21:00:17 <oneswig> #startmeeting scientific-sig
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21:00:33 <oneswig> spelled it right, good start
21:00:42 <julianp> Heh.
21:00:45 <oneswig> hello...
21:00:48 <oneswig> hi julianp
21:01:01 <julianp> Hi oneswig! How are things?
21:01:36 <oneswig> Not too bad thanks.  Work is keeping me busy and the garden is growing.
21:01:41 <oneswig> How's Arizona - is that where you are?
21:03:27 <julianp> Arizona is surprisingly cold and windy right now.
21:04:15 <oneswig> It has been cold a night here, borderline frost, for over a week.  But really good in the day.
21:04:41 <oneswig> What's next for Exosphere?
21:05:07 <julianp> cmart is working on remote desktop integration.
21:05:36 <julianp> We want to improve the UX as well. If you know of anybody who has an eye for UX and knows (or wants to learn Elm) let us know.
21:05:57 <oneswig> Fascinating choice, Elm, I was thinking that in your talk.
21:06:35 <julianp> Very deliberate choice. It is a bit of a filter.
21:06:49 <oneswig> It's a pity that programming languages don't exist in a meritocracy.
21:07:16 <oneswig> I'm sure it deserves to be much more widely used.  How long did it take to master it?
21:07:45 <julianp> Meritocracy: Heh. Well, I think it's like tools. I can't say a wrench is better than pliers, because it depends on what you are trying to do.
21:08:23 <julianp> Elm is easy to get started with, but it took me a few months to get used to 'thinking' in Elm.
21:08:25 <oneswig> Right, true enough.  But there's definitely good wrenches and bad ones out there.
21:08:34 <julianp> Yup.
21:08:58 <oneswig> And think in Elm, now you do? :-)
21:09:25 <julianp> Well, at least I think in 'functional programming' terms. It's made me a better Python programmer I think.
21:09:54 <oneswig> Any comparisons with Haskell?
21:10:16 <b1airo> morning (here, not here - on Teams in another window)
21:10:19 <julianp> Yes. It's in the same family of programming languages.
21:10:27 <oneswig> g'day b1airo
21:10:30 <julianp> Hi b1airo!
21:10:33 <oneswig> #chair b1airo
21:10:34 <openstack> Current chairs: b1airo oneswig
21:10:48 <julianp> Elm is a much simpler and 'smaller' programming language than Haskell though.
21:10:55 <oneswig> b1airo: thought you were a Zoom shop?
21:12:18 <oneswig> Perhaps it will take over.  Python made such a colossal mistake with 2 vs 3, it seems, I hope other languages have taken notice.
21:14:16 <oneswig> I'll get to reprise your talk julianp as I have been invited to participate in the OpenInfra Live session on Thursday with a PTG wrap-up on the SIG session.
21:14:45 <julianp> Cool. What does 'reprise' mean? Anything I can do to help?
21:15:19 <oneswig> Perhaps it's the wrong term, er, how about "talk about again"
21:16:05 <oneswig> No further help needed, I just need to be articulate for ~5 minutes straight.
21:16:16 <julianp> Righto.
21:16:50 <julianp> Please let people know that we are looking for an Elm developer if anybody is interested in helping out.
21:17:04 <oneswig> I will try to remember!
21:17:10 <julianp> Thank you!
21:18:29 <oneswig> I think Elias was also plugging that they were hiring, seems like scientific cloud is a demand area
21:18:44 <julianp> Excellent.
21:20:08 <oneswig> julianp: did you follow other sessions in the PTG?
21:20:08 <julianp> Any idea when the next OpenStack survey will go out?
21:20:32 <julianp> oneswig: No, unfortunately not. What were the highlights for you?
21:20:59 <oneswig> not sure on the survey.  It's a good question - now that the summits for this year are replaced with a rolling open infra live, there's no single event to tie it to
21:21:51 <oneswig> PTG events, I didn't attend others but I was aware of the Linuxbridge discussion coming up in the Neutron sessions and wanted to make sure the users were aware
21:23:22 <martial> hello
21:23:31 <oneswig> Some of the team shared some interesting pieces from Nova discussions
21:23:40 <oneswig> Hi martial, how did it go :-)
21:23:43 <oneswig> #chair martial
21:23:44 <openstack> Current chairs: b1airo martial oneswig
21:24:08 <martial> still going but magic of the internet I guess :)
21:24:59 <oneswig> You're live-streaming from the dentist's chair?  That's commitment!
21:28:18 <oneswig> Just looking at the link Ümit shared - https://fosdem.org/2021/schedule/event/eessi/
21:33:29 <julianp> That looks interesting.
21:35:27 <oneswig> Fosdem is one of those events that just couldn't be socially distanced.  One day I will go and feel triumphant
21:39:39 <verdurin> I've been semi-participating in EESSI.
21:40:04 <oneswig> Hello verdurin
21:40:26 <verdurin> Not normally here, and may run off at any moment - hello.
21:40:40 <oneswig> Who is behind EESSI?
21:41:33 <verdurin> Various European sites - Groningen, SurfSARA, Ghent, Brussels plus plenty of others, now including some Nordics.
21:42:35 <oneswig> Good to know.
21:43:17 <oneswig> Is it purely a northern thing?
21:44:38 <verdurin> Hmm, don't remember there being Spanish or Italian involvement. However, I only fitfully follow along.
21:45:08 <oneswig> Is this an Easybuild connection?
21:45:52 <verdurin> Yes.
21:47:30 <oneswig> What does EESSI do for a scheduler?
21:48:05 <verdurin> Think they're focused more on applications.
21:48:45 <oneswig> Ah, right.
21:51:22 <oneswig> That's well worth staying up for but I don't think there's anything else to cover.  Any other business?
21:54:41 <oneswig> OK, let's close there.  Thanks everyone
21:54:44 <oneswig> #endmeeting