 ttx: I just fix typos with a bash script 15:07:11 dhellmann: slow clap 15:07:12 dhellmann: haha 15:07:12 that's my job 15:07:19 dhellmann: ++! 15:07:32 the trick is we really don't want such an award 15:07:40 very true 15:07:45 Just like jaeger miester 15:07:46 rename readme.rst to README.rst can be very tricky 15:07:47 but I had to make the joke :-) 15:07:51 smcginnis : ha! 15:07:53 * EmilienM disappears 15:08:34 ttx: Are you able to have a designated review day, or should we fill in where we can? 15:08:57 to be fair, EmilienM AJaeger mwhahaha and smcginnis have consistently been #1-4 in total reviews 15:09:05 for like 4 cycles 15:09:49 Oh really. Now I need to take a look. 15:09:52 so it's probably not a random thing 15:10:09 3 cycles. In Ocata that damn stevemar made #4 15:10:32 that was a tangent, sorry 15:10:41 :) 15:10:44 friday afternoon, beer, etc 15:11:08 Hah! 15:11:11 so yes I'm up for keeping Wednesdays 15:11:22 noted in the etherpad 15:11:28 Cool, thanks. 15:11:45 Thursday can just be whoever can get to them until we get another core I guess. :) 15:11:56 #topic Team availability around r-1 week 15:12:12 ttx: Is there an issue here? Holiday month concerns? 15:12:46 R-1 (Aug 20 - Aug 24) [ r-finalrc ] 15:12:53 R-0 (Aug 27 - Aug 31) [ r-release, r-trailing-rc ] 15:12:55 no, rocky-1 15:12:59 we are both away 15:13:08 2 weeks from now the first milestone 15:13:09 wanted to flag to dhellmann 15:13:15 Oh, milestone 1. 15:13:16 yeah, thanks for the heads-up 15:13:24 I can try to make sure I'm around 15:13:29 smcginnis: I'll be in Florence. What's YOUR excuse ? 15:13:39 Also, I blame flaper87 15:13:59 Always a safe bet 15:14:18 Oh, chaperoning a group of high school students in Chicago. I may need a good excuse to sit quietly in a corner with my laptop, so probably not an issue. 15:14:42 And I'm just out Thursday/Friday, so hopefully most of the fun is over by then. 15:14:44 ok so we should have critical mass around 15:15:06 Yep, I do plan on at least checking in as I can. 15:15:25 First milestone is usually pretty tame anyway I think. 15:15:41 Well, except when your entire infrastructure changes out and breaks things. :) 15:16:16 yes, let's try not doing that this cycle 15:16:17 :D 15:16:34 * smcginnis crosses fingers 15:16:38 I heard zuul v4 is gonna be great 15:16:38 #topic Progress converting RelMgt rocky plan into a StoryBoard board 15:16:44 evrardjp: Hah! 15:16:48 where did we come down on tagging for the milestone if projects don't? 15:17:16 I don't think we pushed it until later last cycle. 15:17:21 i think we said we'd force it 15:17:25 ah hm 15:17:28 Maybe we should catch those right away this time around and press the issue. 15:17:29 well no then 15:17:59 isn't there a risk if we do it automatically that nobody will care and nobody will request releases anymore ? 15:18:05 #topic Tagging for missing projects 15:18:15 evrardjp: Yeah, I do think that is a concern. 15:18:23 We ideally want everything driven by the projects. 15:18:36 right, that's why we haven't done it before 15:18:41 With the release team just here to help. 15:18:42 however, some teams keep missing the early ones 15:19:00 dhellmann: do we know why? 15:19:11 mostly they seem to forget 15:19:56 it feels like it's correlated with a PTL's first term, but I haven't run numbers 15:19:58 I will try to highlight the issue in the next release countdown email, but I think the ones that miss the milestones are not the ones reading those. 15:20:04 right 15:20:19 I feel like we agreed what to do, I just don't remember 15:20:24 did we write it down in dublin? 15:20:39 Probably early the following week we should take inventory of who missed and try to reach out to those PTLs directly. 15:20:54 smcginnis: manual ping to remember to read this email? 15:20:56 * smcginnis scans rocky-relmgt-plan 15:21:01 asking ack 15:21:03 line 70 of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-relmgt-plan 15:21:31 evrardjp: I was thinking "hey, you missed the deadline. THis is important. Please let us know your situation." kind of thing. 15:22:07 So a TODO for me. 15:22:17 Wish we would have expanded on those notes a little more. 15:22:24 did we announce that? 15:22:25 But I will start with that info in the countdown. 15:22:26 the change 15:22:35 Not really. :/ 15:22:50 I probably should have started bringing it up in this last countdown. 15:23:13 I'll see if I can draft a separate email specifically for this. 15:23:26 #action smcginnis to post to ML about missing milestone plan 15:23:54 Anything more we should discuss on that for now? 15:24:10 I don't see anything in the feb or mar archives 15:24:16 unless it was in a countdown email 15:24:25 dhellmann: What kind of thing? 15:24:47 an announcement of the change 15:24:56 No, I did not send anything. 15:25:08 But I will plan to now. 15:25:11 sounds good 15:25:31 #topic Progress converting RelMgt rocky plan into a StoryBoard board 15:25:40 Speaking of things I should have done by now... 15:25:56 I have not put anything into storyboard from our rocky planning. 15:25:57 I thought we were each supposed to take our tasks? divide the work up? 15:26:00 I updated a number of things on the etherpad this morning and was wondering... 15:26:14 dhellmann: That would be ideal I think. 15:26:18 I'd be fine with that 15:26:27 Each take the tasks with our names by them and add it. 15:26:39 I think I already did mine 15:26:40 Anything not assigned, I can go back through and try to clean up. 15:26:47 dhellmann: Cool, thanks. 15:26:57 dhellmann: under openstack/releases ? 15:27:05 ttx: blaming me is always a safe bet! :D 15:27:07 ttx: yes 15:27:11 Also was wondering if we should build a common board 15:27:14 #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/932 15:27:18 sure, we could do that 15:27:21 I didn't go that far 15:27:36 like a "Rocky plan" board 15:27:46 I wasn't sure if we wanted to manage a worklist by hand or use tags to create a board that updates automatically 15:28:32 dhellmann, ttx: You two probably have more experience with that functionality in sb than I do. 15:28:56 I guess it depends on how many different items we have and how much we want to "track" the work 15:29:14 our list is usually not very long 15:29:23 I was thinking it was the only way to have a per-cycle plan there 15:29:44 and have HIGH TODO . TODO / InProgress / Backlog columns 15:29:57 ah, sure, if you want priority columns then a board is probably best 15:30:12 were you thinking we'd update it by hand? 15:30:22 move things around yes 15:30:28 oh, and I didn't import backlog items 15:30:49 at least I don't think I did; I guess I would have if it had my name on it 15:31:09 so I could set up a board, unless smcginnis wants to use it as a learning opportunity :-) 15:31:39 dhellmann: I probably do need to learn at some point, but if you can for now that would be appreciated. 15:31:44 ok 15:31:51 * dhellmann creates a story to create a board 15:32:12 :) 15:32:30 #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001793 15:32:50 #topic 15:32:53 feel free to edit/add comments there 15:32:59 #topic Remove leftover stable/queens pre-release ACL 15:33:09 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557733/ 15:33:17 oh that one was just to flag a standing review to fungi 15:33:42 OK, he mentioned he would be out during the meeting but back later. 15:33:51 So hopefully he sees this and takes a look. 15:33:58 Looks pretty straight forward. 15:35:15 ttx: Did we finalize the thread about changing ACLs during RC? 15:35:44 yes 15:35:54 I just need to clean up ACLs now 15:35:55 OK, good. 15:36:09 which is dependent on that TC resolution 15:36:49 #topic Open discussion 15:36:59 Anything else we should discuss in the meeting? 15:37:50 nothing from me 15:38:08 none 15:38:26 OK, we can get back to it then. Thanks everyone. 15:38:31 thx 15:38:38 bye! 15:38:46 #endmeeting