16:00:50 <smcginnis> #startmeeting releaseteam 16:00:51 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Aug 22 16:00:50 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:52 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:54 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' 16:01:06 <smcginnis> Ping ttx dhellmann diablo_rojo hberaud evrardjp armstrong tonyb 16:01:27 <smcginnis> Sorry again for the short notice changing the start time. 16:01:41 <fungi> aloha 16:01:53 <smcginnis> This is actually the only time I can do it, so if folks come along later and there is interest, feel free to run another meeting without me. 16:01:55 * fungi updates his schedule 16:02:23 <ttx> I'll be doing something else at the other time :) 16:02:48 <smcginnis> Drinking wine? :) 16:02:59 <ttx> I hope so 16:03:21 <dhellmann> o/ 16:03:25 <smcginnis> I'll just give it a couple minutes yet. 16:03:36 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/train-relmgt-tracking Agenda 16:03:38 <ttx> dhellmann: do you have a IRC trigger on "wine" ? I do. 16:03:48 <dhellmann> it's not an irc trigger, just a trigger 16:04:02 <smcginnis> Around line 395. As usual, thanks ttx for actually putting together an agenda. 16:04:27 <ttx> I call it the "All the things I can't fix by myself" list 16:05:13 <smcginnis> OK, I guess we should get going. 16:05:29 <smcginnis> #topic Final decision on undecided milestone-2 autoreleases 16:05:36 <ttx> So I did a bunch of pings this morning in hope that would trigger late responses 16:05:38 <smcginnis> #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:train-2-autoreleases+status:open 16:05:41 <ttx> And it did! 16:05:50 <ttx> (combining review and IRC pings) 16:06:04 <ttx> We only have a couple of "undecided" autoreleases now 16:06:12 <smcginnis> That list is a lot smaller than I was afraid it would be. 16:06:12 <ttx> #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:train-2-autoreleases+status:open 16:06:24 <ttx> python-cinderclient 4.3.0 https://review.opendev.org/#/c/675315/ 16:06:36 <ttx> shade 1.32.0 https://review.opendev.org/#/c/675329/ 16:06:48 <smcginnis> I was hoping jungleboyj would review that cinder one. 16:06:49 <ttx> The others sound like they can be processed normally 16:07:07 <ttx> smcginnis: if only we knew who the cinder release liaison was 16:07:24 <smcginnis> :) 16:07:52 <smcginnis> I was actually going to suggest he changes that to rosmaita. I just haven't had the time to check what we've merged so far. 16:07:59 <ttx> would love to have mordred's take on the Shade one 16:08:12 <smcginnis> But might be able to get some time later today. 16:08:27 <ttx> smcginnis: so here is what I propose for those 16:08:39 <smcginnis> So cinderclient and shade are the only two without PTL or liaison ack? 16:08:51 <ttx> At the end of your day you +2 them as RelMgt PTL if there was no answer 16:08:57 <ttx> And I will +2A them in my morning 16:09:09 <ttx> because we have waited enough 16:09:11 <smcginnis> That sounds like a good plan to me. 16:09:20 <ttx> give it a full 24h ping 16:09:26 <smcginnis> Agreed. They've been out there long enough and they were added to the review. 16:09:36 <smcginnis> I think we'll have to take that as silent agreement. 16:09:57 <ttx> smcginnis: just remember to +2 them so that I can process those without fully self-approving 16:10:19 <smcginnis> Will do. I think I have a long lunch break later. 16:10:33 <ttx> #agreed smcginnis to override PTL approval on autoreleases at EOD 16:10:57 <smcginnis> #topic Final decision on undecided cycle changes 16:11:11 <ttx> Obviously the glance one can stay open until we get a release reproposed. Only the non-answers should get overridden 16:11:19 <ttx> ok, so same deal here 16:11:34 <ttx> we had three undecided as of this morning 16:12:13 <smcginnis> Two horizon dashboards and an "extra" lib. Those seem like they should be fine with the other release model. 16:12:31 <ttx> I would love to have Telles' view on the sahara-extra one as it may just not make sense 16:12:53 <ttx> the other two are probably ok to override 16:13:26 <smcginnis> Same tactic - I +2 today and give until your morning for any of them to raise an issue? 16:13:48 <ttx> yes sounds good to me. We can always backtrack if that was a gigantic fail 16:13:58 <ttx> Only diamonds are forever 16:14:10 <smcginnis> Yeah, at least all of these are easy to "undo". 16:14:39 <ttx> #agreed smcginnis to override PTL approval on release-model changes at EOD 16:14:56 <smcginnis> #topic Stale reviews 16:15:17 <smcginnis> I totally missed these until today, so thanks for raising it. 16:15:18 <ttx> we have two reviews that are not approved yet, for obscure reasons 16:15:32 <ttx> one of them blocking something else 16:15:56 <smcginnis> dhellmann: Would you have time to review those? 16:16:02 <ttx> yes... since I authored both, so could use your second +2 16:16:23 <smcginnis> Otherwise I can single approve if we are review-resource constrained, but would like to avoid that. 16:17:19 <ttx> I think our new recruits feel less comfortable +2ing process changes, which leads to resource constraints when the change is proposed by one of us 16:17:36 <smcginnis> I'll watch for those too and if we can't get more reviews by later today. 16:17:49 <smcginnis> Kendall is in Vietname, right? 16:17:53 <ttx> yes 16:18:03 <smcginnis> And evrardjp probably didn't get the notice about time change. 16:18:51 <smcginnis> OK, guess that's as far as we'll get with that for now. 16:18:55 <smcginnis> #topic R-6 email (to be sent R-7) content review 16:19:03 <smcginnis> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/relmgmt-weekly-emails 16:19:11 <smcginnis> Line ~376 16:19:37 <ttx> Working on it 16:20:36 <smcginnis> Did we want to keep that date mention in there? 16:23:07 <evrardjp> I am here, sorry, agenda not in sync yet 16:23:43 <smcginnis> evrardjp: Sorry for the short notice. We're just going through the countdown email content in the etherpad. 16:23:57 <smcginnis> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/relmgmt-weekly-emails 16:24:17 <dhellmann> sorry, local distraction, I'll look at those reviews today 16:24:51 <smcginnis> Thanks dhellmann 16:25:18 <ttx> I'm trying to simplify and make it short 16:25:27 <evrardjp> reading backlog, I can already say ttx was wrong, diamonds are not forever :p 16:26:49 <smcginnis> Hah 16:26:50 <evrardjp> smcginnis: no worries, I expected it, I just didn't receive the calendar notification, and I was deep in code, so... I am just catching up the beginning of the convo. 16:27:05 <evrardjp> smcginnis: (geological times) 16:27:38 <smcginnis> ttx: Was just going to say we could remove all of that. 16:27:56 <smcginnis> evrardjp: My sister is a geologist - she would agree. :D 16:28:01 <ttx> ok, I think that is simple enough now 16:28:13 <smcginnis> ttx: ++ That looks great. 16:28:16 <evrardjp> smcginnis: I am too, amongst other things :) 16:28:29 <smcginnis> evrardjp, that man of many talents. 16:28:53 <evrardjp> are we still on the weekly emails? 16:28:59 <smcginnis> Yep. 16:29:17 <smcginnis> I'm happy with it. If anyone has any updates, feel free. Otherwise that's what I will send next week. 16:29:31 <ttx> yep, looks solid enough and not too much to digest in one piece 16:30:13 <smcginnis> I see next week there is a not to start transitioning queens to EM. Just a note for awareness on that. 16:30:29 <evrardjp> time flies 16:30:47 <smcginnis> Indeed 16:30:52 <smcginnis> #topic Move meeting to Thursdays 16utc? 16:31:06 <smcginnis> #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/677831/ 16:31:16 <smcginnis> Looks like everyone is good with the change so far. 16:31:17 <ttx> I can approve that one now if we think that is official now 16:31:19 <evrardjp> agreed on what ttx said and the content 16:31:20 <smcginnis> I will remove my -W 16:31:43 <smcginnis> I was hoping to get something from tonyb, but I know he's way too swamped. 16:31:47 <fungi> the dry run seems to be going well enough ;) 16:31:55 <ttx> Also easy to revert 16:32:04 <smcginnis> Haha, yep. This was just a test today. 16:32:06 <ttx> Some would say we are documenting the new normal 16:32:21 <ttx> alright, fire in the hole 16:32:42 <smcginnis> Still feel bad that we are making it even more inconvenient for Tony, but I guess overall this works out better. 16:33:05 <evrardjp> Earth is still round :( 16:33:10 <smcginnis> https://media3.giphy.com/media/2o0TeCFA1azF6/source.gif 16:33:19 <evrardjp> "round" 16:33:30 <evrardjp> smcginnis: wise 16:33:37 <smcginnis> I heard it was flat though. :P 16:33:47 <smcginnis> Alternative facts. 16:33:56 <fungi> if the earth were flat, cats would have knocked everything off of it by now 16:34:06 <smcginnis> That's a very valid point. 16:34:07 <evrardjp> smcginnis: maybe you should talk about that to your sister? 16:34:12 <smcginnis> #topic Open discussion 16:34:20 <smcginnis> Anything else for today? 16:34:23 <evrardjp> fungi: :) 16:34:42 <evrardjp> I still have something to discuss I think 16:35:29 <smcginnis> https://media0.giphy.com/media/aabB05cd48fVm/source.gif 16:35:39 <smcginnis> evrardjp: All yours. :) 16:35:55 <evrardjp> oh yeah, I am still late on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/673019/ . Didn't get the chance to finish that. dhellmann do you strongly need an extra patch after the reno, instead of being independent? 16:36:05 <evrardjp> others: Can I have some eyes on this? 16:36:29 <smcginnis> Oh yeah, we should get that going. 16:36:40 <evrardjp> (ofc I will improve the search of the zuul files, and fix the comment of dhellmann on l51 too) 16:36:52 <openstackgerrit> Merged openstack/releases master: Allow multiple releses in cycle-automatic https://review.opendev.org/674245 16:37:34 <smcginnis> evrardjp: I will try to get to that later today too. 16:38:17 <smcginnis> OK, anything else? 16:38:24 <evrardjp> nothing else 16:38:35 <smcginnis> I should probably get to the keynotes. 16:38:55 <ttx> nothin here 16:38:57 <smcginnis> Thanks all. I appreciate your time on releases. 16:39:02 <smcginnis> #endmeeting