21:01:22 <oneswig> #startmeeting scientific_wg
21:01:23 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Apr 18 21:01:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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21:01:38 <oneswig> Greetings all
21:01:43 <trandles> hello
21:01:59 <oneswig> #link Agenda for today is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_April_18th_2017
21:02:04 <oneswig> Hi trandles
21:02:24 <oneswig> Martial is at DockerCon and will join intermittently
21:02:51 <trandles> I presume b1airo is on a bus ;)
21:03:19 <oneswig> We've heard of stranger things!
21:04:29 <oneswig> trandles: should we jump to the evening social while people gather?
21:04:39 <trandles> sure, I can update
21:05:00 <trandles> A contract has been signed and a deposit paid for The Chart House
21:05:19 <trandles> 70 person attendance is no problem
21:05:36 <trandles> We've got the space from 7:00-10:00 pm
21:05:40 <oneswig> trandles: can you share a link to the Chart House?
21:06:02 <trandles> #link http://www.chart-house.com/locations/boston/
21:06:38 <oneswig> Aha, thanks
21:06:58 <oneswig> Do we get the outside space too?
21:07:44 <trandles> We have several "levels" of menu available based on $/person.  From those levels we have to do something like "pick 3 of the following 4 entrees."  I was planning to put the entrees up for a vote.
21:08:10 <trandles> Not sure about the outside space.  I have an email in to their coordinator already and will follow-up with that.
21:09:07 <oneswig> trandles: might be one of those times when democracy is not the optimal outcome.  I might consider choosing a balance yourself as nobody's going to put the salad as #1, you may otherwise end up with 3x dishes of fried stuff
21:09:28 <trandles> lol, ok
21:09:47 <trandles> I think we'll end up with 1 vegetarian option (pasta) and 2 others
21:10:07 <trandles> The menu has to be set by April 26
21:10:11 <oneswig> Thanks BTW for doing so much legwork on this. An inclusive spread of options like that seems good
21:10:26 <trandles> no problem
21:10:58 <oneswig> flanders_: are you there David?
21:11:05 <flanders_> Hi
21:11:09 <trandles> Heyo
21:11:13 <oneswig> Hi Flanders!
21:11:18 <oneswig> Top of the morning to ya
21:11:34 <trandles> I've asked their coordinator if the sponsors can send the money straight to the Chart House.  Waiting to hear back on that.
21:11:37 <flanders_> G'Day to all yoos
21:11:53 <oneswig> trandles: great idea that.  Much much simpler.  I really hope they can
21:12:11 <trandles> It would be easier if it went straight to them and we worked out the menu, etc. before hand and didn't have to muck about with it the night of
21:12:44 <trandles> So long as no one in our group starts smashing up the place. :P  Which I think is highly unlikely.
21:13:27 <oneswig> trandles: with this approach there's the question of rounding error.  Say we get 65 tickets but budget for 70.  That's money that ought not have gone to the venue.  Could get tricky
21:14:13 <trandles> True.  And I was wondering what we'd do with leftover funds if that happened.
21:14:19 <oneswig> In Barcelona Colin picked up the rest of the tab, which worked out (mostly by luck) to be about $4 within budget.
21:14:37 <oneswig> trandles: best avoided by design
21:14:42 <trandles> indeed
21:15:00 <trandles> I'm not positive that all sponsors will have someone present either
21:15:29 <oneswig> trandles: and miss the chance to make an after-dinner speech?  Unthinkable :-)
21:15:31 <trandles> I'd like to have the financials worked out ASAP and go back and request what we need within their offers
21:16:01 <trandles> But that's waiting on hearing back from the coordinator...
21:16:45 <trandles> Anyway, I'll get some marketing logos in the next day or two and get the eventbrite page up and going
21:17:16 <oneswig> me too, makes sense to work it out in advance.  Ideally I'd keep >=1 vendor present and paying on the night.  Helps with taking up any slack
21:17:36 <oneswig> let me know what I can do to help
21:18:03 <oneswig> OK, we should cover the rest of the summit too...
21:18:08 <trandles> I'll email RE: vendor reps.  My vendor isn't sure who is attending from his company...
21:18:32 <oneswig> trandles: I'm pretty sure there will be staff present from the other two
21:19:02 <trandles> thx...that's all I have...
21:19:11 <oneswig> OK, let's move on.  Thanks Tim
21:19:38 <oneswig> #topic Meeting agenda
21:20:05 <oneswig> OK so we also have business to discuss and ought to start thinking about what to put into the meeting agenda.
21:20:28 <oneswig> #link All summit planning goes under here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Scientific-WG-boston
21:22:02 <oneswig> I think it's a good idea to start from the previous summit agenda and adapt
21:22:13 <oneswig> I'll see if I can dig it up
21:23:16 <oneswig> #link last summit agenda here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-wg-barcelona-agenda
21:24:06 <oneswig> Hi Martial, you there?
21:24:18 <martial> Hi stig, yes, I am here
21:24:34 <oneswig> We are just looking at agenda items for Boston
21:24:40 <oneswig> #chair martial
21:24:41 <openstack> Current chairs: martial oneswig
21:24:56 <martial> will be a little distracted likely, but will be around
21:27:51 <martial> #chair b1airo
21:27:52 <openstack> Current chairs: b1airo martial oneswig
21:27:52 <oneswig> OK I added 3 core items
21:27:56 <oneswig> Hi b1airo
21:28:17 <trandles> oneswig: do you want to ask if there is any activity/resolution to the follow-up to Austin items or are they "ancient history?"  In particular I was thinking of Tim's accounting/quota stuff.
21:28:25 <b1airo> Hi all, apologies - this is proving a difficult time for skool mornings
21:28:53 <oneswig> Understandable.  Agenda item for new time slots perhaps?
21:29:07 <oneswig> trandles: I think that's a good idea for completeness
21:29:15 <oneswig> I just fouled up the formatting, will fix..
21:29:35 <b1airo> trandles: yes perhaps we can link to the specs / user-stories (or whatever we are calling them now)?
21:30:26 <trandles> that topic has received some attention lately on the mailing list
21:30:31 <trandles> I'll look for the thread
21:30:58 <oneswig> er... do you  remember what our activity areas were back then??
21:31:16 <trandles> they were listed on the Barca etherpad
21:31:24 <martial> I think Tim had his own slot in the forum at this point on that topic
21:31:36 <oneswig> Ah, quite so!
21:31:49 <martial> I remember seeing an email thread from speaker support on this
21:31:55 <jmlowe> I actually had to start reporting usage since Austin, I can let people know what I did
21:32:09 <b1airo> Austin? That's where we set them for the first time? Federation, HPFS, high-performance networking, ... ?
21:32:54 <trandles> I linked his forum session on the agenda
21:33:39 <oneswig> b1airo: User stories
21:33:50 <jmlowe> rbudden sends his regrets for not being able to make today's meeting, btw
21:34:08 <oneswig> Ah, too bad
21:35:02 <oneswig> OK, what more to add on the etherpad for the Boston meeting agenda?
21:35:43 <jmlowe> looks kind of full for 40 minutes to me
21:36:57 <oneswig> I think so too...
21:37:22 <oneswig> #topic Boston lightning talks
21:37:44 <oneswig> OK so we ought to start casting the net for talks, right?
21:37:53 <oneswig> Is it too early?
21:38:19 <martial> oneswig: can you please reshare the link for the etherpad
21:38:20 <b1airo> Only 3 weeks away!
21:38:37 <oneswig> martial: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Scientific-WG-boston
21:39:00 <oneswig> b1airo: as soon as that?  OK, lets go for it.
21:39:18 <oneswig> Is the best plan a mail to openstack-operators for this?
21:39:36 <martial> oneswig thanks
21:39:36 <oneswig> And should we see about a small prize to sharpen the interest
21:40:20 <martial> fti, I will also have the cyborg team make a small 5 minute into so that the few of us that want to talk to them can do so on their own time
21:40:25 <martial> fyi
21:40:38 <oneswig> I think it'll take several channels of publicity to raise awareness but mailing list is a start
21:40:57 <oneswig> martial: sounds useful to me
21:41:13 <jmlowe> I did very well the last time I went up for a small prize
21:41:39 <b1airo> So long as it doesn't require any branding
21:41:42 <oneswig> aha, think your luck's still in, eh?
21:41:55 <martial> jmlowe: what my line ... ah yes "poster" :)
21:42:09 <b1airo> oneswig: u could present remotely!?
21:42:36 <oneswig> "and now, by live satellite linkup, through at least seven openstack clouds ... ... ... and next ..."
21:42:42 <jmlowe> second time he's been asked that today
21:43:09 <oneswig> I perfect this, and I get to live on a desert island - deal?
21:43:43 <oneswig> I'm not sure it'd work for a lightning talk, although the consequences could be hilarious
21:44:16 <b1airo> Could pre record if u have material
21:44:48 <oneswig> b1airo: will consider it...
21:44:49 <martial> oneswig: do a demo :)
21:45:37 <oneswig> I can take the task to mail on the lists, and ask around re: prize
21:46:06 <oneswig> jmlowe: I've heard one should have three watches to truly know the time, right?
21:46:32 <jmlowe> I'll let you know when I get the third
21:47:29 <oneswig> (for the rest of the room, jmlowe attends a conference in Switzerland, and wins a watch - he's lucky it wasn't a cuckoo clock)
21:47:34 <jmlowe> Although I could offer it up a la stanley cup, winner of the best talk keeps it till the next summit
21:48:04 <jmlowe> much easier to pack than the second prize drone
21:48:26 <trandles> congrats jmlowe
21:48:33 <oneswig> indeed!
21:48:50 <trandles> I'm sure you declared it to customs ;)
21:48:59 <jmlowe> I was just under the limit
21:49:05 <trandles> \o/
21:49:10 <trandles> it's a free-for-all!
21:49:20 <oneswig> OK, I'll take an action on that.  More for lightning talks?
21:49:59 <b1airo> How many?
21:50:11 <oneswig> 5 minutes apiece? 10?
21:50:17 <b1airo> 4... 10mins each?
21:50:23 <oneswig> Oh hang on, it's 40 mins...
21:50:48 <oneswig> 10 mins is on the long side I'd say
21:50:51 <jmlowe> 5 @ 8 min would be my vote
21:51:09 <b1airo> Going by last time, 6 mins was problematicly short I recall?
21:51:30 <martial> being on those presenters, 6 minutes was short :)
21:51:34 <b1airo> Question time?
21:51:39 <oneswig> 8 mins looks good to me.
21:51:43 <oneswig> Questions in the BoF?
21:52:13 <jmlowe> speaking of short, we are almost out of time today if there is anything pressing
21:52:24 <oneswig> good grief you're right
21:52:25 <b1airo> Maybe 4x 8mins then, to leave question/discussion time at the end and house keeping
21:52:30 <jmlowe> also I hear my children have arrived
21:52:43 <oneswig> #topic cloud congress
21:52:53 <oneswig> OK, couple of quick points here:
21:53:15 <oneswig> #link do register on Eventbrite: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/boston-open-research-cloud-workshop-tickets-31893256589
21:53:32 <oneswig> #link do review the agenda taking shape: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4Y7flFgUgf9dElkaFkwbUhKblU?usp=sharing
21:54:21 <oneswig> Any updates on the cloud congress?
21:54:43 <martial> nothing that I saw
21:54:52 <oneswig> OK, let's wrap up
21:54:55 <oneswig> #topic AOB
21:55:03 <oneswig> I saw this - http://intel.cmail20.com/t/ViewEmail/d/C316287F828160FA/
21:55:21 <oneswig> Intel are open-sourcing all their lustre work and discontinuing commercial support
21:55:23 <trandles> I read last week's logs.  +1 a scientific-wg IRC channel.  Any updates on that?
21:55:32 <oneswig> A good thing?
21:55:40 <jmlowe> trandles beat me to it
21:55:40 <oneswig> trandles: ah, forgot, whoopsy
21:55:55 <oneswig> apologies, will follow up for next time
21:56:01 <martial> trandles: like that
21:56:11 <b1airo> If it makes their support better then it's a good thing
21:56:32 <trandles> b1airo: +1 support
21:56:41 <b1airo> Seems to suck at the moment
21:57:01 <b1airo> In APAC anyway
21:57:04 <trandles> if it's going to be opensource I'm probably not going to fry for saying that we're working to get lustre 2.9+ on linux version 4 kernels
21:57:14 <oneswig> I think they are withdrawing the enterprise support, not sure where that leaves their subscribers
21:57:26 <jmlowe> bring on the ceph?
21:57:34 <oneswig> trandles: with CentOS 5 run time?
21:57:48 <b1airo> Ceph FTW
21:57:52 <martial> :)
21:57:57 <trandles> oneswig: nothing before CentOS 6 unfortunately
21:58:09 <trandles> although my need is for CentOS 7
21:58:10 <oneswig> phew...
21:58:39 <oneswig> there was also this, did you see they are pulling the plug on OSIC: http://fortune.com/2017/04/14/intel-openstack-project-rackspace/
21:59:10 <oneswig> And no IDF: https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/intel-developer-forum-idf/san-francisco/2017/idf-2017-san-francisco.html
21:59:26 <oneswig> The new broom sweeps clean at Intel...
21:59:54 <trandles> indeed
21:59:54 <flanders_> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2017-April/002484.html
22:00:24 <trandles> flanders_: thanks for that, had been wondering...
22:00:28 <martial> when should I tell the cyborg team that they should be availble btw?
22:00:35 <martial> (which of our 3 slots?)
22:00:45 <oneswig> martial: for the lightning talks I'd say
22:00:57 <martial> okay
22:01:08 <oneswig> flanders_: thanks
22:01:22 <flanders_> Intel and Rax are divorcing, both are committed to Openstack still FTR
22:01:52 <oneswig> Ah, out of time.  It's going to be an interesting summit!
22:01:57 <b1airo> martial: probably also the BoF
22:01:59 <flanders_> +1
22:02:05 <oneswig> gotta close up
22:02:12 <oneswig> Thanks everyone
22:02:17 <oneswig> #endmeeting