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11:01:50 <ildikov> o/
11:01:52 <b1airo> evening
11:02:03 <b1airo> #topic roll call
11:02:08 <ildikov> Afternoon :)
11:02:37 <b1airo> yes, would be more interesting to ask for a time call
11:04:34 <b1airo> not sure where oneswig has gotten to
11:04:41 <ildikov> the beauty of open source and a global community :)
11:04:48 <tomking> b1airo: hi, i'm on the same BoF as you at SC, happy to partake in this meeting
11:05:19 <b1airo> hi tomking! thanks for joining
11:05:29 <verdurin> Afternoon.
11:05:57 <b1airo> i was just following up on the BOF email thread - has taken me a while to come around to it
11:06:01 <b1airo> hi verdurin
11:06:04 <tomking> :-)
11:07:31 <b1airo> ok, in terms of agenda the SC17 BOF is really the main thing
11:08:04 <b1airo> though would also be good to find anyone else interested in participating in the Scientific OpenStack Lightning Talk session at the Sydney Summit
11:08:34 <b1airo> did anyone have AOB they want to add to the agenda? ildikov - perhaps a word on the wash-up with the hackathon?
11:08:54 <ildikov> I can give ORC updates
11:09:03 <b1airo> greata
11:09:09 <b1airo> *great
11:09:16 <ildikov> I have limited knowledge on the hackathon besides the fact that it's cancelled :(
11:09:23 <ildikov> but we can have a word about that too
11:09:38 <b1airo> ok let's get into it then...
11:09:55 <b1airo> #topic SC17 BOF
11:11:02 <b1airo> session details: http://sc17.supercomputing.org/presentation/?id=bof208&sess=sess389
11:11:26 <tomking> b1airo: what was the title of your orig bof before the merger?
11:12:24 <b1airo> that was it tomking
11:12:30 <b1airo> same title we used last year
11:12:46 <b1airo> i guess you weren't there last year?
11:13:07 <tomking> ok, so they've just squashed the storage bit into your orig
11:13:14 <b1airo> i've just minted a fresh etherpad to start agenda planning for it: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sc17-openstack-for-hpc-bof
11:13:25 <tomking> i was, sorry. jetlag excuse
11:14:20 <b1airo> yeah pretty much tomking, personally i think cloud - hpc-storage integration could be a bof of its own, but i guess it's easy to see why they were suggested to merge
11:15:07 <b1airo> i will dig up the etherpad we used last year as a reference point...
11:15:49 <tomking> ok, have the vendors suggested anything to you cover or have just me/bruno/simon been in touch?
11:15:51 <b1airo> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SC16_BOF_Openstack_for_HPC
11:17:45 <tomking> looking back i went to the panel not the bof last year
11:17:58 <b1airo> well I must admit I was fairly bullish with the vendor / vendor-reps and made it clear i only wanted to merge the actual user-institutions/practitioners in
11:19:35 <tomking> no complaints
11:21:09 <b1airo> so tomking, i take it you are expecting what seems to be the typical SC BOF format, i.e., set of short talks and then open discussion, potentially moderated within the BOF group but taking questions from the audience ?
11:22:25 <b1airo> last year we did not have that moderator role really, and i think perhaps it would have helped
11:22:47 <tomking> yes, in that there should/could encourage audience interaction
11:23:15 <tomking> the panel session was a bit more to and fro
11:23:34 <b1airo> we started with a set of high-level areas we were going to cover and then kind of went through them and let a few members of the BOF talk about specific points they had
11:24:05 <b1airo> yes, i think the panel session went alright (from what i remember anyway)
11:24:09 <tomking> ok, how many people turned up for the bof last year? 50-100?
11:24:21 <b1airo> it was standing room only
11:24:25 <tomking> !
11:24:58 <oneswig> Hello, apologies for my extreme lateness
11:24:58 <oneswig> someone nicked the chairs?
11:25:03 <b1airo> well, there were people standing i remember - though that doesn't mean there wasn't a row of seats empty at the front ;-)
11:25:21 <b1airo> hi there oneswig
11:25:24 <oneswig> it certainly was busy
11:25:26 <b1airo> #chair oneswig
11:25:28 <openstack> Current chairs: b1airo oneswig
11:25:34 <martial_> Hi guys (sorry on phone going to airport)
11:25:41 <oneswig> hi b1airo, evening
11:25:41 <oneswig> hi martial_, morning
11:25:44 <b1airo> no probs martial_
11:26:22 <oneswig> Have you discussed the BoF and lightning talks at the sydney summit?  I'ld like to put one in
11:26:44 <b1airo> not yet oneswig , just been discussing the SC17 BOF
11:27:05 <oneswig> Ah OK.
11:27:33 <b1airo> ok, think we should move along to those other items - i am already following up on the BOF participant email thread and will report back on that next week
11:27:48 <b1airo> unless you wanted to discuss anything more tomking ?
11:28:15 <oneswig> before that
11:28:16 <tomking> no, i'll read through last year's etherpad and suggest if anything comes to mind
11:28:20 <oneswig> what happened with the merge?
11:28:27 <b1airo> great, thanks!
11:28:46 <tomking> presumably update for latest Openstack release
11:28:53 <tomking> and a bit more on storage
11:28:53 <b1airo> oneswig, it's happened - though updating the schedule only happened last week
11:29:17 <oneswig> ok thanks.
11:29:24 <b1airo> possibly more on Ironic too
11:29:46 <tomking> as verdurin will note, bruno and I are suit-wearing manager types these days
11:29:49 <oneswig> b1airo: tomking: we hit some interesting issues with Pike and Ironic
11:30:04 <b1airo> so BOF participants are currently listed as: Stig TelferMartial MichelMike LoweTimothy RandlesRobert BuddenBenjamin LynchBruno SilvaTom KingSimon Thompson
11:30:19 <b1airo> (oh dear, that didn't paste very nicely)
11:30:29 <oneswig> tomking: are you at the Crick?  I'm sitting in Kings Cross
11:30:39 <verdurin> Didn't realise you meant that sort of merging
11:30:41 <tomking> no i live at qmul
11:31:05 <oneswig> ah, got it
11:31:06 <b1airo> oneswig, shall we ask to remove you and add ...?
11:31:12 <b1airo> verdurin, haha!
11:31:22 <tomking> +1
11:31:33 <oneswig> oh, hadn't noticed I was still on there!  I'll take care of it.
11:31:47 <b1airo> :thumbs_up:
11:31:54 <oneswig> slacker
11:31:58 <b1airo> ;-)
11:32:11 <tomking> do you want emedlab/climb to prepare a few slides?
11:32:24 <tomking> on what we've got and how we're doing it right now?
11:32:40 <b1airo> tomking, yes I think that'd be great
11:32:48 <tomking> 10 mins worth?
11:33:11 <b1airo> will sort that out via email - might need to be shorter depending on how many decks we are going through
11:33:14 <martial_> :aw_yeah:
11:33:20 <b1airo> we have 1h40m
11:33:43 <b1airo> #topic Sydney stuff...
11:34:18 <oneswig> Last meeting before Sydney for me, I'll be in All the Timezones next Tuesday
11:34:30 <martial_> Same for me
11:34:36 <b1airo> sounds awfully exciting oneswig
11:34:53 <martial_> With the hackathon being cancelled...
11:34:53 <oneswig> It's not the journey b1airo it's the destination :-)
11:34:58 <b1airo> roll up, roll up, come one, come all: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sydney-scientific-sig-lightning-talks
11:35:01 <ildikov> oneswig: I'm flying out next Tuesday evening, so I'm with you on that :)
11:35:02 <oneswig> cancelled?
11:35:17 <martial_> Postponed
11:35:26 <martial_> To 2018
11:35:36 <oneswig> I hadn't heard that.  Must pay attention
11:35:46 <b1airo> oneswig, you just gained a free weekend in Melbourne and/or Sydney I guess!
11:35:53 <martial_> They sent an email to mentors
11:35:53 <ildikov> we're encouraging the attendees who signed up to come to the Upstream Institute training during the weekend
11:36:02 <oneswig> Perfect opportunity to write a lightning talk!
11:36:04 <ildikov> to learn about the community and do some hacking still
11:36:19 <oneswig> Hi ildikov - sounds good, where is it?
11:36:47 <ildikov> the training is in the Sydney Convention and Exhibition Centre - Level 4 - C4.5
11:36:57 <ildikov> Saturday 2pm - 6pm and Sunday 9am - 6pm
11:37:00 <oneswig> b1airo: current plan is to fly Melbourne-Sydney fairly early Saturday morning
11:37:08 <b1airo> yeah it's a bit of a shame but I think it was always on shaky ground trying to bring it together so late and without solid commitment from the vendors/platforms involved
11:37:20 <oneswig> ildikov: can you link to it?  Do people need to sign up somewhere?
11:38:00 <ildikov> #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20363/upstream-institute-sponsored-by-lenovo-day-1-rsvp-required
11:38:05 <ildikov> oneswig: ^^
11:38:17 <ildikov> only students need to sign up
11:39:22 <ildikov> if anyone would like to pop by as a mentor please reach out to us on #openstack-upstream-institute
11:39:36 <b1airo> so anyway, if you are interested in doing a lightning talk at the summit then please at throw your hat in the etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sydney-scientific-sig-lightning-talks
11:40:42 <b1airo> anything else on Sydney?
11:40:52 <oneswig> thanks b1airo I'm doing it
11:41:43 <b1airo> we have a BOF session to plan too
11:42:01 <ildikov> b1airo: should I do the ORC update now or in AoB? :)
11:42:50 <b1airo> #topic ORC update
11:42:55 <b1airo> take it away ildikov
11:43:37 <ildikov> b1airo: thanks :)
11:43:50 <ildikov> so we have the first day on the Summit schedule now
11:43:54 <ildikov> #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20534/3rd-open-research-cloudcongress
11:44:15 <ildikov> we also sorted out registration related questions for those, who're planning to attend ORC only
11:45:10 <ildikov> I reached out to the Keystone folks so far to give them a heads up on Craig's session about Federation and ORC in general
11:45:25 <ildikov> also encouraged them to attend the relevant ORC sessions on Identity
11:46:32 <ildikov> also a heads up that the ORC Congress is two days long and only the first day is hosted in the Summit venue
11:46:53 <oneswig> ildikov: is the second day venue arranged?
11:47:13 <martial_> (thanks ildiko, phone keyboard less efficient)
11:47:20 <ildikov> there is a separate eventbrite for ORC to get an idea who's coming: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/third-international-open-research-cloud-congress-tickets-36318359190
11:47:22 <oneswig> I can only attend the second day I think - unless it's easy to hop between them
11:47:22 <armstrong> ildikov: so we need to register for both events?
11:47:32 <martial_> Wilfred was looking into this
11:48:14 <ildikov> oneswig: yes, but I can't find the mail about it :/
11:48:44 <ildikov> armstrong: yes
11:49:01 <martial_> A location was found from what I know
11:49:15 <armstrong> ildikov: ok thanks
11:49:22 <martial_> Just can not access it just now
11:49:41 <ildikov> armstrong: we will not turn away anyone from the ORC Congress without a registration though, we would like to have an idea on who's interested and attended overall
11:50:25 <armstrong> ildikov: Sounds good but am sure I had registered.
11:50:33 <ildikov> armstrong: Summit registration however is essential as the first day is hosted in that venue
11:50:50 <ildikov> armstrong: great!
11:51:22 <ildikov> I also sent out a mail to the ORC ML to help with finding related presentations and Forum sessions
11:52:09 <b1airo> ok, all done on that?
11:52:10 <ildikov> I hope that will help with further collaboration between the two communities besides the overlapping participants
11:52:37 <b1airo> yes, good idea ildikov
11:52:41 <ildikov> b1airo: do you know if there was any outreach to local universities/institutions about this?
11:52:54 <b1airo> about ORC ?
11:53:50 <ildikov> b1airo: both Summit and ORC, but I'm more curious about ORC as I'm sure we did as much as we could with promoting the Summit there
11:55:06 <b1airo> no idea i'm afraid, i imagine Wilfred has promoted it at least a little, but i doubt he would have gone much broader than existing Nectar community
11:55:54 <b1airo> we did have the eResearch Australasia conference here last week - that would have been a good venue for promotion... :-/
11:56:05 <b1airo> #topic AOB
11:56:14 <ildikov> b1airo: :(
11:56:28 <oneswig> Anyone out there using TripleO with LinuxBridge or OVN, by any chance?
11:56:37 <oneswig> I've been researching it... want datapoints.
11:57:13 <ildikov> b1airo: do you know if there's any way to reach out to that group still?
11:58:07 <b1airo> ildikov, yes there is, there are a few national projects/groups that effectively spam everyone in the sector :-)
11:58:38 <ildikov> b1airo: nice :)
11:58:49 <b1airo> oneswig, isn't OVS more equivalent to linux-bridge?
11:58:55 <verdurin> b1airo: would like to hear about your local developments, that I don't think you got around to last week? Not now, clearly.
11:59:07 <oneswig> b1airo: older, simpler, some say faster
11:59:15 <oneswig> that is the question
11:59:19 <ildikov> b1airo: if you could give some pointers after the meeting that would be great and then we can decide what and what not to do :)
11:59:21 <b1airo> ildikov, for example AeRO
11:59:43 <priteau> In AOB I wanted to mention that Blazar became an official OpenStack project at the end of September. We'll be in the Queens release!
11:59:43 <oneswig> We've hit some problems with Nova+Ironic on Pike this last week or two which we ought to write up.
11:59:53 <oneswig> Bravo priteau
11:59:58 <oneswig> Did I mail you earlier?
11:59:59 <b1airo> but the conference also has a mailing/contact list too - tricky to ask them to use it though...
12:00:17 <ildikov> priteau: +1, great news, congrats!
12:00:18 <priteau> oneswig: got your email, thanks!
12:00:32 <oneswig> Great.  Just checking I'm still sane
12:00:41 <b1airo> priteau, awesome!
12:00:47 <verdurin> well done priteau
12:01:05 <oneswig> priteau: we need to set a date and I'd like to bring some 'friends'
12:01:19 <oneswig> to chat blazar
12:01:26 <b1airo> are you guys arranging a playdate?
12:01:37 <priteau> oneswig: absolutely, do let me know when is a good time
12:01:40 <oneswig> got a new gaming rig b1airo!
12:02:06 <b1airo> ha
12:02:15 <oneswig> ah, we are out of time.
12:02:16 <b1airo> to be continued in #scientific-wg
12:02:19 <b1airo> #endmeeting