09:00:44 #startmeeting scientific-wg 09:00:45 Meeting started Wed Aug 3 09:00:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 09:00:46 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 09:00:48 The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' 09:01:14 Greetings EMEAns 09:01:34 Good morning 09:01:36 good morning :) 09:01:43 good morning! 09:01:46 Morning. 09:01:50 Morning ( james@sanger) 09:01:59 unusual nick... 09:02:06 morning! 09:02:35 #link Agenda for today (such as it is) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_August_3rd_2016 09:02:42 morning 09:02:55 good morning 09:03:26 Hello all. I heard from b1airo earlier but I'll give him a prod, hold on 09:04:49 Ah, he'll be here in 10 mins, lets press on 09:05:24 #topic COA courses for students 09:05:36 Anne are you here? 09:05:38 I am! 09:05:47 Hello, thanks for coming! 09:05:59 Would you like to talk over the course? 09:06:13 Thanks for having me! 09:06:21 Just a quick announcement for those who work with students! The Foundation recently launched a student pricing option for the Certified OpenStack Administrator (COA) exam. The student pricing is 50% off, and is available to current and recently graduated students who can show a current student ID, or a student ID that has expired in the last 90 days. For students and recent grads who have experience working on OpenStack, 09:06:21 COA is a great way for them to distinction and validation to the work they’ve done, particularly for those who are beginning to search for jobs in the industry. 09:07:18 There’s a page specifically for students at http://www.openstack.org/coa/student, but I’m more than happy to chat with anyone who has questions, or student groups/individuals about specifics. Reachable at anne@openstack.org 09:07:28 Is it an exam only or is there online material and a syllabus to work through? 09:07:44 The exam is only online, and can be scheduled at your convenience 09:08:11 what’s covered on the exam is available here: http://www.openstack.org/coa/requirements 09:08:48 Looks like plenty to be getting on with there... 09:08:52 we recommend people sitting the exam have approximately 6 months experience on OpenStack, but you can also get a feel for what will be covered via the requirements, and people may feel ready to sit with less experience than that 09:09:57 How do people show a student ID to qualify for the discount? 09:10:18 Good question! There is a live proctor during your exam, and they will ask for ID. This is the time you will show the student ID 09:10:58 If students do not have an ID for whatever reason, any official uni document that shows current, active enrollment will suffice 09:11:40 Are there restrictions on the kind of student - PhD students and post-docs? 09:12:25 No restrictions! The rules are fairly generous since our intent was about making this accessible to current students, as well as recent graduates. If a student has graduated in the last 90 days, they are still eligilbe for the discount 09:12:52 If people have feedback on the requirements for receiving the discount, I’m all ears. This is mostly about giving students the opportunity to sit the exam 09:13:34 One thought: it might be helpful to qualify students before they enter the exam. What if they find at that point that their discount is invalid? 09:13:57 Unfortunately, the way it is set up now, their exam will end, and their fee will be applied to a full price exam 09:14:08 The one year between buying the exam and taking might make it harder to verify 09:14:21 That’s a great point 09:14:57 The exam is able to be scheduled up to a year after purchase, so we should review how that fits with the student qualificaiton 09:15:43 This is a brand new feature, so we’re still finding the roadblocks and loopholes :) 09:16:14 I am sure we can work around it if we are aware. 09:16:19 I think it has a lot of potential, I'm happy to help with that exercise 09:16:31 That would be great! Would love input 09:16:59 Any other questions/comments for annabelleonabike? 09:17:31 annabelleonabike: how can we give feedback later - to anne@openstack.org or on a mailing list? 09:17:41 anne@openstack.org is probably best 09:18:17 OK that's great. Thanks Anne for coming to talk with the WG 09:18:33 I am sure this will be a useful thing at our university 09:18:38 Thanks so much! 09:19:04 #topic Superuser award for Research / Government 09:19:22 annabelleonabike also mentioned we have a new awards category 09:19:35 to be handed out at the keynotes in Barcelona (I guess) 09:19:53 Yes! I’m very excited about this. The Superuser award is now broken out into four categories, including a Research/Gov category. So we’d love to see you all apply! 09:20:07 #link Superuser awards http://superuser.openstack.org/awards 09:20:14 howdy 09:20:21 Evening b1airo 09:20:24 #chair b1airo 09:20:25 Current chairs: b1airo oneswig 09:20:31 is this self-nominating stuff? 09:21:24 Can be self nominated or you can nominate another org 09:21:37 annabelleonabike: tnx 09:22:18 looks interesting! 09:22:27 annabelleonabike - that's a mouthful, thankful for autocomplete :-) 09:22:55 thanks for coming by the way 09:23:14 thanks for having me! 09:24:02 annabelleonabike: typically there has been a regional tie with the winning superuser. Is that implicit or is it declared somewhere? 09:24:28 Like CERN wins at the Paris show, NTT wins in Tokyo, AT&T in Austin, etc. 09:24:52 Ah, that would just be conicidence. No regional influence. 09:25:22 ah ok thanks 09:25:46 Any further discussion on this? 09:25:57 so the news here is that there's a new category for "Research / Government" ? 09:26:22 b1airo: that's it. Double points for governmental research 09:26:40 ha 09:27:00 ok, should nominate NeCTAR 09:27:23 might suggest it on our mailing list 09:27:26 Well overdue I'd say. 09:27:41 And if you win, you can buy us all a beer :-) 09:28:12 ok, lets move on? 09:28:32 #topic Upcoming OpenStack / HPC events 09:28:57 So I put this on the agenda because they are apparently like buses, and this week I had 3 mails 09:29:27 I thought it might be good to make an ad-hoc calendar of OpenStack and scientific computing events 09:29:45 nice idea 09:29:54 I saw these things: 09:30:03 or even an actual calendar... public google like? 09:30:31 Curious about the London one, for which I haven't seen any notification yet 09:30:34 b1airo: Might be good, should be easy to organise 09:31:08 I suppose you all know of https://www.openstack.org/community/events/ 09:31:14 September 15th is Bristol OpenStack day - https://openstackday.uk - not many confirmed speakers as yet 09:32:00 September 22nd is an OpenStack London meetup, but verdurin you're right it doesn't appear to be on the site yet (http://www.meetup.com/Openstack-London/) 09:32:20 priteau, no i was not aware of that o_0 09:32:20 Its just after the lusre user group too. 09:32:21 That one is sponsored by Mellanox with an OpenStack HPC theme 09:34:03 I also had a mail for this OpenStack/HPC workshop in Luxembourg, December 12-15: http://2016cloudcom.ux.uis.no/conf/workshops/hpcloudsys.html 09:34:06 hmm, there's a concord flying overhead bristol... bit old? 09:34:33 b1airo: just you wait for our proud city's next supersonic airliner :-) 09:36:28 priteau: The events link is good but I wish it was in a form that could present more relevant content. I'm not interested in meetups in Atlanta for example. 09:36:40 oneswig++ 09:36:42 oneswig: Yes, I wish we could filter by location 09:36:50 the location filter should be a must 09:36:51 Perhaps the thing to do is to work on refactoring this page instead of reinventing 09:37:12 I'll note that 09:37:41 #action oneswig to enquire on the OpenStack.org events page to make it more regional 09:38:13 ... and present in ical format too so it can be slotted into a google calendar 09:38:54 I put this item on the agenda in case there were other events coming up in this region that people knew about? 09:39:08 would a research/HPC category also make sense? 09:39:50 enolfc: It would certainly help improve the ranking of events, I'd say 09:40:03 That events list should also enforce showing some details about each event 09:40:12 so you can see at a glance whether it's relevant to you. 09:40:14 It would need to be more generic, maybe mirroring the awards "Enterprise,Public cloud service provider,Research / government organization,Telecom " 09:40:27 verdurin: right, I saw some that were empty, full of TBD 09:40:35 enolfc++ 09:41:00 Is this one to take to the user-committee mailing list? 09:41:33 seeing lots of events is great for reassurance that the community is active, but yes, filtering/localising is needed to make relevant events easier to find 09:41:35 yep i'd say so 09:41:50 OK I'll get onto that. Good point DaveH 09:42:39 Anything to add here? 09:43:39 #topic Tracking WG activities in Trello 09:44:06 Late item on the agenda this one. b1airo had a good idea of organising and tracking things better 09:44:17 possibly worth adding that SC stuff has closed and that we have the confirmed panel and a BoF proposal submitted 09:44:40 b1airo: on the coat-tails, good point 09:45:52 yeah so i set this up a while ago but haven't done much of a job of gardening it yet - https://trello.com/b/fzgRxJrJ 09:46:36 might have a go at hacking up a script that can push actions from irc logs into trello list 09:46:46 Ah, yes. Actions from IRC meetings ought to become tickets in Trello. Great idea. 09:46:53 Can the script then perform the action, I wonder? 09:47:11 import ai 09:47:48 I'm guilty of neglecting this board, will endeavour to use it more 09:48:13 And I hope it'll become generally useful for any WG activities, it is open to group members 09:48:22 it should be publicly visible, and more than happy to give other people access if they want to get involved 09:48:49 just didn't want to make it publicly editable to avoid spam (assuming that's a problem for trello too) 09:49:12 b1airo: good point. 09:49:16 ( I really dislike trello :) ) 09:49:32 so it trello more for a todo list management or is there tie in with outcomes? 09:49:53 zz9pzza, fair enough, i'm agnostic, mostly dislike working :-) 09:50:18 jpr: it's just for recording tasks and tracking them. A to-do list on steroids 09:50:46 There's more involved/interconnected things out there but this seems to be the lightest of lightweight task trackers 09:50:46 jpr, mainly to-do, but depends on how you use it 09:51:32 in my experience it is good for coordinating a disparate team (along with chat of course) 09:51:51 I like this idea of coupling with the IRC meetings, good one b1airo 09:52:24 Anything else for this before we go to AOB? 09:52:47 #topic Any other business 09:52:57 What's new everyone? 09:53:50 oneswig: any news on that white paper you mentioned a while ago? 09:54:29 It is coming on, I have a self-imposed deadline to get two topics to draft for expert review this week before I go on holiday next week 09:55:16 Problem is, I started with the topic "HPC and the overhead of virtualisation", and when ever I add some content that has a bit of substance to it, I realise it's better off in one of the other sections 09:55:26 So it's a slow but steady process thus far. 09:55:47 that's a big/wide topic 09:55:50 I am hoping to share links to the WG from 2 weeks time 09:56:05 DaveH: right, easy to do a big paper, hard to do a small one! 09:56:22 hmm network hiccup 09:56:30 wondered what we'd said... 09:56:42 I was wondering: how is Mirantis' move to non-Kolla containerised deployment going to affect Kolla? Good or bad for Kolla? 09:56:48 sorry about that, what was the last thing i successfully said? 09:57:15 b1airo: about trello - coordinating a disparate team 09:57:23 bad presumably (mirantis could be contributing) 09:57:35 ok, so then i said: 09:57:41 anyway, there's one task there that i haven't gotten back to for some time - summarising Austin etherpads 09:57:46 i've been thinking about this and would like some help 09:57:51 planning to create a new page or pages on the wiki where some condensed write-ups can be placed for posterity along with a bit of a general intro to HPC/Research computing on OpenStack 09:57:56 e.g., maybe a w.o.o/hpc 09:58:26 Flanders previously mentioned a "landing page" of this kind 09:58:38 wonder if i could get any volunteers to work on summaries of any of the activity areas? 09:59:13 I can take user stories 09:59:45 b1airo: suggest this on the mailing list 10:00:01 I think Mike Lowe offered to help on these a while back 10:00:33 verdurin: good idea, circumvents the time zone issues of WG meetings 10:00:42 verdurin, yep will do, mainly just wanted some feedback on this from the die hards :-) 10:01:11 #action b1airo to mail the list for help summarising WG activity areas 10:01:16 I'd like to help, but I wasn't at Austin and free-time extremely limited at present 10:01:52 Thanks verdurin, could do with some help reviewing the white papers - I've got your number 10:01:55 OK everyone, we are out of time again 10:02:00 Let's wrap up 10:02:12 Thanks for joining 10:02:18 verdurin, no probs, totally sympathise with that problem 10:02:31 #endmeeting