20:30:26 <prometheanfire> #startmeeting requirements
20:30:27 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Dec  5 20:30:26 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is prometheanfire. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
20:30:28 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
20:30:31 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'requirements'
20:30:35 <prometheanfire> #topic rollcall
20:30:36 <tonyb> \o
20:30:37 <prometheanfire> tonyb, prometheanfire, number80, dirk, coolsvap, toabctl, smcginnis, dhellmann ping
20:30:41 <prometheanfire> o/
20:32:03 <smcginnis> o/
20:32:24 <prometheanfire> #topic Any controversies in the Queue?
20:32:52 <smcginnis> Is everything failing controversial?
20:33:20 <prometheanfire> well, bot update just passed, but ya, general failures seem to be more common
20:33:57 <smcginnis> Nothing specific that I'm aware of.
20:34:09 * tonyb doesn't have time to do a regression analysis to see if things are more filure prone now than normal
20:34:32 <prometheanfire> nor I, I'll look closer as I can though
20:34:48 * smcginnis is travelling this week and next
20:35:09 <tonyb> smcginnis: safe travels
20:35:23 <smcginnis> Thanks. Didn't start out well with 8 hours of delays.
20:35:28 <smcginnis> But made it
20:35:37 <tonyb> smcginnis: yck 8 hours :(
20:35:53 <prometheanfire> smcginnis: seems to be going around :(
20:36:42 <tonyb> So the only controversies I'm aware of is/are the libvirt updates
20:37:10 <tonyb> but I think they're mostly in hand just gotta work the details
20:37:30 <prometheanfire> ya, that's handled for now I think
20:37:46 <tonyb> Oh I guess tornado (https://review.openstack.org/616922) is probably on the list
20:38:02 <prometheanfire> that's a good one
20:39:30 <smcginnis> Oh yeah. It was already an indirect requirement, right? So I figured that would be OK to add.
20:39:38 <prometheanfire> not sure what extra there is to say there, we haven't been given reason to add it
20:39:58 <prometheanfire> an indirect req (dep of dep) is auto included in our uc updates
20:40:21 <prometheanfire> we don't need it for gr (only if it's a direct dep)
20:41:09 <smcginnis> So ideally we would like the monasca-analytics folks to change the way they are exposing their web service?
20:41:35 <tonyb> Yeah It's probably safe from a co-installability POV but I don't understand why we need another framework
20:42:01 <tonyb> smcginnis: Or provide a really compelling reason for why the existing frameworks can't work
20:42:15 <smcginnis> Sounds like they were already using it, but would be great to at least get a response from them on the feasibility of switching to be more consistent with other projects.
20:42:20 <prometheanfire> first question is if monasca-analytics wants to be co-installable, second would be why are they using something not covered if they answered yes to 1
20:42:28 <prometheanfire> yep
20:43:07 <tonyb> smcginnis: I think they're *trying* to use it (as in they have a review that uses it but it can't merge because it isn't in g-r
20:43:53 <prometheanfire> ah, that makes more sense (and makes be fell better), I would prefer something like flask though (your comment was good in that respect)
20:43:57 <smcginnis> Yeah, I think you're right. Then this is probably a good time to redirec them to a different framework..
20:45:06 <dirk> Which framework are they trying to use?
20:45:58 <prometheanfire> tornado
20:50:21 * tonyb assumes dirk lost connectivity on the train ;P
20:50:49 <smcginnis> Or he really, really doesn't like tornado.
20:51:09 <smcginnis> Anyway, I think we at least need a response from that team on that request.
20:51:22 <smcginnis> Kind of disappointing they have been silent since those comments.
20:51:55 <tonyb> smcginnis: It is but it's also the Monasca way
20:53:48 <dirk> prometheanfire: thanks. Sorry git disconnected
20:55:04 * tonyb was right! (at least sorta)
20:56:20 <dirk> I can try getting an answer on the tornado topic tomorrow
20:59:56 <tonyb> dirk: That'd be great
21:01:26 <dirk> Is there a resolution on flask from the tc to point to?
21:03:33 <smcginnis> I don't believe so.
21:03:40 <smcginnis> Just precendent by other projects.
21:03:55 <smcginnis> *precedent
21:06:25 <dirk> Right, I guess the reasoning will be around the special needs which require tornado
21:06:33 <dirk> I might find out
21:07:22 <tonyb> dirk: Yeah if there is a really compleeing reason we can evaluate that but using one of the allready available frameworks woudl be good
21:08:06 <dirk> Agreed
21:08:56 <tonyb> Okay anything else on controversies ?
21:10:08 <prometheanfire> sorry, got distracted here
21:10:15 <prometheanfire> #topic open floor
21:11:02 <prometheanfire> iirc tornado code can be a bit harder to debug
21:11:44 * tonyb doesn't really have anything for open floor
21:11:52 <prometheanfire> #endmeeting