12:00:18 <tonyb> #startmeeting requirements
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12:00:22 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'requirements'
12:00:27 <tonyb> #topic rollcall
12:00:37 <dirk> o/
12:00:41 * tonyb waves at coolsvap
12:00:48 <tonyb> and dirk
12:00:53 <coolsvap> o/
12:01:03 <coolsvap> hello tonyb o/
12:01:14 <coolsvap> hello dirk o/
12:01:15 <tonyb> :)
12:02:36 <tonyb> I'm not sure we'll get prometheanfire today
12:02:47 <tonyb> so it make just be the 3 of us ...
12:03:27 <tonyb> #topic Any controversies in the Queue?
12:03:36 <coolsvap> yes i think he's not well
12:03:36 <tonyb> anyone?
12:03:48 <prometheanfire> hi
12:03:51 <tonyb> Oh speak of prometheanfire ;P
12:04:02 <tonyb> ... in a good way
12:04:09 <coolsvap> prometheanfire: hey
12:04:44 <tonyb> So anything open on master we need to talk about?
12:04:45 <coolsvap> we have merged lot of things today
12:04:52 <coolsvap> nothing that i am aware of
12:05:03 <tonyb> coolsvap: Yeah quite a few things :)
12:05:43 <tonyb> There is a potential FFE/Backport coming for python-heatclient but I don't have a lot of information there.
12:06:33 <tonyb> The generate-constraints update is very red :(
12:06:52 <tonyb> which probably isn't surprising after so long not merging it ... it's a big one
12:08:20 <dirk> do we want to split it a bit?
12:08:23 <tonyb> Does anyone have time to break it up into smaller chunks to get some of it merged?
12:08:31 <tonyb> dirk: snap ... sort of
12:09:04 <dirk> how do I do that?
12:09:15 <dirk> I can spend a bit of time on it I guess
12:10:10 <tonyb> dirk: I'd certinaly remove anythign that we have another chnage ie tenacity, gabbi etc
12:10:24 <number80> o/
12:10:38 <tonyb> and anything openstack (tripleo-common. DIB)
12:10:48 <tonyb> and then see what the gate looks like
12:11:17 <tonyb> it's fairly new so we have ~20 hours to get it into a mergable state before it get clobbered
12:11:34 <dirk> tonyb: ok, I'll give it a shot. I'll first remove the openstack bits
12:11:41 <dirk> the error message about missing yaml doesn't make entire sense to me
12:11:47 <tonyb> dirk: Thanks.
12:11:53 <prometheanfire> I won't have time to split it like I normally do today, busy day
12:13:00 <tonyb> prometheanfire: Will you have time to take a look at it if dirk does the splitting?
12:14:06 <prometheanfire> ofc
12:14:22 <tonyb> prometheanfire: dirk: cool thanks.
12:14:44 <tonyb> Hmm this is second time I've seen that the infra mirrors are out of sync with pypi :(
12:15:25 <tonyb> moving on?
12:15:48 <prometheanfire> +1
12:15:59 <coolsvap> yes
12:16:05 <tonyb> #topic Master is open
12:16:18 <dirk> hurray
12:16:21 <tonyb> Well I guess that isn't really a topic as such and we kinda covered it
12:17:06 <tonyb> We merged a lot today but I'd like to be a little more sedate for the next few days if we can do that ...
12:17:17 <tonyb> I know it's hard when we've accumulated a backlog
12:18:01 <tonyb> #topic Barcelona Design Summit
12:18:12 <tonyb> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-ocata-summit_ideas
12:18:18 <tonyb> Please put your ideas in there
12:18:30 <tonyb> I think lower bounds testsing is going to be a big push
12:18:57 <prometheanfire> yep, that's the big thing I'd like to see this cycle at least
12:19:08 <tonyb> We have one session which is Thur 3:30-4:10 ATM
12:19:43 <tonyb> prometheanfire: dhellmann has some ideas that I'm trying to digest.
12:20:28 <tonyb> I was going for a much smaller increment than his suggestion ... but we can aim high ;P
12:20:32 <prometheanfire> ya, we talked about it a few days ago, between the bug and the two etherpads there are a good amount of ideas
12:20:48 <dirk> tonyb: I am personally a big fan of aim low and iterate fast :)
12:20:56 <prometheanfire> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-requirements/+bug/1623571
12:20:57 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1623571 in OpenStack Global Requirements "lower-constraints blueprint idea dumping ground" [Undecided,New]
12:20:59 <tonyb> dirk: :)
12:21:01 <prometheanfire> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-requirements-notes
12:21:12 <prometheanfire> one etherpad, not two
12:21:31 <tonyb> prometheanfire: Thanks.  I hadn't seen that bug
12:21:34 <prometheanfire> dirk: I personally like that too, if that method is appropriate
12:23:55 <tonyb> The idea of mixing lower-constraints with relaxed requirements management (divergent management?) is the thing that concerens me
12:24:29 <tonyb> rigth now I think of them differently the aim of both is being more user friendly but ....
12:24:50 <tonyb> anyway I need to make some time to ride a bike and thing about them befoer Barcelona
12:25:42 <prometheanfire> ya, the combined method can still be devided up though
12:26:14 <prometheanfire> anyway, stuff to think and talk about
12:26:21 <tonyb> prometheanfire: sure, as long as the endgame is aligned
12:26:25 <tonyb> #topic Tasks from Etherpad
12:26:40 <tonyb> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-tasks
12:28:35 <tonyb> Nothing more to say there really.  I think we can move the "spin out team" item to done (and just leave a new item for define electorate
12:28:37 <prometheanfire> no update
12:28:54 <prometheanfire> that sounds good
12:29:08 <tonyb> I'm pretty sure item 1 is done also
12:29:24 <tonyb> with the py27-with-constraints job
12:29:52 <tonyb> perhaps there is a need to extend that out to py35
12:30:58 <tonyb> #topic Open Discussion
12:31:10 <tonyb> go forth and discuss openly ....
12:31:53 * dirk opens up
12:32:44 <tonyb> :)
12:34:25 <dirk> seriously, I have no topics right now.
12:34:41 <prometheanfire> ya, me neither
12:34:42 <tonyb> so odyssey4me is asking for reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373192/
12:34:57 <tonyb> that's abut all I have ....
12:35:23 <dirk> ah, didn't look at that
12:35:55 <tonyb> Yeah I sware it wasn't there today when I thought I reviewed everythign open on master
12:36:26 <tonyb> anyway I think we're done for this meeting
12:36:57 <prometheanfire> yep
12:37:09 <tonyb> we can chat in #openstack-requirements or sleep or drink whatever you like
12:37:15 <tonyb> Thanks all
12:37:18 <tonyb> #endmeeting