19:00:00 #startmeeting releaseteam 19:00:01 Meeting started Thu May 9 19:00:00 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:02 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:00:04 The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' 19:00:28 o/ 19:00:37 smcginnis, ttx, evrardjp, armstong: ping 19:00:53 o/ 19:00:53 oh and of course dhellmann ..... 19:01:14 o/ 19:01:44 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/train-relmgt-tracking 19:01:49 o/ 19:02:10 So I'll be up front, I'm not ready for this meeting I don't have the communicatiosn planned 19:02:37 but I think it's still worth looking at the queue and the tasks from the PTG 19:02:44 I lined up a couple topics 19:02:52 ttx: I see that thanks :) 19:03:28 also did a pass at organizing the stories on our PTg doc for easier consumption 19:03:28 So: Any remaining release issues 19:03:40 I did approve a bunch today and it worked 19:03:55 just wanted to make sure there was nothing left on everybody's minds 19:04:29 We need to decide what to do with the remaining pike-em changes 19:04:50 #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/releases+branch:master+topic:pike-em 19:04:52 ok adding to agenda 19:05:09 :) 19:05:48 So on first topic: no standing issue ? 19:06:04 ttx: none that I'm aware of, others? 19:06:30 Assuming that is a no 19:06:40 Nothing that I've seen. 19:06:46 and you can move to next topic :) 19:07:24 :) 19:07:31 #topic pike-em 19:07:51 Last time I took a pass through, they all had issues to resolve or were waiting on updates from the teams. 19:08:28 smcginnis: Yup, at this point I wonder if we shoudln't just cut our losses and tage pike-em with what's there 19:08:57 https://review.opendev.org/#/c/652842/ looks approvable 19:08:58 there are a few (like glance) that don't have a -1 so we could just merge them 19:09:14 ttx: snap ;P 19:09:53 Are the others blocked on a class of issues, or are they all subtle 19:10:08 I can try to go ping some of those PTLs/release liaisons by next meeting if we want to try that? 19:10:27 Heat could probably go ahead since there was no response to my question after a couple weeks. 19:10:39 diablo_rojo: That'd be good if you have time 19:10:48 some have issues that are not in the repo 19:10:52 so we can clear glance amd heat but that leaves a bunch 19:10:57 Like https://review.opendev.org/#/c/652835/ 19:11:04 I imagine a lot of things got lost with the summit last week 19:11:25 There aren't so many that pass tests and are waiting on PTL action 19:11:27 Happy to go remind people about these and tell them what the plan is if we dont see action by next week 19:11:30 and to answer ttx's question I don't think things are subtle but they do need approvales from the teams 19:11:51 I bet they don't jump on reviews that have Check-1 19:11:52 there are several that wont merge because of readme issues 19:12:14 Agree that for those, some gentle reminder would help 19:12:15 If there are people in particular I can ping them instead of going after all of them if you all have a list. 19:12:16 ttx: true 19:12:48 just that you can't blindly gpo and ping everyone... rapier, not scattergun 19:12:59 so it's a bit time-intensive 19:13:17 tonyb: How about listing them all on an etherpad 19:13:23 with what blocks them 19:13:26 Honestly, we had a published date for the transition, so I'm leaning on just tagging last release and being done with it. 19:13:35 Because otherwise we all have to interpret the signs 19:13:42 which duplicates a lot of work 19:13:44 If they weren't tracking the need to release things, then I think they were already in "extended maintenance" mode. 19:13:47 Or unmaintained. 19:13:53 Some are waiting on PTLs, other are waiting on patch refresh, others etc 19:14:10 ttx:Sure I'll add that as tasks for this week, with an aim to moving them forward/pinging befoer the next meeting 19:14:18 smcginnis: isn't that what we are doing here ? 19:14:41 No, we're doing a final release for them, then tagging. 19:14:50 ah hm 19:14:54 ttx: We could skip the final realeas and just tag what's already there 19:15:05 I'm saying, they missed the deadline for a final release and should now be in EM. 19:15:29 smcginnis: half the requests are just pike-em requests and they still fail tests 19:15:45 Most of those are because they are on top of the final release patches. 19:15:47 but yes, I agree to skip the final release 19:15:53 smcginnis: got it 19:16:22 okay 19:16:26 So... maybe a ping on those patches, and then if no action we'll just do pike-em and be done 19:16:43 Thats kind of what I was thinking 19:16:53 okay cool. 19:17:00 One last chance since the summit took attention away from this. 19:17:01 We could post to the ML that if we don't have the final releases worked through by the affected teams by next Thursday, we will just go ahead with the -em tag. 19:17:18 That works too 19:17:47 diablo_rojo: wanna do that? 19:18:15 diablo_rojo: and tag the teams from 19:18:19 #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/releases+branch:master+topic:pike-em+NOT+message:create 19:18:25 ? 19:18:28 tonyb, sure put me down for that 19:18:54 \o/ 19:19:31 #action diablo_rojo to email the list as ask for some attention on ^^ those changes or we'll just tag them next Thursday 19:19:55 Oh jeeze now its all official as an action item 19:20:03 hehe 19:20:25 #topic Prioritize/Allocate tasks from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/relmgmt-train-ptg 19:20:34 OK so I organized that list a bit 19:20:46 (the stories/tasks list at the bottom) 19:21:03 Train process changes on one side, with milestone to do it before 19:21:14 And tools improvements/wishlists on the other site 19:21:15 side 19:21:44 We have 3 big things 19:21:51 (on the process changes side) 19:22:06 Do stable autoreleases around milestones, Introduce cycle-automatic for "other" things that should get one release by the end of the cycle 19:22:12 That's two actually 19:22:30 The others are smaller (Track release liaisons in deliverable files, cycle-highlights process improvements) 19:22:51 And arguably "Add email content to the Process document " is more of a continuous task, assigned to tonyb 19:23:18 diablo_rojo: I'm assuming you are documenting the cycle-highlights collection changes ? 19:24:18 I can take cycle-automatic, if someone takes stable autoreleases 19:24:19 I think we did that during the process doc changes? 19:24:26 at the PTG? 19:24:31 But I can double check. 19:24:46 diablo_rojo: maybe it's done already, please doublecheck that it is enough. Maybe an email to the list to communicate teh change 19:24:54 Can do 19:25:03 * diablo_rojo adds second email to todo list 19:25:15 I admit I don't have a link to the etherpad where we corrected the process docs 19:25:23 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/relmgmt-train-ptg 19:25:28 Anyone interested in documenting stable autoreleases around milestones? 19:25:36 tonyb: Sean did submit the diff 19:25:44 Ahh there it is my bad 19:26:08 Oh, that etherpad. Sorry, yeah, that's all squared away. 19:26:25 #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/657426/ 19:26:28 I think I heard evrardjp volunteer for the autoreleases. :) 19:26:29 there it is 19:27:01 * tonyb will review that befoer I leave the office 19:27:10 and anyone interested in documenting liaisons in deliverable files ? 19:27:20 (that should be an easy one) 19:27:44 I could probably do that too 19:27:49 if noone else wants it 19:27:55 We can also wait until the next meeting 19:28:01 since we are missing people 19:28:03 tonyb: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DEN-release-process is where we worked on the process doc 19:28:24 dhellmann: Thanks, it was linnked in the PTG etherpad I just missed it 19:28:36 Merged openstack/releases master: [glance] final releases for pike https://review.opendev.org/652842 19:28:53 Looking at the improvements section -- is that all wishlist, or is there any tool in there that has priority 19:28:53 dhellmann: and smcginnis has already published the change which is good 19:28:58 aha, yeah 19:30:38 Feel free to move things between sections 19:30:43 ttx: are you on https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/64 ? 19:30:52 I'm on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/relmgmt-train-ptg 19:31:27 That board is a bit outdated 19:31:37 ttx: okay 19:31:45 Bottom of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/relmgmt-train-ptg 19:31:47 yeah, we never fully adopted storyboard for tracking 19:31:58 Once assigned people can create the SB stories and we can populate a new board 19:31:58 we shoudl fix that 19:32:00 with just a few of us, the etherpad was more than sufficient 19:32:21 I think we got *most* things moved from tracking etherpads to SB, but just need to keep up with it. 19:32:36 Is there anything in the "Should do" section that you'd move to more or less priority 19:32:43 it probably needs pruning, but sure 19:33:07 I kinda feel like the couple of tools items (L92-L95) could be in Must do as we modified the process assuming they were available 19:33:16 ttx: those priorities look reasonable to me 19:33:42 hmm, yeah, if we have process changes that rely on tool changes, those are musts 19:34:23 Yup apart from that I think we're good 19:35:05 Just needs people signed up to do them 19:35:33 Maybe "Add a tool script for producing the list of intermediary deliverables that have not released (see step under "Between Milestone-1 and Milestone-2" for details)" is a must too if it's mentioned in process 19:36:14 ttx: Yeah probably 19:36:58 I will take that one if the absent people don't want it 19:37:20 ttx: thanks 19:37:24 I ant to give JP a chance to take $stuff :) 19:37:42 I don't think we need to assign Should/can do items 19:37:49 at least not right now 19:37:59 ttx: agreeed 19:39:25 +2 19:39:33 ok that is all I had on that topiuc 19:40:00 I added another thing .. that we shoudl have done at the PTG 19:40:03 I propose we rediscuss assignments next week if we have other team members show up 19:40:09 #topic release days review 19:40:20 ah yes 19:40:30 I'm happy keeping the Thursdays 19:40:50 Please look at the days you're on and let us know if you need to change 19:40:55 ttx: great 19:41:05 I'm not sure I'm going to be able to commit to a day, but it looks like we have someone to replace me on fridays 19:41:13 (we have 2 signed up for monday) 19:41:25 true 19:41:37 That was to have the stable and "normal" reviews, but I'm fine switching to Friday. 19:41:49 that was mostly because of stable but I can just take Monday if smcginnis is food with Friday? 19:41:50 That would be ideal 19:41:56 there haven't been a ton of friday reviews, so you could also leave that floating 19:41:59 cool 19:42:06 but yeah 19:42:07 That makes for early Monday and late Friday which is excellent for coverage 19:42:17 ++ 19:42:18 \o/ 19:42:27 follow-the-sun 19:42:48 like we planned it 19:42:56 :) 19:43:43 The lack of sun is following me. Cold and gray here like most of the time in Denver. :) 19:43:46 I'll get an etherpad for this weeks communication done today and drop it here for review before I send it tomorrow 19:44:05 smcginnis: clear blue skies in MA at the moment ;P 19:44:20 just say'n' 19:44:21 * dhellmann enjoyed the cool weather in Denver, since it's already turning tropical here in Georgia 19:44:24 :) 19:44:26 smcginnis, its been sunny and 70 in seattle all week 19:44:39 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I need to move. 19:44:45 :D 19:44:45 smcginnis, yes, you do :) 19:45:08 dhellmann, and tonyb and ttx are of course welcome to move to Seattle too :) 19:45:40 Bridget wants to move to France, but looks like it's about the same there. At least in Paris. Will have to try further south. 19:46:26 smcginnis: I suspect ttx may know a thing or two about that 19:46:34 anyway I think we're done 19:46:43 #endmeeting