21:01:22 <oneswig> #startmeeting scientific_wg 21:01:23 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Apr 18 21:01:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:01:24 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:01:27 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' 21:01:38 <oneswig> Greetings all 21:01:43 <trandles> hello 21:01:59 <oneswig> #link Agenda for today is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_April_18th_2017 21:02:04 <oneswig> Hi trandles 21:02:24 <oneswig> Martial is at DockerCon and will join intermittently 21:02:51 <trandles> I presume b1airo is on a bus ;) 21:03:19 <oneswig> We've heard of stranger things! 21:04:29 <oneswig> trandles: should we jump to the evening social while people gather? 21:04:39 <trandles> sure, I can update 21:05:00 <trandles> A contract has been signed and a deposit paid for The Chart House 21:05:19 <trandles> 70 person attendance is no problem 21:05:36 <trandles> We've got the space from 7:00-10:00 pm 21:05:40 <oneswig> trandles: can you share a link to the Chart House? 21:06:02 <trandles> #link http://www.chart-house.com/locations/boston/ 21:06:38 <oneswig> Aha, thanks 21:06:58 <oneswig> Do we get the outside space too? 21:07:44 <trandles> We have several "levels" of menu available based on $/person. From those levels we have to do something like "pick 3 of the following 4 entrees." I was planning to put the entrees up for a vote. 21:08:10 <trandles> Not sure about the outside space. I have an email in to their coordinator already and will follow-up with that. 21:09:07 <oneswig> trandles: might be one of those times when democracy is not the optimal outcome. I might consider choosing a balance yourself as nobody's going to put the salad as #1, you may otherwise end up with 3x dishes of fried stuff 21:09:28 <trandles> lol, ok 21:09:47 <trandles> I think we'll end up with 1 vegetarian option (pasta) and 2 others 21:10:07 <trandles> The menu has to be set by April 26 21:10:11 <oneswig> Thanks BTW for doing so much legwork on this. An inclusive spread of options like that seems good 21:10:26 <trandles> no problem 21:10:58 <oneswig> flanders_: are you there David? 21:11:05 <flanders_> Hi 21:11:09 <trandles> Heyo 21:11:13 <oneswig> Hi Flanders! 21:11:18 <oneswig> Top of the morning to ya 21:11:34 <trandles> I've asked their coordinator if the sponsors can send the money straight to the Chart House. Waiting to hear back on that. 21:11:37 <flanders_> G'Day to all yoos 21:11:53 <oneswig> trandles: great idea that. Much much simpler. I really hope they can 21:12:11 <trandles> It would be easier if it went straight to them and we worked out the menu, etc. before hand and didn't have to muck about with it the night of 21:12:44 <trandles> So long as no one in our group starts smashing up the place. :P Which I think is highly unlikely. 21:13:27 <oneswig> trandles: with this approach there's the question of rounding error. Say we get 65 tickets but budget for 70. That's money that ought not have gone to the venue. Could get tricky 21:14:13 <trandles> True. And I was wondering what we'd do with leftover funds if that happened. 21:14:19 <oneswig> In Barcelona Colin picked up the rest of the tab, which worked out (mostly by luck) to be about $4 within budget. 21:14:37 <oneswig> trandles: best avoided by design 21:14:42 <trandles> indeed 21:15:00 <trandles> I'm not positive that all sponsors will have someone present either 21:15:29 <oneswig> trandles: and miss the chance to make an after-dinner speech? Unthinkable :-) 21:15:31 <trandles> I'd like to have the financials worked out ASAP and go back and request what we need within their offers 21:16:01 <trandles> But that's waiting on hearing back from the coordinator... 21:16:45 <trandles> Anyway, I'll get some marketing logos in the next day or two and get the eventbrite page up and going 21:17:16 <oneswig> me too, makes sense to work it out in advance. Ideally I'd keep >=1 vendor present and paying on the night. Helps with taking up any slack 21:17:36 <oneswig> let me know what I can do to help 21:18:03 <oneswig> OK, we should cover the rest of the summit too... 21:18:08 <trandles> I'll email RE: vendor reps. My vendor isn't sure who is attending from his company... 21:18:32 <oneswig> trandles: I'm pretty sure there will be staff present from the other two 21:19:02 <trandles> thx...that's all I have... 21:19:11 <oneswig> OK, let's move on. Thanks Tim 21:19:38 <oneswig> #topic Meeting agenda 21:20:05 <oneswig> OK so we also have business to discuss and ought to start thinking about what to put into the meeting agenda. 21:20:28 <oneswig> #link All summit planning goes under here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Scientific-WG-boston 21:22:02 <oneswig> I think it's a good idea to start from the previous summit agenda and adapt 21:22:13 <oneswig> I'll see if I can dig it up 21:23:16 <oneswig> #link last summit agenda here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-wg-barcelona-agenda 21:24:06 <oneswig> Hi Martial, you there? 21:24:18 <martial> Hi stig, yes, I am here 21:24:34 <oneswig> We are just looking at agenda items for Boston 21:24:40 <oneswig> #chair martial 21:24:41 <openstack> Current chairs: martial oneswig 21:24:56 <martial> will be a little distracted likely, but will be around 21:27:51 <martial> #chair b1airo 21:27:52 <openstack> Current chairs: b1airo martial oneswig 21:27:52 <oneswig> OK I added 3 core items 21:27:56 <oneswig> Hi b1airo 21:28:17 <trandles> oneswig: do you want to ask if there is any activity/resolution to the follow-up to Austin items or are they "ancient history?" In particular I was thinking of Tim's accounting/quota stuff. 21:28:25 <b1airo> Hi all, apologies - this is proving a difficult time for skool mornings 21:28:53 <oneswig> Understandable. Agenda item for new time slots perhaps? 21:29:07 <oneswig> trandles: I think that's a good idea for completeness 21:29:15 <oneswig> I just fouled up the formatting, will fix.. 21:29:35 <b1airo> trandles: yes perhaps we can link to the specs / user-stories (or whatever we are calling them now)? 21:30:26 <trandles> that topic has received some attention lately on the mailing list 21:30:31 <trandles> I'll look for the thread 21:30:58 <oneswig> er... do you remember what our activity areas were back then?? 21:31:16 <trandles> they were listed on the Barca etherpad 21:31:24 <martial> I think Tim had his own slot in the forum at this point on that topic 21:31:36 <oneswig> Ah, quite so! 21:31:49 <martial> I remember seeing an email thread from speaker support on this 21:31:55 <jmlowe> I actually had to start reporting usage since Austin, I can let people know what I did 21:32:09 <b1airo> Austin? That's where we set them for the first time? Federation, HPFS, high-performance networking, ... ? 21:32:54 <trandles> I linked his forum session on the agenda 21:33:39 <oneswig> b1airo: User stories 21:33:50 <jmlowe> rbudden sends his regrets for not being able to make today's meeting, btw 21:34:08 <oneswig> Ah, too bad 21:35:02 <oneswig> OK, what more to add on the etherpad for the Boston meeting agenda? 21:35:43 <jmlowe> looks kind of full for 40 minutes to me 21:36:57 <oneswig> I think so too... 21:37:22 <oneswig> #topic Boston lightning talks 21:37:44 <oneswig> OK so we ought to start casting the net for talks, right? 21:37:53 <oneswig> Is it too early? 21:38:19 <martial> oneswig: can you please reshare the link for the etherpad 21:38:20 <b1airo> Only 3 weeks away! 21:38:37 <oneswig> martial: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Scientific-WG-boston 21:39:00 <oneswig> b1airo: as soon as that? OK, lets go for it. 21:39:18 <oneswig> Is the best plan a mail to openstack-operators for this? 21:39:36 <martial> oneswig thanks 21:39:36 <oneswig> And should we see about a small prize to sharpen the interest 21:40:20 <martial> fti, I will also have the cyborg team make a small 5 minute into so that the few of us that want to talk to them can do so on their own time 21:40:25 <martial> fyi 21:40:38 <oneswig> I think it'll take several channels of publicity to raise awareness but mailing list is a start 21:40:57 <oneswig> martial: sounds useful to me 21:41:13 <jmlowe> I did very well the last time I went up for a small prize 21:41:39 <b1airo> So long as it doesn't require any branding 21:41:42 <oneswig> aha, think your luck's still in, eh? 21:41:55 <martial> jmlowe: what my line ... ah yes "poster" :) 21:42:09 <b1airo> oneswig: u could present remotely!? 21:42:36 <oneswig> "and now, by live satellite linkup, through at least seven openstack clouds ... ... ... and next ..." 21:42:42 <jmlowe> second time he's been asked that today 21:43:09 <oneswig> I perfect this, and I get to live on a desert island - deal? 21:43:43 <oneswig> I'm not sure it'd work for a lightning talk, although the consequences could be hilarious 21:44:16 <b1airo> Could pre record if u have material 21:44:48 <oneswig> b1airo: will consider it... 21:44:49 <martial> oneswig: do a demo :) 21:45:37 <oneswig> I can take the task to mail on the lists, and ask around re: prize 21:46:06 <oneswig> jmlowe: I've heard one should have three watches to truly know the time, right? 21:46:32 <jmlowe> I'll let you know when I get the third 21:47:29 <oneswig> (for the rest of the room, jmlowe attends a conference in Switzerland, and wins a watch - he's lucky it wasn't a cuckoo clock) 21:47:34 <jmlowe> Although I could offer it up a la stanley cup, winner of the best talk keeps it till the next summit 21:48:04 <jmlowe> much easier to pack than the second prize drone 21:48:26 <trandles> congrats jmlowe 21:48:33 <oneswig> indeed! 21:48:50 <trandles> I'm sure you declared it to customs ;) 21:48:59 <jmlowe> I was just under the limit 21:49:05 <trandles> \o/ 21:49:10 <trandles> it's a free-for-all! 21:49:20 <oneswig> OK, I'll take an action on that. More for lightning talks? 21:49:59 <b1airo> How many? 21:50:11 <oneswig> 5 minutes apiece? 10? 21:50:17 <b1airo> 4... 10mins each? 21:50:23 <oneswig> Oh hang on, it's 40 mins... 21:50:48 <oneswig> 10 mins is on the long side I'd say 21:50:51 <jmlowe> 5 @ 8 min would be my vote 21:51:09 <b1airo> Going by last time, 6 mins was problematicly short I recall? 21:51:30 <martial> being on those presenters, 6 minutes was short :) 21:51:34 <b1airo> Question time? 21:51:39 <oneswig> 8 mins looks good to me. 21:51:43 <oneswig> Questions in the BoF? 21:52:13 <jmlowe> speaking of short, we are almost out of time today if there is anything pressing 21:52:24 <oneswig> good grief you're right 21:52:25 <b1airo> Maybe 4x 8mins then, to leave question/discussion time at the end and house keeping 21:52:30 <jmlowe> also I hear my children have arrived 21:52:43 <oneswig> #topic cloud congress 21:52:53 <oneswig> OK, couple of quick points here: 21:53:15 <oneswig> #link do register on Eventbrite: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/boston-open-research-cloud-workshop-tickets-31893256589 21:53:32 <oneswig> #link do review the agenda taking shape: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4Y7flFgUgf9dElkaFkwbUhKblU?usp=sharing 21:54:21 <oneswig> Any updates on the cloud congress? 21:54:43 <martial> nothing that I saw 21:54:52 <oneswig> OK, let's wrap up 21:54:55 <oneswig> #topic AOB 21:55:03 <oneswig> I saw this - http://intel.cmail20.com/t/ViewEmail/d/C316287F828160FA/ 21:55:21 <oneswig> Intel are open-sourcing all their lustre work and discontinuing commercial support 21:55:23 <trandles> I read last week's logs. +1 a scientific-wg IRC channel. Any updates on that? 21:55:32 <oneswig> A good thing? 21:55:40 <jmlowe> trandles beat me to it 21:55:40 <oneswig> trandles: ah, forgot, whoopsy 21:55:55 <oneswig> apologies, will follow up for next time 21:56:01 <martial> trandles: like that 21:56:11 <b1airo> If it makes their support better then it's a good thing 21:56:32 <trandles> b1airo: +1 support 21:56:41 <b1airo> Seems to suck at the moment 21:57:01 <b1airo> In APAC anyway 21:57:04 <trandles> if it's going to be opensource I'm probably not going to fry for saying that we're working to get lustre 2.9+ on linux version 4 kernels 21:57:14 <oneswig> I think they are withdrawing the enterprise support, not sure where that leaves their subscribers 21:57:26 <jmlowe> bring on the ceph? 21:57:34 <oneswig> trandles: with CentOS 5 run time? 21:57:48 <b1airo> Ceph FTW 21:57:52 <martial> :) 21:57:57 <trandles> oneswig: nothing before CentOS 6 unfortunately 21:58:09 <trandles> although my need is for CentOS 7 21:58:10 <oneswig> phew... 21:58:39 <oneswig> there was also this, did you see they are pulling the plug on OSIC: http://fortune.com/2017/04/14/intel-openstack-project-rackspace/ 21:59:10 <oneswig> And no IDF: https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/intel-developer-forum-idf/san-francisco/2017/idf-2017-san-francisco.html 21:59:26 <oneswig> The new broom sweeps clean at Intel... 21:59:54 <trandles> indeed 21:59:54 <flanders_> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2017-April/002484.html 22:00:24 <trandles> flanders_: thanks for that, had been wondering... 22:00:28 <martial> when should I tell the cyborg team that they should be availble btw? 22:00:35 <martial> (which of our 3 slots?) 22:00:45 <oneswig> martial: for the lightning talks I'd say 22:00:57 <martial> okay 22:01:08 <oneswig> flanders_: thanks 22:01:22 <flanders_> Intel and Rax are divorcing, both are committed to Openstack still FTR 22:01:52 <oneswig> Ah, out of time. It's going to be an interesting summit! 22:01:57 <b1airo> martial: probably also the BoF 22:01:59 <flanders_> +1 22:02:05 <oneswig> gotta close up 22:02:12 <oneswig> Thanks everyone 22:02:17 <oneswig> #endmeeting