18:06:46 <SergeyLukjanov> #startmeeting savanna
18:06:47 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Nov 14 18:06:46 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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18:06:51 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'savanna'
18:07:10 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Agenda
18:07:12 <SergeyLukjanov> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda
18:07:40 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Action items from the last meeting
18:07:58 * SergeyLukjanov aignatov to start retrospective discussion
18:08:21 <aignatov> as far as i remember I should pick up one thing from what didn't work well
18:08:35 <aignatov> and initiate the discussion
18:08:40 <aignatov> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/Release_0.3_Retrospective
18:08:49 <aignatov> just posted retrospective page
18:09:24 <SergeyLukjanov> it's about already achieved results
18:09:41 <SergeyLukjanov> let's discuss it later on the meeting if you have no results right now
18:09:50 <SergeyLukjanov> I'll add section to the meeting agenda
18:10:01 <aignatov> ok
18:10:05 <SergeyLukjanov> there are no other action items from last meetings
18:10:08 <mattf> that'll give the rest of us time to swap those pages back in too
18:10:22 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Summit results
18:10:50 <SergeyLukjanov> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Icehouse/Etherpads#Savanna
18:11:18 <SergeyLukjanov> here are the etherpads from the savanna design summity
18:11:46 <mattf> nice job running the design sessions btw
18:11:55 <SergeyLukjanov> mattf, thank you
18:12:10 <SergeyLukjanov> thank you all guys for etherpads preparation help
18:12:14 <aignatov> I think we should see at summary sections,right and sections marked yellow
18:13:01 <aignatov> crobertsh and tmckay did you get guys Savanna t-shirts from mattf? ;)
18:13:22 <mattf> not yet
18:13:27 <crobertsrh> I have not yet got mine, but I'm not local to his office
18:13:30 * mattf just got home ~24 hours ago
18:13:33 <crobertsrh> I suspect it is on the way :)
18:14:42 <SergeyLukjanov> mattf, oh, I've return home about 24 hours ago too
18:14:44 <SergeyLukjanov> :)
18:15:07 <mattf> i'm hoping to put them in the mail this week (err, tomorrow?)
18:15:07 <aignatov> Sergey, what are our plans with these etherpads - will we write one more document with results, send to ML and create needed bps?
18:15:35 <SergeyLukjanov> aignatov, exactly
18:16:22 <SergeyLukjanov> aignatov, we have several subtopics, I think I prepare joined results overview and send them to ML
18:17:01 <aignatov> ok, great
18:17:26 <SergeyLukjanov> hm, looks like nothing to discuss more on this topic right no, I think that we'll eventually cover on following meetings allquestions from design summit
18:17:33 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic News / updates
18:17:39 <SergeyLukjanov> guys, please
18:17:45 <SergeyLukjanov> no news from my side
18:17:55 <mattf> openstack summit in hong kong -- that happened...
18:18:06 <SergeyLukjanov> only double jet lag :)
18:18:10 <aignatov> jmaron, here? It seems issue with hadoop log dir is fixed by Vadim's patch
18:18:52 <crobertsrh> I've been implementing "download job binary" in the dashboard.  Small feature, but something that was on my list for awhile.  I have a few other minor enhancements for the UI that I'll be getting to next week.
18:18:53 <SergeyLukjanov> btw there a lot of cool bars in HKG with awesome views
18:19:58 <SergeyLukjanov> any other news/updates?
18:20:02 <aignatov> crobertsrh, thx, in the design tracks about edp we decided to get UI better from EDP perspective
18:20:43 <crobertsrh> Sounds great.  I'll take a look at the etherpad.
18:21:36 <SergeyLukjanov> ok, let's move on
18:21:39 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic Roadmap cleanup / update
18:21:51 <SergeyLukjanov> looks like that's time to rename 1.0 to Icehouse ;)
18:21:56 <mattf> +2
18:21:57 <aignatov> +2
18:21:57 <SergeyLukjanov> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/Roadmap
18:22:22 <SergeyLukjanov> ok
18:22:49 <SergeyLukjanov> I hope that we'll understand teams throughput for I in few weeks and cleanup roadmap/bps for it
18:22:56 <mattf> Fedora & RDO integration are arguably in for 0.3. we'll keep enhancing the integration, but the base work is done.
18:23:28 <SergeyLukjanov> correct
18:24:38 <SergeyLukjanov> btw Icehouse release date is April, 17
18:24:44 <SergeyLukjanov> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule
18:25:02 <aignatov> and Icehouse-1 on Dec 5
18:25:32 <SergeyLukjanov> yep
18:25:38 <aignatov> I think we should plan what will be included tin icehouse-1
18:25:49 <mattf> +1
18:26:09 <aignatov> akuznetsov, here?
18:26:17 <akuznetsov> yes
18:26:30 <SergeyLukjanov> yeah, it looks like that we have only few weeks to make patches for icehouse-1
18:26:35 <aignatov> will you send external hdfs support?
18:27:00 <SergeyLukjanov> external hdfs, edp in hdp, polished trusts, swift auth url fix
18:27:29 <akuznetsov> I will do it tommorrow
18:27:41 <mattf> reviewing swift auth atm, sergey is quick
18:28:17 <SergeyLukjanov> akuznetsov, great
18:28:50 <SergeyLukjanov> let's collect ideas about icehouse-1 plans till the next meeting
18:28:56 <aignatov> alazarev, here? today we realised that problem with Hive could be fixed by changing the swift patch for hadoop by the following way - removing credentials from core-site and add the ability for Hadoop using tenant id and authenticating using it without credentilas
18:29:01 <aignatov> something like that
18:29:04 <alazarev> here
18:29:41 <SergeyLukjanov> there is a problem with tokens - they could expire
18:30:51 <alazarev> and how to authenticate without credentials?
18:31:25 <SergeyLukjanov> alazarev, the only way is to use trusts and obtain tokens using them from swift
18:31:41 <SergeyLukjanov> but it'll require some service user credentials in swift too
18:31:48 <SergeyLukjanov> sounds very comple
18:31:50 <SergeyLukjanov> complex
18:32:05 <akuznetsov> possible we should consider oAuth mechanize for this
18:32:06 <alazarev> agree, sounds complex
18:32:21 <aignatov> yep, the problem is still here :(
18:32:35 <alazarev> is bug filed for a problem? where can I find more details?
18:32:37 <SergeyLukjanov> I don't know the current oauth impl status
18:32:50 <SergeyLukjanov> #topic General discussion
18:33:06 <SergeyLukjanov> jspeidel, here?
18:35:23 <aignatov> alazarev, I'm looking for it
18:37:19 <mattf> aignatov, i'm reading over the retrospective and think we could effectively take on bp lifecycle and bug-scrub days for icehouse
18:37:53 <crobertsrh> Yes, +1 for bug-scrub days
18:38:02 <SergeyLukjanov> yep, we'll need some
18:38:12 <aignatov> mattf, exactly, ++
18:38:21 <SergeyLukjanov> let's have one on the next week
18:38:52 <SergeyLukjanov> what's about Tue?
18:38:54 <SergeyLukjanov> Nov, 19
18:39:21 <aignatov> +
18:40:41 * mattf imagines team scrubbing and bp management will also help w/ collaboration improvement
18:41:11 <SergeyLukjanov> ok, if there are no objections than we'll have bug/bp scrub/cleanup day next Tue
18:41:23 <mattf> tmckay, crobertsrh, ^^?
18:41:35 <tmckay> sounds good to me
18:41:36 <crobertsrh> Tuesday is great for me
18:42:17 <aignatov> Hortonworks guys here? Will they attend Tue bug-scrub?
18:42:19 <mattf> if you guys want to do it earlier in the day, i can do 9:30-10:30ET or 12:00ET (helps our west coast friends)
18:42:43 <mattf> let's ping them in email
18:43:18 <aignatov> ET is what in UTC?
18:43:28 * mattf looks it up
18:44:31 <mattf> i think it's -5 atm
18:44:40 <mattf> it's currently 1:45ET
18:44:46 <SergeyLukjanov> usually it's a all-day event when we'll communicate using irc and post comments to the bugs about their actual state
18:45:22 <mattf> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=43
18:45:58 <mattf> SergeyLukjanov, hmm, how do you usually do a bug scrub?
18:46:09 <mattf> ...what's the process you've used in the past?
18:46:56 <aignatov> mattf, btw did you resolve issue with '16 of 20 core used'? ;)
18:47:34 <mattf> aignatov, i think so. i've not been able to run my latest test.
18:47:35 <SergeyLukjanov> we should start from cleaning all bugs
18:47:45 <mattf> i've a very strong feeling it is pebkac
18:48:16 <SergeyLukjanov> all bugs should be rechecked/triaged and their statuses should be updated
18:48:29 <SergeyLukjanov> to sync our efforts we'll use #savanna
18:48:38 <aignatov> mattf, what is pebkac?
18:48:47 <mattf> aignatov, basically i think my flavor was too big and during provisioning i ran over quota. rollback cleaned up resulting in 0 used when i would go and look after getting the error.
18:48:50 <ruhe> mattf, they invented abbreviation even for this :)
18:49:08 <mattf> aignatov, problem exists between keyboard and chair -- user error
18:49:46 <aignatov> xD
18:49:56 <mattf> SergeyLukjanov, i imagine the rechecking will be a time consuming component
18:49:57 <SergeyLukjanov> :)
18:50:05 <SergeyLukjanov> yep
18:50:24 <SergeyLukjanov> so, I hope that most part of savanna folks will participate in it
18:50:40 <tmckay> looks like I only have a meeting on Tues from 10:30-11:30 EST, so I can pay attention to #savanna for bug scrub
18:50:52 <mattf> aignatov, oh, jetlag... i did retest and it was indeed quota overrun during provisioning. i was never successful at starting the cluster because i am using a fedora image and HDP Plugin only supports CentOS
18:50:54 <tmckay> all day :)
18:51:08 * mattf just checked and the cluster has been in "configuring" for 6 days
18:51:19 <SergeyLukjanov> it's named "bugday" in OpenStack
18:51:31 <mattf> SergeyLukjanov, is there a wiki page about it?
18:51:38 <SergeyLukjanov> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BugDays
18:52:01 <SergeyLukjanov> there are no details
18:52:06 <SergeyLukjanov> but in few words
18:52:29 <SergeyLukjanov> that's a day when volunteers rechecks bugs and updates their statuses using irc to sync
18:52:45 <mattf> The next day will happen on July 12th, 2012
18:52:46 <mattf> oof
18:53:01 <tmckay> is there food? ;-)
18:53:04 <aignatov> mattf, well at least now you know what problem is
18:53:13 <SergeyLukjanov> yep, they sending emails to ML about bug days sometimes
18:53:25 <SergeyLukjanov> w/o any schedule afaik
18:53:28 <SergeyLukjanov> on-demand event
18:53:39 <mattf> aignatov, and it's a difficult to diagnose error, esp when half asleep
18:53:50 <aignatov> bug day doesn't touch blueprints, right?
18:54:03 <SergeyLukjanov> I think let's start from bugs
18:54:28 <ruhe> according to #link  https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints blueprints is PTL's responsibility
18:54:37 <mattf> if we start from blueprints and roadmap we have a chance at prioritizing bugs for the scrub
18:54:37 <SergeyLukjanov> ruhe, yep
18:54:49 <SergeyLukjanov> before cleaning bps we should finalize plans for icehouse-1
18:55:22 <SergeyLukjanov> let's start from the bug day and I'll clean current BPs
18:55:36 * mattf checks how many bugs exist atm
18:55:40 <SergeyLukjanov> and we discuss plans for the i-1 at the next irc
18:56:03 <mattf> https://bugs.launchpad.net/savanna
18:56:11 <mattf> 62 atm
18:56:31 <SergeyLukjanov> yep, that's enough to check
18:56:55 <SergeyLukjanov> #info Nov, 19 Savanna bug day
18:57:04 <SergeyLukjanov> I'll send it to ML
18:57:13 <SergeyLukjanov> and ping HW folks
18:57:14 <mattf> tmckay, crobertsrh, you could skip that call on tues
18:57:24 <mattf> ErikB, welcome
18:57:25 <tmckay> mattf, okey doke
18:57:31 <crobertsrh> :)
18:57:44 <SergeyLukjanov> that's a all day long event, so, call isn't the problem :)
18:57:48 <ErikB> mattf, hey there
18:58:03 <SergeyLukjanov> ErikB, o/
18:58:07 <mattf> ErikB, we're talking about doing a full day bug scrub on the 19th
18:58:15 <tmckay> SergeyLukjanov, don't say that, give us an excuse ;-)
18:58:16 <ErikB> Hi Everyone
18:58:34 <aignatov> hi, ErikB, did you get Savanna t-shirt from jspiedel? ;)
18:58:41 <mattf> aignatov, lol
18:58:58 <ErikB> aignatov, I did. It's very cool. thank you
18:59:29 <aignatov> yep, mattf, the same question at the end :)
18:59:33 <mattf> ErikB, the bug scrub would be all day triage (rechecking, update details, prioritize) bugs
18:59:34 <SergeyLukjanov> tmckay, oops, on the other side, there shouldn't be any calls to have a good bug day ;)
18:59:48 <mattf> SergeyLukjanov, lol
19:00:04 <ErikB> did we join the meeting an hour late?
19:00:05 <tmckay> got it, bug day is the priority
19:00:26 <aignatov> ErikB, yes
19:00:36 <jspeidel> sorry, we had a time change
19:00:43 <jspeidel> didn't account for that
19:00:44 <ErikB> My apologies, I did not adjust for time change on our end...
19:00:52 <jmaron> doh!  I knew I hated going off DST...
19:00:57 <mattf> ErikB, think of it as 167 hours early
19:01:09 <ErikB> ;-)
19:01:46 <mattf> nirmal around?
19:01:55 <SergeyLukjanov> we're out of time
19:01:58 <SergeyLukjanov> thank you all
19:02:02 <mattf> ciao
19:02:26 <SergeyLukjanov> #info JFYI you can always use openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailing lists and #savanna irc channel to find us and ask your questions
19:02:30 <SergeyLukjanov> #endmeeting