13:00:27 <Qiming> #startmeeting senlin 13:00:28 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Jul 21 13:00:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:00:29 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:00:29 <yanyanhu> hi 13:00:31 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' 13:00:48 <jruano> hello 13:00:49 <Qiming> let's get started? 13:00:54 <Qiming> hi 13:01:20 <Qiming> pls feel free to add agenda items: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda 13:01:20 <yanyanhu> Qiming, your hello is a little earlier ;) 13:01:31 <lkarm> o/ 13:01:33 <Qiming> #topic add agenda items 13:01:38 <Qiming> hi lisa 13:02:33 <Qiming> #topic liberty-2 targets 13:02:46 <Qiming> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-liberty-workitems 13:03:18 <Qiming> seems we have accomplished a lot, :) 13:03:28 <yanyanhu> yes, progress is good I think 13:03:34 <lixinhui_> if any update on binding.rst? 13:03:47 <Qiming> doc? 13:03:53 <lixinhui_> yes 13:04:34 <yanyanhu> latest unit test cover rate is 71% in my local env :) 13:04:36 <Qiming> here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201009/ 13:05:39 <Qiming> we still have some monsters to kill? 13:05:51 <yanyanhu> yes, about action and also some drivers 13:05:52 <jruano> yes i am working on a few 13:05:57 <lixinhui_> I wanna try something about policy binding of node-placement policy 13:06:12 <Qiming> lixinhui_, that would be good 13:06:19 <Qiming> thanks, jruano 13:07:00 <Qiming> maybe we can target a placement policy implementation for liberty-3? 13:07:13 <Qiming> liberty-3 is 2015-09-01 I think 13:07:19 <yanyanhu> that will be cool 13:07:32 <yanyanhu> now we don't have any implementation about this policy 13:07:38 <Qiming> it doesn't have to be a full-featured version 13:07:46 <yanyanhu> yes 13:08:06 <Qiming> I think lixinhui_ has got some problems passing 'scheduler_hints' to nova 13:08:25 <Qiming> and sometimes this is intermingled with the server-group nova api 13:09:07 <Qiming> as far as I know, the nova server profile has something to be hardened 13:09:39 <Qiming> for example, the 'networks' property might be 'nics' 13:09:39 <lixinhui_> yes, seems openstacksdk will transfer all attrs into server: {} 13:09:50 <Qiming> we need to look into the nova-api to find out the details 13:10:04 <lixinhui_> but scheudler_hints should be os:scheudler_hints: {} 13:10:41 <Qiming> okay, it would be good if we can find the latest nova api doc 13:12:02 <yanyanhu> Qiming, maybe also the trust API doc 13:12:08 <Qiming> there are some other notions in sdk: server_interface, server_metadata and server_meta 13:12:57 <yanyanhu> yes, I noticed that the function calls related to server_metadata are still not there 13:12:58 <Qiming> yanyanhu, trust for api invocation? 13:13:35 <yanyanhu> yes 13:13:40 <Qiming> I have proposed a server_group resource to sdk, but their acceptance of new resource types is frozen for the moment 13:14:07 <Qiming> I don't think trust would be part of nova api 13:14:13 <yanyanhu> last time, you shared a link where the trust API description is a little different from the current one we are refering 13:14:18 <yanyanhu> yes, sure 13:14:19 <Qiming> it is completely an interaction with keystone 13:14:23 <yanyanhu> I mean keystone v3 API 13:14:59 <Qiming> ah, that wiki page, I checked the history, it was written in 2013, may be outdated long time ago 13:15:09 <Qiming> the only thing you can trust is the code itself 13:15:16 <yanyanhu> ok... 13:15:17 <yanyanhu> http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref.html 13:15:25 <yanyanhu> not sure whether this doc is updated 13:15:40 <Qiming> for some projects, I believe so 13:15:46 <Qiming> for others ... em 13:15:49 <Qiming> definitely no 13:16:04 <yanyanhu> but I found neutron related API doc is right 13:16:05 <Qiming> for example, you can check the ceilometer api there 13:16:09 <yanyanhu> ok 13:16:12 <yanyanhu> need test 13:16:30 <Qiming> right 13:16:38 <lixinhui_> report a bug 13:16:52 <Qiming> ? 13:17:57 <lixinhui_> http://paste.openstack.org/show/395684/ 13:18:05 <lixinhui_> poor network at home 13:19:08 <Qiming> lixinhui_, you will check the senlin-api output for this 13:19:37 <lixinhui_> okay 13:19:40 <Qiming> 500 Internal Server Error means a real problem at api/engine side 13:20:06 <Qiming> look for this line "Failed checking service user checking." in senlin code 13:20:07 <haiwei_> I found something similar like this 13:20:12 <Qiming> you will know what happened 13:20:37 <Qiming> please file a but for this 13:20:43 <Qiming> I think it could be a configuration problem 13:20:59 <Qiming> for example, if you are using 'demo' user in the 'demo' project 13:21:31 <Qiming> the user has to be configured as the 'admin' of the project, or else some keystone policies will block you from doing useful work 13:21:55 <Qiming> if that is the case, we need to update the setup document and the devstack plugin code 13:23:01 <Qiming> another improvement I see is the client code, the client can be improved to understand this kind of errors instead of reporting an 'ValueError' 13:24:06 <Qiming> so .. please file bugs when things don't work 13:24:52 <Qiming> anything else for the liberty-2 targets? 13:25:00 <yanyanhu> hi, Qiming, last time, you mentioned that maybe we can try to provide a first release 13:25:10 <yanyanhu> by the end of liberty-2 13:25:33 <Qiming> with just 1 week left? 13:25:47 <yanyanhu> em, a little difficult I think 13:26:17 <yanyanhu> but we need a plan I think ;) 13:26:37 <Qiming> it would be a good practice though I don't think the release itself will change the world 13:26:55 <yanyanhu> sure 13:27:12 <Qiming> #action Qiming to investigate release procedure 13:27:46 <Qiming> anyway, we will definitely do a release by liberty-3 13:27:54 <yanyanhu> yes 13:28:02 <haiwei_> nice 13:28:49 <Qiming> let's think about it -- what do we want to go into the release 13:29:05 <Qiming> we can discuss it in our next meeting 13:29:16 <yanyanhu> em, especially what features will be included in the first release 13:29:17 <yanyanhu> ok 13:30:01 <lixinhui_> another thing I do not know if we should do in senlin is locale 13:30:22 <Qiming> lixinhui_, you mean internationalization? 13:30:26 <lixinhui_> yes 13:30:34 <lixinhui_> a light one ... 13:30:55 <Qiming> em ... I can read a little French, a little German ... 13:31:17 <lixinhui_> each time I wanna run senlin on my mac, I have to resolve local UTF-8 13:31:25 <lixinhui_> ... 13:31:35 <Qiming> haiwei_ can do some Japanese I think 13:32:02 <Qiming> UTF-8 is the standard encoding, especially for Python 3 13:32:14 <haiwei_> I am using a English environment 13:32:26 <lixinhui_> :-) 13:32:37 <Qiming> we do have infrastructure to extract strings for translation 13:33:00 <Qiming> the community has a shared project doing that: i18n 13:33:49 <Qiming> so far we have been transmitting and storing data in UTF-8 I think 13:33:57 <Qiming> okay, let's move on 13:34:22 <Qiming> #topic update on complex (scaling) policy 13:34:32 <Qiming> this has been my focus recently 13:35:03 <Qiming> I haven't checked in any code yet, because nothing is in good shape yet 13:35:32 <Qiming> in this work, I'm trying to model a scaling policy in 3 sections: 13:35:44 <Qiming> signal, schedule, handlers 13:36:10 <Qiming> a signal can be a ceilometer alarm, a monasca alarm, a zaqar message, for example 13:36:45 <Qiming> but the policy will contain only a single signal entry, that is a restriction to simplify implementation 13:37:31 <Qiming> when modeling the signal section, I spent some time studying the ceilometer alarm API doc, which is in nowhere 13:37:55 <Qiming> there are threshold alarm, combination alarm and ... gnocchi alarms 13:38:31 <Qiming> properties vary between different alarm types 13:39:03 <Qiming> and .... I saw this command: 13:39:28 <Qiming> ceilometer alarm-gnocchi-aggregation-by-metrics-threshold-create 13:39:50 <Qiming> kind of driven crazy by this ... 13:39:54 <haiwei_> a long command 13:40:31 <Qiming> and things like this: ceilometer alarm-gnocchi-aggregation-by-resources-threshold-create 13:40:38 <Qiming> sigh ... 13:41:13 <Qiming> any way, I will try my best to make the 'signal' specification applicable to most alarm types 13:41:26 <Qiming> the second 'section' is 'schedule' 13:42:00 <Qiming> this is designed for scheduled action triggering, it can be used with and without a signal section 13:42:13 <lixinhui_> knock knock 13:42:34 <lixinhui_> seems you once said ceilometer 13:42:40 <Qiming> if there is a signal and a schedule section, it means some action will be triggered during the 'schedule' window 13:42:42 <lixinhui_> will change the alar 13:43:01 <yanyanhu> yes, they have a plan to split alarm out of ceilometer 13:43:26 <haiwei_> to where? 13:43:32 <jruano> they are keeping ceilometer alarms for now until they make sure they don't break anything 13:43:42 <Qiming> if only 'schedule' section is provided, then the policy will take effect only during the target window 13:43:46 <jruano> heat team almost had a heart attack 13:43:57 <lixinhui_> :-) 13:44:00 <jruano> the switch is supposed to be transparent 13:44:03 <Qiming> yes, that is .... 13:44:30 <Qiming> I'm speechless over that patch 13:44:31 <yanyanhu> haiwei_, a new project named Aodh 13:44:47 <haiwei_> difficult to read 13:45:13 <Qiming> so, we need to keep an eye on that, and hopefully understand their new api design soon 13:45:49 <Qiming> the last section in the complex scaling policy is about 'handlers', yes, plural form 13:46:11 <Qiming> it is a list of actions to be triggered when some 'alarm' or 'message' is received 13:46:43 <Qiming> the good news is that both Ceilometer and Monasca support a list of webhook urls 13:47:21 <Qiming> I have almost finished the parsing of the 'handler' section 13:47:40 <Qiming> maybe I should check in a WIP for you guys to comment 13:47:52 <Qiming> but don't +2 on it yet, cores 13:48:20 <yanyanhu> :) 13:48:35 <yanyanhu> will help to review the code one you submit it 13:48:46 <Qiming> thanks, that would be great 13:48:54 <Qiming> please as picky as you can be 13:50:22 <Qiming> any questions/comments so far? 13:50:30 <jruano> i like the design approach. would be nice to investigate the code 13:50:52 <Qiming> okay, will check in the code tomorrow 13:51:07 <lixinhui_> hoho~ 13:51:16 <Qiming> #topic open discussions 13:52:04 <haiwei_> the error lixinhui_ has reported is similar like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-senlinclient/+bug/1472557 13:52:05 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1472557 in python-senlinclient "cluster, profile and node can't be updated" [Undecided,New] 13:52:05 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1472557 in python-senlinclient "cluster, profile and node can't be updated" [Undecided,New] 13:52:05 <Qiming> one thing above my head is about the talk proposal 13:52:06 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1472557 in python-senlinclient "cluster, profile and node can't be updated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1472557 13:52:52 <jruano> yes, need to get started on an outline and some initial content 13:53:09 <Qiming> haiwei_, will look at it later, thanks for reporting 13:53:27 <yanyanhu> and anyone has decided to join the summit? 13:53:36 <Qiming> we need a POC implementation of a container cluster 13:54:08 <Qiming> it won't be very difficult if you are using CoreOS guest image 13:54:35 <Qiming> I had some experiments before, though not a cluster environment 13:54:37 <yanyanhu> but we need a driver for this? 13:54:52 <Qiming> it is just a nova server 13:55:08 <Qiming> with some extra metadata 13:55:17 <yanyanhu> oh, you mean lxc supported by nova 13:55:21 <yanyanhu> understand 13:55:36 <Qiming> someone need to dive into magnum code to find out what else do they need from a VM to run containers 13:55:49 <Qiming> no, not lxc 13:56:25 <Qiming> magnum is building bays using nova servers (VMs) and then create containers inside the VMs 13:56:57 <jruano> ah i see, so just some extra nova server data 13:57:12 <Qiming> yes, that could be a quick experiment 13:57:32 <Qiming> you need some k8s or docker packages in the image 13:57:37 <jruano> i can take a look. when do you need it by? 13:57:55 <yanyanhu> with user_data and cloud-init? 13:58:04 <Qiming> jruano, the earlier the better 13:58:11 <Qiming> yes, yanyanhu 13:58:15 <yanyanhu> ok 13:58:27 <jruano> ill see if i can get to it later today 13:58:33 <Qiming> thanks, jruano, ping me if you need some help on starting this 13:58:38 <jruano> np 13:59:00 <Qiming> #action Julio to experiment with containers 13:59:08 <Qiming> okay, time's up 13:59:17 <Qiming> let's go to #senlin 13:59:23 <Qiming> thank you all 13:59:28 <Qiming> #endmeeting