15:00:38 <krotscheck> #startmeeting StoryBoard 15:00:39 <openstack> Meeting started Mon May 4 15:00:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:40 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00:40 <krotscheck> hu hu! 15:00:42 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' 15:00:43 <krotscheck> hi hi! 15:00:55 <ttx> o/ 15:01:05 <krotscheck> Agenda: 15:01:07 <krotscheck> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda 15:01:13 <krotscheck> #topic Actions from Last Week 15:01:14 <krotscheck> None 15:01:20 <krotscheck> #topic Urgent Items: 15:01:26 <krotscheck> Anything come up that needs to be addressed? 15:01:33 <yolanda> hi 15:01:40 <yolanda> nothing from my side 15:02:21 <krotscheck> Nothing here either. 15:02:34 <krotscheck> #topic User Feedback 15:02:39 <krotscheck> Anything? 15:02:56 <yolanda> nothing 15:03:13 <krotscheck> I'm going to skip to in-progress work first, because I have some questions about things. 15:03:21 <krotscheck> #topic In progress: krotscheck 15:03:28 <krotscheck> Ok, so I've got two things going right now. 15:03:41 <krotscheck> The first is pagination, which... 15:04:08 <krotscheck> Well, the main issue there is that the spec that real human-usable pagination depends on is A) large, B) Unapproved, and C) Doesn't ahve anyone to build it. 15:04:29 <krotscheck> And this is a request I've received over and over again. 15:04:53 <krotscheck> Now I've taken the passive aggressive approach right now, which is to add the paging buttons, and then pop up a message that says: Hey, you want this? Come help! 15:04:57 <krotscheck> That's... not optimal though 15:05:04 <yolanda> i found that quite ugly, yes :) 15:05:27 <krotscheck> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179256/ 15:05:32 <yolanda> krotscheck, can we have some better ways to request help? for example a popup like the "donate" ones in some pages 15:05:43 <yolanda> in this case "donate your work" 15:05:54 <ttx> heh 15:06:47 <krotscheck> In retrospect, I definitely feel like we need to have a way to nag people into helping. 15:07:04 <krotscheck> Or some _other_ way into getting people involved. 15:07:15 <krotscheck> Because begging from corporations is just not doing it. 15:07:38 <yolanda> you mean, encourage individuals rather than companies? 15:07:59 <krotscheck> However, as far as pagination goes, the _way_ easier way to get pagination working is to switch from marker/limit to offset/limit paging. 15:08:10 <krotscheck> yolanda: maybe. 15:08:29 <krotscheck> And the argument for offest/limit is "It's natively supported by the database and we don't have the resources to build anything more sophisticated" 15:08:59 <yolanda> krotscheck, i agree with you, we should stick in the classic approach, as we don't have resources for working on the complex pagination spec 15:09:10 <krotscheck> ttx: Thoughts? 15:09:15 <yolanda> when i say we i say you mostly right now, i'm totally unable to contribute 15:09:26 <krotscheck> yep. 15:09:34 <krotscheck> Also, Aleksey's been moved off of StoryBoard inside of Mirantis 15:09:42 <yolanda> oh 15:09:57 <yolanda> i wanted to work a bit on free time, but where is free time? :( 15:10:40 <yolanda> so with this situation, i think the most pragmatic we are, the better 15:10:49 <ttx> krotscheck: I think it doesn't hurt to get the word out there that we are dying for lack of help 15:11:12 <ttx> although it's a bit of a double-edged sword 15:11:16 <krotscheck> Yep. 15:11:27 <ttx> since some may read it as a death announcement before we even have the YVR discussion 15:11:28 <krotscheck> I'm going to do the release notes this morning if we can land any patches this week. 15:11:40 <krotscheck> But if not, there's no real point. 15:11:44 * ttx is behind on patch review 15:11:50 <ttx> blames release 15:12:01 <krotscheck> ttx: What about switching from marker/limit to offset/limit? 15:12:22 <yolanda> i'm going to do a youtube presentation, i'm still working on slides, but i can end with a "need help" slide 15:13:14 <krotscheck> ttx: I'm asking because quorum, and it's a holiday in russia. 15:13:23 <ttx> krotscheck: I would go for the "simple" approach at this point 15:13:31 <krotscheck> Alright! 15:13:38 <ttx> i.e. make it shiny even if not perfect 15:13:49 <krotscheck> #agreed Switch from marker/limit to offset/limit because lack of resources to build big expensive things. 15:13:55 <krotscheck> Ok, moving on to email. 15:14:18 <krotscheck> I have WIP code for email processing of single events ehre: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179542/ 15:14:30 <krotscheck> It's lacking tests, and templtaes, which I'm going to work on this week. 15:14:49 <krotscheck> However before I go much farther I want to make sure this is a sane approach. 15:15:50 <krotscheck> So, please go review that :) 15:15:56 <yolanda> sure 15:16:03 <ttx> ack 15:16:36 <krotscheck> Ok, that's it for me as far as ongoing work. 15:16:52 <krotscheck> The other things I'm doing are backchannel oslo things involving oslo.middleware and CORS support for OpenStack in general 15:16:55 <krotscheck> Aaaanyway 15:16:59 <krotscheck> #topic Discussion 15:17:11 <krotscheck> #topic Discussion: Vancouver! 15:17:20 <krotscheck> Ok, so where are we with our discussion on this? 15:17:35 <krotscheck> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/storyboard-vancouver-may-2015 15:19:17 <yolanda> do we have an slot for that in the agenda? i saw ttx proposal, is that confirmed? 15:20:25 <krotscheck> Right, because we're not really going to get any questions answered without a place to ask them 15:21:54 <krotscheck> I'm guessing ttx is in another channel and/or wrestiling his kids. 15:22:28 <yolanda> i'm vanguard today but things are quiet 15:23:12 <ttx> krotscheck: no, trying to check the infra sessions status 15:23:16 <krotscheck> I'm guessing if ttx doesn't get his session approved (which, given that he's TTX, isn't likely), we can always bogart the infra sessions 15:23:19 <krotscheck> ok 15:23:20 <ttx> krotscheck: doesn't seem to be posted yet 15:23:29 <krotscheck> Yeah, I haven't seen it either 15:24:19 <ttx> Not so many fishbowl proposed and infra has 4 15:24:24 <ttx> so I'd say it stands a good chance 15:25:44 <krotscheck> Ok, cool. 15:26:07 <krotscheck> I'd like to go through the etherpad, group our questions into like topics, so we have a defined agenda of questions that need to be answered. 15:26:48 <krotscheck> What amazes me about the whole situation is that for all the supposed "We want feature X" pressure the TC and Board is getting on ticket tracking, I see absolutely no _real_ activity and/or code. 15:27:43 <yolanda> no code because no active and paid contributors 15:27:55 <krotscheck> Basically, yeah. 15:28:07 <ttx> *and* within openstack nevertheless 15:28:23 <ttx> i.e. seen as covering a specific use case, not a generic project 15:28:31 <krotscheck> So, I'm thinking StoryBoard will actually survive vancouver, simply by virtue of nobody else is willing to put forward resources for something else. 15:29:45 <ttx> I think the questions on your part of the etherpad are good 15:29:49 <krotscheck> So I'm going to put our best foot forward, start putting out weekly release notes after our meetings, and make people realize there's things going on here. 15:30:01 <ttx> - What will be used as task tracking in openstack 15:30:21 <ttx> - Should StoryBoard continue under Infra 15:30:32 <ttx> - Should StoryBoard continue, period 15:30:40 <ttx> - If StoryBoard continues, how 15:32:15 <ttx> I think if we can get answers to that we are good 15:32:16 <krotscheck> If StoryBoard is replaced, where do the resources come from? 15:32:23 <ttx> That is part of (1) for me 15:32:35 <ttx> Whatever is used needs to be viable 15:32:38 <krotscheck> Gotcha 15:34:12 <krotscheck> That does narrow things down a bit, doesn't it. 15:36:01 <krotscheck> Ok, any other discussion topics? 15:36:16 <ttx> nothing from me 15:36:31 <krotscheck> I'm done. yolanda? 15:36:44 <yolanda> krotscheck, sorry, i got pinged on Gozer 15:37:16 <krotscheck> It doesn't look like we have any features ready for release. 15:37:22 <krotscheck> i.e. nothing I can do release notes on. 15:37:33 <krotscheck> Everything we shipped last week is backend 15:37:58 <yolanda> in the meeting if we have some, i'd like to expose the features that SB has and it's good for, that launchpad/phabricator doesn't provide, so it's a +1 from our project 15:39:23 <krotscheck> yolanda: ++ 15:40:24 <krotscheck> Ok, I'll close the meeting. Thanks everyone! 15:40:26 <krotscheck> #endmeeting