13:37:55 <dirk> #startmeeting rpm_packaging
13:37:56 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Feb 27 13:37:55 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dirk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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13:37:59 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging'
13:38:01 <dirk> #topic roll call
13:38:08 <dirk> do we get a quorum today?
13:38:35 <cmurphy> o/
13:40:18 <toabctl> hi
13:40:29 <jpena> o/
13:41:26 <dirk> whoohoo!
13:41:41 <dirk> everyone, add your agenda items to
13:41:47 <dirk> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging
13:45:20 <dirk> ok, no agenda items pop up
13:45:24 <dirk> # PTL election
13:45:31 <dirk> #topic PTL election
13:45:55 <dirk> small reminder, the PTL self-election period for Train is upcoming (March 4th-8th)
13:46:14 <dirk> does anyone want to volunteer?
13:48:09 <toabctl> should we try to continue with the rotation?
13:48:31 <dirk> what other options do you have in mind?
13:48:42 <toabctl> if we rotate by company, jpena would be next :) if the company doesn't matter, I could do it next cycle
13:49:04 <toabctl> play dice ? :)
13:49:20 <jpena> well, I'm 1 against 3, so the other company should have 3 slots before :P
13:50:24 <toabctl> jpena, you need to count the people from this list : https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/1007,members :P
13:50:38 <jpena> well yeah, I was thinking about active cores
13:50:44 <toabctl> :)
13:50:57 <toabctl> jpena, so I assume you don't want to do it, right?
13:51:07 <jpena> I'd rather pass this time
13:51:25 <toabctl> ok. I can step in then
13:51:44 <jpena> \o/
13:51:49 <dirk> wfm
13:52:21 <dirk> the only other option I see is to proactively inform the TC that we're not going to participate in this going forward, and not nominate a PTL
13:52:38 <cmurphy> why would you want to do that?
13:53:28 <toabctl> participating in having a PTL? or what do you mean, dirk?
13:53:50 <dirk> no longer being listed as official project
13:54:05 <dirk> e.g. having to follow the openstack foundation rules (PTL election every 6 months etc)
13:55:02 <cmurphy> are the rules posing such a hardship that it's worthwhile to withdraw from the openstack project?
13:56:22 <dirk> no, I didn't want to imply that
13:57:14 <dirk> my thinking is that there is imho also a certain responsibility in being PTL towards the project (not the on paper-nomination rules) and I'M not sure we're currently committing ourselves towards that responsibility
13:57:26 <dirk> however thats mostly speaking for myself ;)
13:57:43 <dirk> anyway, I'm fine with toabctl stepping up. thanks!
13:58:13 <dirk> toabctl: please remember to send an election candidacy then by next week ..
13:58:14 <cmurphy> the ptl is just supposed to act as a contact point and decision maker, i think it's kind of good to have even if we were an unofficial project
13:58:35 <toabctl> dirk, I try. but feel free to remind me again in the next meeting :)
13:59:40 <dirk> cmurphy: you're describing the passive role, I meant the active part of the role (participating in the community/cross comunity goals/helping other projects to integrate) ..
13:59:55 <dirk> I'm happy to discuss this further, can we move it to the open floor part of the meeting?
14:00:10 <cmurphy> sure
14:00:30 <dirk> #topic project update
14:00:51 <dirk> so for the first time ever I recently got a mail asking whether we as a project would like to give a "project update" talk at the openstack summit in denver
14:01:06 <dirk> since I'm not sure I will be there (actually more sure I won't) I was wondering if anybody else would like to step up?
14:01:34 <jpena> I won't be there either
14:01:44 <toabctl> same for me. not there
14:01:50 <dirk> after myself of bitching about not being asked for about two years in  a row not answering is also not good :/
14:02:23 <dirk> cmurphy?
14:02:35 <cmurphy> I will be there
14:02:48 <cmurphy> I have to give several other presentations
14:02:59 <cmurphy> but I can give this update if someone helps me with the content?
14:03:39 <dirk> I can probably help with that
14:04:12 <cmurphy> okay
14:05:15 <dirk> thanks colleen!
14:05:45 <dirk> lets see if we can sneak in still (I think the official response deadline is already over). I'll followup on this
14:06:06 <dirk> #topic open floor
14:06:12 <dirk> do we have reviews to discuss for today?
14:06:31 <toabctl> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/609316/ needs fixing for centos
14:07:47 <toabctl> jpena, ^^ could you have a look? I hope we can get this merged after ~4 month...
14:08:33 <jpena> I've been working on it this week. In cnetos, it's failing with some strange error message when building mistral
14:09:03 <jpena> I'll give it another look and see if I can find the reason
14:09:09 <toabctl> thx!
14:09:13 <openstackgerrit> Dirk Mueller proposed openstack/rpm-packaging stable/rocky: magnum-tempest-plugin: Fix skipping of tests  https://review.openstack.org/639609
14:09:41 <dirk> thanks jpena
14:10:58 <dirk> I think I'll need to do another pass at oslo* updates
14:11:10 <dirk> we have Sten branch cut upcoming, it would be good to have master in a sensible shape
14:11:22 <dirk> its not very closely aligned with what stein is at this point in time
14:11:38 <dirk> I think we'd have to do some effort on getting all the versions into the right state packaged
14:11:58 <dirk> can we distribute the work on this a bit? do we want to do one review per package and getting it into the current version?
14:12:34 <toabctl> 1 review (given that the CI is green) sounds good to me. also distributing the work
14:12:41 <cmurphy> ++
14:13:57 <toabctl> one more thing - is it possible to add jira to the centos/fedora CI, jpena ? it's needed for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/639076/
14:14:19 <toabctl> otherwise we would need a workaround for fedora/centos
14:14:42 <jpena> I'm on it, but it may take some time
14:14:49 <jpena> fedora should be easy
14:14:51 <toabctl> ok. thx
14:15:53 <dirk> toabctl: do you still maintain the packaging status somewhere? I remember it was at https://toabctl.de/openstack/ but that seems to 403
14:16:08 <toabctl> https://toabctl.de/openstack/rpm-packaging-status-stein.html
14:16:36 <toabctl> dirk ^^
14:16:51 <dirk> thanks!
14:17:09 <dirk> I'll do oslo.* and maybe some of the *client
14:17:33 <dirk> more concretely, the last 5 of *client
14:17:55 <toabctl> I'll do os-* and the -lib$ stuff
14:19:21 <cmurphy> do we want to keep track with an etherpad or something?
14:19:58 <cmurphy> i can do dashboards or clients or services or whatever
14:20:06 <toabctl> we could fix https://toabctl.de/openstack/rpm-packaging-status-stein.html which should show opne reviews
14:20:39 <openstackgerrit> Thomas Bechtold proposed openstack/rpm-packaging master: neutron-lib: Update to 1.24.0  https://review.openstack.org/639678
14:23:21 <dirk> cmurphy: yep, I thought the view from tom above automatically tracks open reviews
14:23:34 <dirk> it might take some time (an hour or so) to update though
14:23:57 <cmurphy> hmm
14:24:09 <toabctl> I think I need to update the tool on the server. I'll have a look
14:24:20 <dirk> that said the "reviews" column is empty. so something is broken?
14:24:21 <dirk> ok, thanks
14:24:49 <dirk> anything else for today? cmurphy want to finish the PTL or not PTL discussion here?
14:25:15 <cmurphy> sure
14:26:24 <cmurphy> i don't have much else to say
14:26:45 <dirk> cmurphy: my feeling is that I haven't much participated in pushing the growth of the project as well as participated in community goals like e.g. https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/stein/index.html
14:26:58 <dirk> we still don't have most packaging python3 first or python3 compatible
14:27:31 <dirk> so I think its a fair thought to say that we're not able to keep progress on those (or not even sure if/how upgradechecks would apply to packaging)
14:27:46 <dirk> we haven't e.g. established a good plan around how to package the upgradecheck tooling for example
14:27:46 <cmurphy> most of those community goals don't really apply to packaging and deployment projects
14:27:48 <toabctl> reviews are fixed in the view (but adding links would be nice  but would need a changeset)
14:28:20 <cmurphy> python3 goal was about running ci tests with python3
14:28:22 <dirk> toabctl: thanks!
14:28:51 <cmurphy> which we actually did accomplish mostly by switching basepython=python3 in tox.ini
14:29:55 <cmurphy> i don't think the upgrade check really applies to us either
14:31:54 <dirk> yeah and no
14:31:59 <cmurphy> if there was something we needed to act on the goal champion would let us know
14:32:52 <openstackgerrit> Thomas Bechtold proposed openstack/rpm-packaging master: neutron-lib: Update to 1.24.0  https://review.openstack.org/639678
14:33:31 <dirk> cmurphy: right, my point is being only passive is not a good reason for being in the project.
14:34:30 <cmurphy> is it a good reason to not be in the project?
14:36:02 <cmurphy> i think having an openstack-sanctioned place to collaborate on packaging is a good thing for the community
14:36:32 <dirk> I agree with that, there are projects where being part of the invite list is all that matters
14:36:52 <dirk> in technical contributions I think saying you're in also gives you responsibility to do something about it
14:36:58 <dirk> any my personal feeling was taht I'm not doing that
14:37:07 <dirk> not saying a nother ptl wouldn't be doing that better ;)
14:38:23 <cmurphy> maybe it's something to bring up to the tc for advice
14:42:19 <dirk> I am not sure I can follow ? ;)
14:42:29 <dirk> anyway, I'll talk to you about it outside the meeting
14:42:31 <dirk> anything else?
14:42:36 <dirk> would like to close the meeting for today
14:42:40 <cmurphy> not from me
14:42:55 <dirk> #endmeeting