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16:01:06 <smcginnis> Ping  ttx dhellmann diablo_rojo hberaud evrardjp armstrong tonyb
16:01:27 <smcginnis> Sorry again for the short notice changing the start time.
16:01:41 <fungi> aloha
16:01:53 <smcginnis> This is actually the only time I can do it, so if folks come along later and there is interest, feel free to run another meeting without me.
16:01:55 * fungi updates his schedule
16:02:23 <ttx> I'll be doing something else at the other time :)
16:02:48 <smcginnis> Drinking wine? :)
16:02:59 <ttx> I hope so
16:03:21 <dhellmann> o/
16:03:25 <smcginnis> I'll just give it a couple minutes yet.
16:03:36 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/train-relmgt-tracking Agenda
16:03:38 <ttx> dhellmann: do you have a IRC trigger on "wine" ? I do.
16:03:48 <dhellmann> it's not an irc trigger, just a trigger
16:04:02 <smcginnis> Around line 395. As usual, thanks ttx for actually putting together an agenda.
16:04:27 <ttx> I call it the "All the things I can't fix by myself" list
16:05:13 <smcginnis> OK, I guess we should get going.
16:05:29 <smcginnis> #topic Final decision on undecided milestone-2 autoreleases
16:05:36 <ttx> So I did a bunch of pings this morning in hope that would trigger late responses
16:05:38 <smcginnis> #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:train-2-autoreleases+status:open
16:05:41 <ttx> And it did!
16:05:50 <ttx> (combining review and IRC pings)
16:06:04 <ttx> We only have a couple of "undecided" autoreleases now
16:06:12 <smcginnis> That list is a lot smaller than I was afraid it would be.
16:06:12 <ttx> #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:train-2-autoreleases+status:open
16:06:24 <ttx> python-cinderclient 4.3.0 https://review.opendev.org/#/c/675315/
16:06:36 <ttx> shade 1.32.0 https://review.opendev.org/#/c/675329/
16:06:48 <smcginnis> I was hoping jungleboyj would review that cinder one.
16:06:49 <ttx> The others sound like they can be processed normally
16:07:07 <ttx> smcginnis: if only we knew who the cinder release liaison was
16:07:24 <smcginnis> :)
16:07:52 <smcginnis> I was actually going to suggest he changes that to rosmaita. I just haven't had the time to check what we've merged so far.
16:07:59 <ttx> would love to have mordred's take on the Shade one
16:08:12 <smcginnis> But might be able to get some time later today.
16:08:27 <ttx> smcginnis: so here is what I propose for those
16:08:39 <smcginnis> So cinderclient and shade are the only two without PTL or liaison ack?
16:08:51 <ttx> At the end of your day you +2 them as RelMgt PTL if there was no answer
16:08:57 <ttx> And I will +2A them in my morning
16:09:09 <ttx> because we have waited enough
16:09:11 <smcginnis> That sounds like a good plan to me.
16:09:20 <ttx> give it a full 24h ping
16:09:26 <smcginnis> Agreed. They've been out there long enough and they were added to the review.
16:09:36 <smcginnis> I think we'll have to take that as silent agreement.
16:09:57 <ttx> smcginnis: just remember to +2 them so that I can process those without fully self-approving
16:10:19 <smcginnis> Will do. I think I have a long lunch break later.
16:10:33 <ttx> #agreed smcginnis to override PTL approval on autoreleases at EOD
16:10:57 <smcginnis> #topic Final decision on undecided cycle changes
16:11:11 <ttx> Obviously the glance one can stay open until we get a release reproposed. Only the non-answers should get overridden
16:11:19 <ttx> ok, so same deal here
16:11:34 <ttx> we had three undecided as of this morning
16:12:13 <smcginnis> Two horizon dashboards and an "extra" lib. Those seem like they should be fine with the other release model.
16:12:31 <ttx> I would love to have Telles' view on the sahara-extra one as it may just not make sense
16:12:53 <ttx> the other two are probably ok to override
16:13:26 <smcginnis> Same tactic - I +2 today and give until your morning for any of them to raise an issue?
16:13:48 <ttx> yes sounds good to me. We can always backtrack if that was a gigantic fail
16:13:58 <ttx> Only diamonds are forever
16:14:10 <smcginnis> Yeah, at least all of these are easy to "undo".
16:14:39 <ttx> #agreed smcginnis to override PTL approval on release-model changes at EOD
16:14:56 <smcginnis> #topic Stale reviews
16:15:17 <smcginnis> I totally missed these until today, so thanks for raising it.
16:15:18 <ttx> we have two reviews that are not approved yet, for obscure reasons
16:15:32 <ttx> one of them blocking something else
16:15:56 <smcginnis> dhellmann: Would you have time to review those?
16:16:02 <ttx> yes... since I authored both, so could use your second +2
16:16:23 <smcginnis> Otherwise I can single approve if we are review-resource constrained, but would like to avoid that.
16:17:19 <ttx> I think our new recruits feel less comfortable +2ing process changes, which leads to resource constraints when the change is proposed by one of us
16:17:36 <smcginnis> I'll watch for those too and if we can't get more reviews by later today.
16:17:49 <smcginnis> Kendall is in Vietname, right?
16:17:53 <ttx> yes
16:18:03 <smcginnis> And evrardjp probably didn't get the notice about time change.
16:18:51 <smcginnis> OK, guess that's as far as we'll get with that for now.
16:18:55 <smcginnis> #topic R-6 email (to be sent R-7) content review
16:19:03 <smcginnis> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/relmgmt-weekly-emails
16:19:11 <smcginnis> Line ~376
16:19:37 <ttx> Working on it
16:20:36 <smcginnis> Did we want to keep that date mention in there?
16:23:07 <evrardjp> I am here, sorry, agenda not in sync yet
16:23:43 <smcginnis> evrardjp: Sorry for the short notice. We're just going through the countdown email content in the etherpad.
16:23:57 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/relmgmt-weekly-emails
16:24:17 <dhellmann> sorry, local distraction, I'll look at those reviews today
16:24:51 <smcginnis> Thanks dhellmann
16:25:18 <ttx> I'm trying to simplify and make it short
16:25:27 <evrardjp> reading backlog, I can already say ttx was wrong, diamonds are not forever :p
16:26:49 <smcginnis> Hah
16:26:50 <evrardjp> smcginnis: no worries, I expected it, I just didn't receive the calendar notification, and I was deep in code, so... I am just catching up the beginning of the convo.
16:27:05 <evrardjp> smcginnis: (geological times)
16:27:38 <smcginnis> ttx: Was just going to say we could remove all of that.
16:27:56 <smcginnis> evrardjp: My sister is a geologist - she would agree. :D
16:28:01 <ttx> ok, I think that is simple enough now
16:28:13 <smcginnis> ttx: ++ That looks great.
16:28:16 <evrardjp> smcginnis: I am too, amongst other things :)
16:28:29 <smcginnis> evrardjp, that man of many talents.
16:28:53 <evrardjp> are we still on the weekly emails?
16:28:59 <smcginnis> Yep.
16:29:17 <smcginnis> I'm happy with it. If anyone has any updates, feel free. Otherwise that's what I will send next week.
16:29:31 <ttx> yep, looks solid enough and not too much to digest in one piece
16:30:13 <smcginnis> I see next week there is a not to start transitioning queens to EM. Just a note for awareness on that.
16:30:29 <evrardjp> time flies
16:30:47 <smcginnis> Indeed
16:30:52 <smcginnis> #topic Move meeting to Thursdays 16utc?
16:31:06 <smcginnis> #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/677831/
16:31:16 <smcginnis> Looks like everyone is good with the change so far.
16:31:17 <ttx> I can approve that one now if we think that is official now
16:31:19 <evrardjp> agreed on what ttx said and the content
16:31:20 <smcginnis> I will remove my -W
16:31:43 <smcginnis> I was hoping to get something from tonyb, but I know he's way too swamped.
16:31:47 <fungi> the dry run seems to be going well enough ;)
16:31:55 <ttx> Also easy to revert
16:32:04 <smcginnis> Haha, yep. This was just a test today.
16:32:06 <ttx> Some would say we are documenting the new normal
16:32:21 <ttx> alright, fire in the hole
16:32:42 <smcginnis> Still feel bad that we are making it even more inconvenient for Tony, but I guess overall this works out better.
16:33:05 <evrardjp> Earth is still round :(
16:33:10 <smcginnis> https://media3.giphy.com/media/2o0TeCFA1azF6/source.gif
16:33:19 <evrardjp> "round"
16:33:30 <evrardjp> smcginnis: wise
16:33:37 <smcginnis> I heard it was flat though. :P
16:33:47 <smcginnis> Alternative facts.
16:33:56 <fungi> if the earth were flat, cats would have knocked everything off of it by now
16:34:06 <smcginnis> That's a very valid point.
16:34:07 <evrardjp> smcginnis: maybe you should talk about that to your sister?
16:34:12 <smcginnis> #topic Open discussion
16:34:20 <smcginnis> Anything else for today?
16:34:23 <evrardjp> fungi: :)
16:34:42 <evrardjp> I still have something to discuss I think
16:35:29 <smcginnis> https://media0.giphy.com/media/aabB05cd48fVm/source.gif
16:35:39 <smcginnis> evrardjp: All yours. :)
16:35:55 <evrardjp> oh yeah, I am still late on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/673019/ . Didn't get the chance to finish that. dhellmann do you strongly need an extra patch after the reno, instead of being independent?
16:36:05 <evrardjp> others: Can I have some eyes on this?
16:36:29 <smcginnis> Oh yeah, we should get that going.
16:36:40 <evrardjp> (ofc I will improve the search of the zuul files, and fix the comment of dhellmann on l51 too)
16:36:52 <openstackgerrit> Merged openstack/releases master: Allow multiple releses in cycle-automatic  https://review.opendev.org/674245
16:37:34 <smcginnis> evrardjp: I will try to get to that later today too.
16:38:17 <smcginnis> OK, anything else?
16:38:24 <evrardjp> nothing else
16:38:35 <smcginnis> I should probably get to the keynotes.
16:38:55 <ttx> nothin here
16:38:57 <smcginnis> Thanks all. I appreciate your time on releases.
16:39:02 <smcginnis> #endmeeting