13:37:55 #startmeeting rpm_packaging 13:37:56 Meeting started Wed Feb 27 13:37:55 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dirk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:37:57 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:37:59 The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' 13:38:01 #topic roll call 13:38:08 do we get a quorum today? 13:38:35 o/ 13:40:18 hi 13:40:29 o/ 13:41:26 whoohoo! 13:41:41 everyone, add your agenda items to 13:41:47 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging 13:45:20 ok, no agenda items pop up 13:45:24 # PTL election 13:45:31 #topic PTL election 13:45:55 small reminder, the PTL self-election period for Train is upcoming (March 4th-8th) 13:46:14 does anyone want to volunteer? 13:48:09 should we try to continue with the rotation? 13:48:31 what other options do you have in mind? 13:48:42 if we rotate by company, jpena would be next :) if the company doesn't matter, I could do it next cycle 13:49:04 play dice ? :) 13:49:20 well, I'm 1 against 3, so the other company should have 3 slots before :P 13:50:24 jpena, you need to count the people from this list : https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/1007,members :P 13:50:38 well yeah, I was thinking about active cores 13:50:44 :) 13:50:57 jpena, so I assume you don't want to do it, right? 13:51:07 I'd rather pass this time 13:51:25 ok. I can step in then 13:51:44 \o/ 13:51:49 wfm 13:52:21 the only other option I see is to proactively inform the TC that we're not going to participate in this going forward, and not nominate a PTL 13:52:38 why would you want to do that? 13:53:28 participating in having a PTL? or what do you mean, dirk? 13:53:50 no longer being listed as official project 13:54:05 e.g. having to follow the openstack foundation rules (PTL election every 6 months etc) 13:55:02 are the rules posing such a hardship that it's worthwhile to withdraw from the openstack project? 13:56:22 no, I didn't want to imply that 13:57:14 my thinking is that there is imho also a certain responsibility in being PTL towards the project (not the on paper-nomination rules) and I'M not sure we're currently committing ourselves towards that responsibility 13:57:26 however thats mostly speaking for myself ;) 13:57:43 anyway, I'm fine with toabctl stepping up. thanks! 13:58:13 toabctl: please remember to send an election candidacy then by next week .. 13:58:14 the ptl is just supposed to act as a contact point and decision maker, i think it's kind of good to have even if we were an unofficial project 13:58:35 dirk, I try. but feel free to remind me again in the next meeting :) 13:59:40 cmurphy: you're describing the passive role, I meant the active part of the role (participating in the community/cross comunity goals/helping other projects to integrate) .. 13:59:55 I'm happy to discuss this further, can we move it to the open floor part of the meeting? 14:00:10 sure 14:00:30 #topic project update 14:00:51 so for the first time ever I recently got a mail asking whether we as a project would like to give a "project update" talk at the openstack summit in denver 14:01:06 since I'm not sure I will be there (actually more sure I won't) I was wondering if anybody else would like to step up? 14:01:34 I won't be there either 14:01:44 same for me. not there 14:01:50 after myself of bitching about not being asked for about two years in a row not answering is also not good :/ 14:02:23 cmurphy? 14:02:35 I will be there 14:02:48 I have to give several other presentations 14:02:59 but I can give this update if someone helps me with the content? 14:03:39 I can probably help with that 14:04:12 okay 14:05:15 thanks colleen! 14:05:45 lets see if we can sneak in still (I think the official response deadline is already over). I'll followup on this 14:06:06 #topic open floor 14:06:12 do we have reviews to discuss for today? 14:06:31 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/609316/ needs fixing for centos 14:07:47 jpena, ^^ could you have a look? I hope we can get this merged after ~4 month... 14:08:33 I've been working on it this week. In cnetos, it's failing with some strange error message when building mistral 14:09:03 I'll give it another look and see if I can find the reason 14:09:09 thx! 14:09:13 Dirk Mueller proposed openstack/rpm-packaging stable/rocky: magnum-tempest-plugin: Fix skipping of tests https://review.openstack.org/639609 14:09:41 thanks jpena 14:10:58 I think I'll need to do another pass at oslo* updates 14:11:10 we have Sten branch cut upcoming, it would be good to have master in a sensible shape 14:11:22 its not very closely aligned with what stein is at this point in time 14:11:38 I think we'd have to do some effort on getting all the versions into the right state packaged 14:11:58 can we distribute the work on this a bit? do we want to do one review per package and getting it into the current version? 14:12:34 1 review (given that the CI is green) sounds good to me. also distributing the work 14:12:41 ++ 14:13:57 one more thing - is it possible to add jira to the centos/fedora CI, jpena ? it's needed for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/639076/ 14:14:19 otherwise we would need a workaround for fedora/centos 14:14:42 I'm on it, but it may take some time 14:14:49 fedora should be easy 14:14:51 ok. thx 14:15:53 toabctl: do you still maintain the packaging status somewhere? I remember it was at https://toabctl.de/openstack/ but that seems to 403 14:16:08 https://toabctl.de/openstack/rpm-packaging-status-stein.html 14:16:36 dirk ^^ 14:16:51 thanks! 14:17:09 I'll do oslo.* and maybe some of the *client 14:17:33 more concretely, the last 5 of *client 14:17:55 I'll do os-* and the -lib$ stuff 14:19:21 do we want to keep track with an etherpad or something? 14:19:58 i can do dashboards or clients or services or whatever 14:20:06 we could fix https://toabctl.de/openstack/rpm-packaging-status-stein.html which should show opne reviews 14:20:39 Thomas Bechtold proposed openstack/rpm-packaging master: neutron-lib: Update to 1.24.0 https://review.openstack.org/639678 14:23:21 cmurphy: yep, I thought the view from tom above automatically tracks open reviews 14:23:34 it might take some time (an hour or so) to update though 14:23:57 hmm 14:24:09 I think I need to update the tool on the server. I'll have a look 14:24:20 that said the "reviews" column is empty. so something is broken? 14:24:21 ok, thanks 14:24:49 anything else for today? cmurphy want to finish the PTL or not PTL discussion here? 14:25:15 sure 14:26:24 i don't have much else to say 14:26:45 cmurphy: my feeling is that I haven't much participated in pushing the growth of the project as well as participated in community goals like e.g. https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/stein/index.html 14:26:58 we still don't have most packaging python3 first or python3 compatible 14:27:31 so I think its a fair thought to say that we're not able to keep progress on those (or not even sure if/how upgradechecks would apply to packaging) 14:27:46 we haven't e.g. established a good plan around how to package the upgradecheck tooling for example 14:27:46 most of those community goals don't really apply to packaging and deployment projects 14:27:48 reviews are fixed in the view (but adding links would be nice but would need a changeset) 14:28:20 python3 goal was about running ci tests with python3 14:28:22 toabctl: thanks! 14:28:51 which we actually did accomplish mostly by switching basepython=python3 in tox.ini 14:29:55 i don't think the upgrade check really applies to us either 14:31:54 yeah and no 14:31:59 if there was something we needed to act on the goal champion would let us know 14:32:52 Thomas Bechtold proposed openstack/rpm-packaging master: neutron-lib: Update to 1.24.0 https://review.openstack.org/639678 14:33:31 cmurphy: right, my point is being only passive is not a good reason for being in the project. 14:34:30 is it a good reason to not be in the project? 14:36:02 i think having an openstack-sanctioned place to collaborate on packaging is a good thing for the community 14:36:32 I agree with that, there are projects where being part of the invite list is all that matters 14:36:52 in technical contributions I think saying you're in also gives you responsibility to do something about it 14:36:58 any my personal feeling was taht I'm not doing that 14:37:07 not saying a nother ptl wouldn't be doing that better ;) 14:38:23 maybe it's something to bring up to the tc for advice 14:42:19 I am not sure I can follow ? ;) 14:42:29 anyway, I'll talk to you about it outside the meeting 14:42:31 anything else? 14:42:36 would like to close the meeting for today 14:42:40 not from me 14:42:55 #endmeeting