18:06:46 <SergeyLukjanov> #startmeeting savanna 18:06:47 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Nov 14 18:06:46 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:06:48 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:06:51 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'savanna' 18:07:10 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Agenda 18:07:12 <SergeyLukjanov> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda 18:07:40 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Action items from the last meeting 18:07:58 * SergeyLukjanov aignatov to start retrospective discussion 18:08:21 <aignatov> as far as i remember I should pick up one thing from what didn't work well 18:08:35 <aignatov> and initiate the discussion 18:08:40 <aignatov> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/Release_0.3_Retrospective 18:08:49 <aignatov> just posted retrospective page 18:09:24 <SergeyLukjanov> it's about already achieved results 18:09:41 <SergeyLukjanov> let's discuss it later on the meeting if you have no results right now 18:09:50 <SergeyLukjanov> I'll add section to the meeting agenda 18:10:01 <aignatov> ok 18:10:05 <SergeyLukjanov> there are no other action items from last meetings 18:10:08 <mattf> that'll give the rest of us time to swap those pages back in too 18:10:22 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Summit results 18:10:50 <SergeyLukjanov> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Icehouse/Etherpads#Savanna 18:11:18 <SergeyLukjanov> here are the etherpads from the savanna design summity 18:11:46 <mattf> nice job running the design sessions btw 18:11:55 <SergeyLukjanov> mattf, thank you 18:12:10 <SergeyLukjanov> thank you all guys for etherpads preparation help 18:12:14 <aignatov> I think we should see at summary sections,right and sections marked yellow 18:13:01 <aignatov> crobertsh and tmckay did you get guys Savanna t-shirts from mattf? ;) 18:13:22 <mattf> not yet 18:13:27 <crobertsrh> I have not yet got mine, but I'm not local to his office 18:13:30 * mattf just got home ~24 hours ago 18:13:33 <crobertsrh> I suspect it is on the way :) 18:14:42 <SergeyLukjanov> mattf, oh, I've return home about 24 hours ago too 18:14:44 <SergeyLukjanov> :) 18:15:07 <mattf> i'm hoping to put them in the mail this week (err, tomorrow?) 18:15:07 <aignatov> Sergey, what are our plans with these etherpads - will we write one more document with results, send to ML and create needed bps? 18:15:35 <SergeyLukjanov> aignatov, exactly 18:16:22 <SergeyLukjanov> aignatov, we have several subtopics, I think I prepare joined results overview and send them to ML 18:17:01 <aignatov> ok, great 18:17:26 <SergeyLukjanov> hm, looks like nothing to discuss more on this topic right no, I think that we'll eventually cover on following meetings allquestions from design summit 18:17:33 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic News / updates 18:17:39 <SergeyLukjanov> guys, please 18:17:45 <SergeyLukjanov> no news from my side 18:17:55 <mattf> openstack summit in hong kong -- that happened... 18:18:06 <SergeyLukjanov> only double jet lag :) 18:18:10 <aignatov> jmaron, here? It seems issue with hadoop log dir is fixed by Vadim's patch 18:18:52 <crobertsrh> I've been implementing "download job binary" in the dashboard. Small feature, but something that was on my list for awhile. I have a few other minor enhancements for the UI that I'll be getting to next week. 18:18:53 <SergeyLukjanov> btw there a lot of cool bars in HKG with awesome views 18:19:58 <SergeyLukjanov> any other news/updates? 18:20:02 <aignatov> crobertsrh, thx, in the design tracks about edp we decided to get UI better from EDP perspective 18:20:43 <crobertsrh> Sounds great. I'll take a look at the etherpad. 18:21:36 <SergeyLukjanov> ok, let's move on 18:21:39 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Roadmap cleanup / update 18:21:51 <SergeyLukjanov> looks like that's time to rename 1.0 to Icehouse ;) 18:21:56 <mattf> +2 18:21:57 <aignatov> +2 18:21:57 <SergeyLukjanov> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/Roadmap 18:22:22 <SergeyLukjanov> ok 18:22:49 <SergeyLukjanov> I hope that we'll understand teams throughput for I in few weeks and cleanup roadmap/bps for it 18:22:56 <mattf> Fedora & RDO integration are arguably in for 0.3. we'll keep enhancing the integration, but the base work is done. 18:23:28 <SergeyLukjanov> correct 18:24:38 <SergeyLukjanov> btw Icehouse release date is April, 17 18:24:44 <SergeyLukjanov> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule 18:25:02 <aignatov> and Icehouse-1 on Dec 5 18:25:32 <SergeyLukjanov> yep 18:25:38 <aignatov> I think we should plan what will be included tin icehouse-1 18:25:49 <mattf> +1 18:26:09 <aignatov> akuznetsov, here? 18:26:17 <akuznetsov> yes 18:26:30 <SergeyLukjanov> yeah, it looks like that we have only few weeks to make patches for icehouse-1 18:26:35 <aignatov> will you send external hdfs support? 18:27:00 <SergeyLukjanov> external hdfs, edp in hdp, polished trusts, swift auth url fix 18:27:29 <akuznetsov> I will do it tommorrow 18:27:41 <mattf> reviewing swift auth atm, sergey is quick 18:28:17 <SergeyLukjanov> akuznetsov, great 18:28:50 <SergeyLukjanov> let's collect ideas about icehouse-1 plans till the next meeting 18:28:56 <aignatov> alazarev, here? today we realised that problem with Hive could be fixed by changing the swift patch for hadoop by the following way - removing credentials from core-site and add the ability for Hadoop using tenant id and authenticating using it without credentilas 18:29:01 <aignatov> something like that 18:29:04 <alazarev> here 18:29:41 <SergeyLukjanov> there is a problem with tokens - they could expire 18:30:51 <alazarev> and how to authenticate without credentials? 18:31:25 <SergeyLukjanov> alazarev, the only way is to use trusts and obtain tokens using them from swift 18:31:41 <SergeyLukjanov> but it'll require some service user credentials in swift too 18:31:48 <SergeyLukjanov> sounds very comple 18:31:50 <SergeyLukjanov> complex 18:32:05 <akuznetsov> possible we should consider oAuth mechanize for this 18:32:06 <alazarev> agree, sounds complex 18:32:21 <aignatov> yep, the problem is still here :( 18:32:35 <alazarev> is bug filed for a problem? where can I find more details? 18:32:37 <SergeyLukjanov> I don't know the current oauth impl status 18:32:50 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic General discussion 18:33:06 <SergeyLukjanov> jspeidel, here? 18:35:23 <aignatov> alazarev, I'm looking for it 18:37:19 <mattf> aignatov, i'm reading over the retrospective and think we could effectively take on bp lifecycle and bug-scrub days for icehouse 18:37:53 <crobertsrh> Yes, +1 for bug-scrub days 18:38:02 <SergeyLukjanov> yep, we'll need some 18:38:12 <aignatov> mattf, exactly, ++ 18:38:21 <SergeyLukjanov> let's have one on the next week 18:38:52 <SergeyLukjanov> what's about Tue? 18:38:54 <SergeyLukjanov> Nov, 19 18:39:21 <aignatov> + 18:40:41 * mattf imagines team scrubbing and bp management will also help w/ collaboration improvement 18:41:11 <SergeyLukjanov> ok, if there are no objections than we'll have bug/bp scrub/cleanup day next Tue 18:41:23 <mattf> tmckay, crobertsrh, ^^? 18:41:35 <tmckay> sounds good to me 18:41:36 <crobertsrh> Tuesday is great for me 18:42:17 <aignatov> Hortonworks guys here? Will they attend Tue bug-scrub? 18:42:19 <mattf> if you guys want to do it earlier in the day, i can do 9:30-10:30ET or 12:00ET (helps our west coast friends) 18:42:43 <mattf> let's ping them in email 18:43:18 <aignatov> ET is what in UTC? 18:43:28 * mattf looks it up 18:44:31 <mattf> i think it's -5 atm 18:44:40 <mattf> it's currently 1:45ET 18:44:46 <SergeyLukjanov> usually it's a all-day event when we'll communicate using irc and post comments to the bugs about their actual state 18:45:22 <mattf> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=43 18:45:58 <mattf> SergeyLukjanov, hmm, how do you usually do a bug scrub? 18:46:09 <mattf> ...what's the process you've used in the past? 18:46:56 <aignatov> mattf, btw did you resolve issue with '16 of 20 core used'? ;) 18:47:34 <mattf> aignatov, i think so. i've not been able to run my latest test. 18:47:35 <SergeyLukjanov> we should start from cleaning all bugs 18:47:45 <mattf> i've a very strong feeling it is pebkac 18:48:16 <SergeyLukjanov> all bugs should be rechecked/triaged and their statuses should be updated 18:48:29 <SergeyLukjanov> to sync our efforts we'll use #savanna 18:48:38 <aignatov> mattf, what is pebkac? 18:48:47 <mattf> aignatov, basically i think my flavor was too big and during provisioning i ran over quota. rollback cleaned up resulting in 0 used when i would go and look after getting the error. 18:48:50 <ruhe> mattf, they invented abbreviation even for this :) 18:49:08 <mattf> aignatov, problem exists between keyboard and chair -- user error 18:49:46 <aignatov> xD 18:49:56 <mattf> SergeyLukjanov, i imagine the rechecking will be a time consuming component 18:49:57 <SergeyLukjanov> :) 18:50:05 <SergeyLukjanov> yep 18:50:24 <SergeyLukjanov> so, I hope that most part of savanna folks will participate in it 18:50:40 <tmckay> looks like I only have a meeting on Tues from 10:30-11:30 EST, so I can pay attention to #savanna for bug scrub 18:50:52 <mattf> aignatov, oh, jetlag... i did retest and it was indeed quota overrun during provisioning. i was never successful at starting the cluster because i am using a fedora image and HDP Plugin only supports CentOS 18:50:54 <tmckay> all day :) 18:51:08 * mattf just checked and the cluster has been in "configuring" for 6 days 18:51:19 <SergeyLukjanov> it's named "bugday" in OpenStack 18:51:31 <mattf> SergeyLukjanov, is there a wiki page about it? 18:51:38 <SergeyLukjanov> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BugDays 18:52:01 <SergeyLukjanov> there are no details 18:52:06 <SergeyLukjanov> but in few words 18:52:29 <SergeyLukjanov> that's a day when volunteers rechecks bugs and updates their statuses using irc to sync 18:52:45 <mattf> The next day will happen on July 12th, 2012 18:52:46 <mattf> oof 18:53:01 <tmckay> is there food? ;-) 18:53:04 <aignatov> mattf, well at least now you know what problem is 18:53:13 <SergeyLukjanov> yep, they sending emails to ML about bug days sometimes 18:53:25 <SergeyLukjanov> w/o any schedule afaik 18:53:28 <SergeyLukjanov> on-demand event 18:53:39 <mattf> aignatov, and it's a difficult to diagnose error, esp when half asleep 18:53:50 <aignatov> bug day doesn't touch blueprints, right? 18:54:03 <SergeyLukjanov> I think let's start from bugs 18:54:28 <ruhe> according to #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints blueprints is PTL's responsibility 18:54:37 <mattf> if we start from blueprints and roadmap we have a chance at prioritizing bugs for the scrub 18:54:37 <SergeyLukjanov> ruhe, yep 18:54:49 <SergeyLukjanov> before cleaning bps we should finalize plans for icehouse-1 18:55:22 <SergeyLukjanov> let's start from the bug day and I'll clean current BPs 18:55:36 * mattf checks how many bugs exist atm 18:55:40 <SergeyLukjanov> and we discuss plans for the i-1 at the next irc 18:56:03 <mattf> https://bugs.launchpad.net/savanna 18:56:11 <mattf> 62 atm 18:56:31 <SergeyLukjanov> yep, that's enough to check 18:56:55 <SergeyLukjanov> #info Nov, 19 Savanna bug day 18:57:04 <SergeyLukjanov> I'll send it to ML 18:57:13 <SergeyLukjanov> and ping HW folks 18:57:14 <mattf> tmckay, crobertsrh, you could skip that call on tues 18:57:24 <mattf> ErikB, welcome 18:57:25 <tmckay> mattf, okey doke 18:57:31 <crobertsrh> :) 18:57:44 <SergeyLukjanov> that's a all day long event, so, call isn't the problem :) 18:57:48 <ErikB> mattf, hey there 18:58:03 <SergeyLukjanov> ErikB, o/ 18:58:07 <mattf> ErikB, we're talking about doing a full day bug scrub on the 19th 18:58:15 <tmckay> SergeyLukjanov, don't say that, give us an excuse ;-) 18:58:16 <ErikB> Hi Everyone 18:58:34 <aignatov> hi, ErikB, did you get Savanna t-shirt from jspiedel? ;) 18:58:41 <mattf> aignatov, lol 18:58:58 <ErikB> aignatov, I did. It's very cool. thank you 18:59:29 <aignatov> yep, mattf, the same question at the end :) 18:59:33 <mattf> ErikB, the bug scrub would be all day triage (rechecking, update details, prioritize) bugs 18:59:34 <SergeyLukjanov> tmckay, oops, on the other side, there shouldn't be any calls to have a good bug day ;) 18:59:48 <mattf> SergeyLukjanov, lol 19:00:04 <ErikB> did we join the meeting an hour late? 19:00:05 <tmckay> got it, bug day is the priority 19:00:26 <aignatov> ErikB, yes 19:00:36 <jspeidel> sorry, we had a time change 19:00:43 <jspeidel> didn't account for that 19:00:44 <ErikB> My apologies, I did not adjust for time change on our end... 19:00:52 <jmaron> doh! I knew I hated going off DST... 19:00:57 <mattf> ErikB, think of it as 167 hours early 19:01:09 <ErikB> ;-) 19:01:46 <mattf> nirmal around? 19:01:55 <SergeyLukjanov> we're out of time 19:01:58 <SergeyLukjanov> thank you all 19:02:02 <mattf> ciao 19:02:26 <SergeyLukjanov> #info JFYI you can always use openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailing lists and #savanna irc channel to find us and ask your questions 19:02:30 <SergeyLukjanov> #endmeeting