15:00:38 #startmeeting StoryBoard 15:00:39 Meeting started Mon May 4 15:00:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:40 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00:40 hu hu! 15:00:42 The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' 15:00:43 hi hi! 15:00:55 o/ 15:01:05 Agenda: 15:01:07 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda 15:01:13 #topic Actions from Last Week 15:01:14 None 15:01:20 #topic Urgent Items: 15:01:26 Anything come up that needs to be addressed? 15:01:33 hi 15:01:40 nothing from my side 15:02:21 Nothing here either. 15:02:34 #topic User Feedback 15:02:39 Anything? 15:02:56 nothing 15:03:13 I'm going to skip to in-progress work first, because I have some questions about things. 15:03:21 #topic In progress: krotscheck 15:03:28 Ok, so I've got two things going right now. 15:03:41 The first is pagination, which... 15:04:08 Well, the main issue there is that the spec that real human-usable pagination depends on is A) large, B) Unapproved, and C) Doesn't ahve anyone to build it. 15:04:29 And this is a request I've received over and over again. 15:04:53 Now I've taken the passive aggressive approach right now, which is to add the paging buttons, and then pop up a message that says: Hey, you want this? Come help! 15:04:57 That's... not optimal though 15:05:04 i found that quite ugly, yes :) 15:05:27 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179256/ 15:05:32 krotscheck, can we have some better ways to request help? for example a popup like the "donate" ones in some pages 15:05:43 in this case "donate your work" 15:05:54 heh 15:06:47 In retrospect, I definitely feel like we need to have a way to nag people into helping. 15:07:04 Or some _other_ way into getting people involved. 15:07:15 Because begging from corporations is just not doing it. 15:07:38 you mean, encourage individuals rather than companies? 15:07:59 However, as far as pagination goes, the _way_ easier way to get pagination working is to switch from marker/limit to offset/limit paging. 15:08:10 yolanda: maybe. 15:08:29 And the argument for offest/limit is "It's natively supported by the database and we don't have the resources to build anything more sophisticated" 15:08:59 krotscheck, i agree with you, we should stick in the classic approach, as we don't have resources for working on the complex pagination spec 15:09:10 ttx: Thoughts? 15:09:15 when i say we i say you mostly right now, i'm totally unable to contribute 15:09:26 yep. 15:09:34 Also, Aleksey's been moved off of StoryBoard inside of Mirantis 15:09:42 oh 15:09:57 i wanted to work a bit on free time, but where is free time? :( 15:10:40 so with this situation, i think the most pragmatic we are, the better 15:10:49 krotscheck: I think it doesn't hurt to get the word out there that we are dying for lack of help 15:11:12 although it's a bit of a double-edged sword 15:11:16 Yep. 15:11:27 since some may read it as a death announcement before we even have the YVR discussion 15:11:28 I'm going to do the release notes this morning if we can land any patches this week. 15:11:40 But if not, there's no real point. 15:11:44 * ttx is behind on patch review 15:11:50 blames release 15:12:01 ttx: What about switching from marker/limit to offset/limit? 15:12:22 i'm going to do a youtube presentation, i'm still working on slides, but i can end with a "need help" slide 15:13:14 ttx: I'm asking because quorum, and it's a holiday in russia. 15:13:23 krotscheck: I would go for the "simple" approach at this point 15:13:31 Alright! 15:13:38 i.e. make it shiny even if not perfect 15:13:49 #agreed Switch from marker/limit to offset/limit because lack of resources to build big expensive things. 15:13:55 Ok, moving on to email. 15:14:18 I have WIP code for email processing of single events ehre: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179542/ 15:14:30 It's lacking tests, and templtaes, which I'm going to work on this week. 15:14:49 However before I go much farther I want to make sure this is a sane approach. 15:15:50 So, please go review that :) 15:15:56 sure 15:16:03 ack 15:16:36 Ok, that's it for me as far as ongoing work. 15:16:52 The other things I'm doing are backchannel oslo things involving oslo.middleware and CORS support for OpenStack in general 15:16:55 Aaaanyway 15:16:59 #topic Discussion 15:17:11 #topic Discussion: Vancouver! 15:17:20 Ok, so where are we with our discussion on this? 15:17:35 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/storyboard-vancouver-may-2015 15:19:17 do we have an slot for that in the agenda? i saw ttx proposal, is that confirmed? 15:20:25 Right, because we're not really going to get any questions answered without a place to ask them 15:21:54 I'm guessing ttx is in another channel and/or wrestiling his kids. 15:22:28 i'm vanguard today but things are quiet 15:23:12 krotscheck: no, trying to check the infra sessions status 15:23:16 I'm guessing if ttx doesn't get his session approved (which, given that he's TTX, isn't likely), we can always bogart the infra sessions 15:23:19 ok 15:23:20 krotscheck: doesn't seem to be posted yet 15:23:29 Yeah, I haven't seen it either 15:24:19 Not so many fishbowl proposed and infra has 4 15:24:24 so I'd say it stands a good chance 15:25:44 Ok, cool. 15:26:07 I'd like to go through the etherpad, group our questions into like topics, so we have a defined agenda of questions that need to be answered. 15:26:48 What amazes me about the whole situation is that for all the supposed "We want feature X" pressure the TC and Board is getting on ticket tracking, I see absolutely no _real_ activity and/or code. 15:27:43 no code because no active and paid contributors 15:27:55 Basically, yeah. 15:28:07 *and* within openstack nevertheless 15:28:23 i.e. seen as covering a specific use case, not a generic project 15:28:31 So, I'm thinking StoryBoard will actually survive vancouver, simply by virtue of nobody else is willing to put forward resources for something else. 15:29:45 I think the questions on your part of the etherpad are good 15:29:49 So I'm going to put our best foot forward, start putting out weekly release notes after our meetings, and make people realize there's things going on here. 15:30:01 - What will be used as task tracking in openstack 15:30:21 - Should StoryBoard continue under Infra 15:30:32 - Should StoryBoard continue, period 15:30:40 - If StoryBoard continues, how 15:32:15 I think if we can get answers to that we are good 15:32:16 If StoryBoard is replaced, where do the resources come from? 15:32:23 That is part of (1) for me 15:32:35 Whatever is used needs to be viable 15:32:38 Gotcha 15:34:12 That does narrow things down a bit, doesn't it. 15:36:01 Ok, any other discussion topics? 15:36:16 nothing from me 15:36:31 I'm done. yolanda? 15:36:44 krotscheck, sorry, i got pinged on Gozer 15:37:16 It doesn't look like we have any features ready for release. 15:37:22 i.e. nothing I can do release notes on. 15:37:33 Everything we shipped last week is backend 15:37:58 in the meeting if we have some, i'd like to expose the features that SB has and it's good for, that launchpad/phabricator doesn't provide, so it's a +1 from our project 15:39:23 yolanda: ++ 15:40:24 Ok, I'll close the meeting. Thanks everyone! 15:40:26 #endmeeting