18:07:38 <SergeyLukjanov> #startmeeting savanna 18:07:39 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Oct 31 18:07:38 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:07:40 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:07:43 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'savanna' 18:07:55 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Agenda 18:08:03 <SergeyLukjanov> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda#Agenda_for_October.2C_31 18:08:20 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Action items from the last meeting 18:09:34 <SergeyLukjanov> hm 18:10:00 <SergeyLukjanov> let's discuss here design summit proposals that wasn't accepted 18:10:47 <SergeyLukjanov> any updates? 18:11:04 <aignatov> I've just sent the letter about retrospective results 18:11:11 <aignatov> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/Release_0.3_Retrospective 18:11:31 <crobertsrh> I've started a pad for post 0.3 dashboard enhancements. 18:11:35 <crobertsrh> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/EDP_dashboard_post_0.3 18:11:53 <aignatov> if someone wants to add more thoughts please edit this page about retro 18:13:21 <SergeyLukjanov> Trevor's requirements doc is on review 18:13:31 <mattf> SergeyLukjanov, update from me re drafting actions, still tbd. i should have some initial goals out to collaborators today. 18:13:51 <SergeyLukjanov> mattf, ok, great 18:14:57 <SergeyLukjanov> ok, let's move on 18:15:11 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Design summit update 18:15:29 <SergeyLukjanov> #link http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/savanna 18:15:50 <SergeyLukjanov> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Icehouse/Etherpads#Savanna 18:16:00 <SergeyLukjanov> any questions about the design summit? 18:16:44 <SergeyLukjanov> ok 18:17:06 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic News / updates 18:17:09 <SergeyLukjanov> folks, please 18:17:53 <SergeyLukjanov> update from me - we start working on moving integration tests to CI 18:18:00 <SergeyLukjanov> I mean jenkins.o.o 18:18:06 <mattf> savanna got a lot of play during strata & hadoop world this week. i did an unconference session and discussed it quite a bit. there's a good amount of interest. there was also the rax + hwx preso and plans. 18:18:34 <ruhe> i'd like to hear more about rax + hwx 18:18:42 <ruhe> in regards to savanna 18:18:57 <SergeyLukjanov> mattf, interesting, could you, please, share some minutes and slides from strata for savanna-related stuff? 18:19:13 <mattf> me too actually. it was in the last slot yesterday. i had to leave 5 min into it. i just got to talk to rnirmal et al before it. 18:19:30 <mattf> i'm going to find the video and see if there were questions as they went through the presentation. 18:20:16 <mattf> SergeyLukjanov, i'll pull some notes together after summit and share points of interest 18:20:27 <SergeyLukjanov> mattf, thank you 18:21:14 <SergeyLukjanov> #info Reminder: The Nov 7 meeting is canceled. We’ll resume meetings on Nov 14. 18:21:57 <SergeyLukjanov> anything else? 18:22:15 <mattf> what are the next steps for the retrospective? 18:23:07 <aignatov> hmm, good question, page is done, need to think how to turn ideas for improvements into the real life :) 18:23:27 <mattf> definitely 18:23:40 <aignatov> most thoughts were about review process 18:23:40 <SergeyLukjanov> yep :) 18:23:49 <jspeidel> question - the patch that provides oozie support in hdp plugin was just merged. For EDP, how does savanna controller know where oozie is running to execute jobs? 18:24:29 <SergeyLukjanov> I think that we can discuss retrospective at the next team meeting 18:24:55 <mattf> aignatov, the way we've run them, folks rank the items, we pick 1 or 2 and create a plan to address for the next release 18:25:47 <aignatov> jspeidel, edp controller knows about running uzi by looking at cluster info 18:26:11 <aignatov> afaik your pathc includes ooze url to cluster info 18:26:49 <jspeidel> aignatov, are you looking for specific node process names? 18:26:57 <jspeidel> in cluster info? 18:26:58 <aignatov> mattf, good idea 18:27:41 <aignatov> jspiedel, yes, we are looking for http://host:11000/oozie in cluster info 18:27:54 <aignatov> after that edp goes to ooze through rest 18:28:08 <jspeidel> ok 18:28:30 <SergeyLukjanov> I think that there are no updates in "Roadmap cleanup / update" 18:28:44 <SergeyLukjanov> and we're already in "General discussion" 18:29:43 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic General discussion 18:30:25 <Guest70023> jspeidel, client = o.OozieClient(cluster['info']['JobFlow']['Oozie'] + "/oozie") 18:30:42 <aignatov> mattf, you wanna run the votes to rank the items in retro? 18:30:55 <nprivalova> guest is me :) 18:31:08 <aignatov> nprivalova, thx, I meant the same exactly :) 18:31:28 <ruhe> aignatov, i don't think we need votes 18:31:31 <mattf> aignatov, i'd rather not. i'm short on time atm. 18:31:34 <ruhe> all the items are important 18:32:11 <mattf> aignatov, you could just try to pull out 3-4 themes, send them out a day or two before the next meeting, then we discuss which we should do at the next meeting 18:32:38 <SergeyLukjanov> ruhe, agreed 18:32:51 <mattf> i see 3 themes right off -- reviews, collaboration and process/housekeeping 18:32:55 <SergeyLukjanov> in fact there are 3-4 major themes at all 18:32:59 <aignatov> mattf, agreed, will do 18:33:24 <aignatov> SergeyLukjanov, please add AI on me 18:34:07 <SergeyLukjanov> #action aignatov to start retrospective discussion 18:34:13 <mattf> it also looks like few people responded to the poll 18:34:18 <aignatov> btw, only 5 contributors are answered , I waited for more answers;) 18:34:31 <ruhe> i'd let PTL to decide and convert retrospective results into action items 18:35:06 <aignatov> rune, we need just to start discussions about items in retro 18:35:26 <aignatov> rune -> ruhe, sorry 18:35:28 <mattf> i wish i had thought of it myself - the comment on 100x line commits is really insightful 18:35:47 <mattf> there was a thread on os-dev about patch set sizes recently too 18:36:27 <mattf> proper review of some of the reviews we have in process are a good day+ of work 18:36:32 <SergeyLukjanov> yeah, big CRs are very painful to review 18:37:07 <mattf> i'm about to launch the discussion on that one, but i'll hold off til our next meeting 18:37:15 * mattf zips lips 18:37:33 <SergeyLukjanov> in addition we can discuss it at summit 18:37:44 * mattf nods 18:37:50 <jspeidel> agreed 18:38:03 <alazarev> usually it is possible to split big commit into several smaller. May be we need some guidance? 18:38:14 <mattf> +10 18:38:41 <SergeyLukjanov> I think that there could not be the common guidance for splitting code 18:38:43 <mattf> that guidance can come from well defined purpose of change etc 18:38:46 * mattf rezips 18:39:18 <ruhe> hmm 18:39:31 <ruhe> that should be already covered somewhere on openstack wiki 18:40:12 <aignatov> the main problem of big patches I saw sometime on the review, that the certain patch contains not only certain fix but some unrelated code impovements 18:40:17 <SergeyLukjanov> yeah, there are some recommendations to not create large CRs 18:41:54 <mattf> there's also an issue w/ the number of iterations on reviews. not that 1 is a desirable number, but >12 raises a flag for me 18:42:04 <mattf> especially when only 4 people are reviewing 18:42:14 <mattf> but...we should discuss later 18:42:21 <alazarev> with the official doc, reviewers could request to split big commit into smallers 18:42:24 <SergeyLukjanov> at most it relates to CR size 18:42:32 <jspeidel> yes, will be good do discuss in person 18:43:06 <nprivalova> btw, recently in mail I saw the statement 'if you send cr you should review someone's code' 18:43:30 <mattf> ^^ is something we should facilitate imho 18:43:36 <SergeyLukjanov> agreed 18:43:43 <mattf> it's something a strong community supports 18:44:12 <SergeyLukjanov> btw http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/savanna-reviewers-30.txt looks not very good 18:44:48 <ruhe> for alazarev it looks very good :) 18:44:49 <mattf> we should kick off this discussion next week 18:45:15 <aignatov> after next week, mattf 18:45:26 <SergeyLukjanov> and next week (on summit) too 18:45:29 <mattf> time is compressed for me atm 18:45:32 <alazarev> review is a good way to get inside the project :) 18:45:47 <aignatov> alazarev, +2 18:47:13 <SergeyLukjanov> are there anything more to discuss? 18:47:52 <mattf> nothing from me 18:48:13 <ruhe> jspeidel, could you shed some light on hwx + rax? is it savanna spinning up HDP clusters? 18:49:06 <jspeidel> ruhe, I really don't have any info at the moment. I will try to have some answers for next week 18:49:24 <ruhe> ok, thanks 18:49:28 <jspeidel> yep 18:50:24 <SergeyLukjanov> looks like that's all for today 18:50:27 <SergeyLukjanov> thank you all 18:50:39 <SergeyLukjanov> #info JFYI you can always use openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailing lists and #savanna irc channel to find us and ask your questions 18:50:42 <SergeyLukjanov> #endmeeting