15:01:42 #startmeeting storyboard 15:01:42 Meeting started Wed Feb 24 15:01:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:43 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:01:45 The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' 15:02:07 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda 15:02:22 sorry, I tried to update the agenda in advance, but couldn't log in to the wiki 15:02:30 no worries :) 15:02:38 I'm pretty sure we already announced tags search 15:02:47 yup 15:02:57 anything urgent you know of? 15:03:37 not really. would be nice to get eyes on email config patches, since it's hurting users, but that's as urgent as always. 15:04:00 #topic Urgent Items 15:04:10 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270331/ Email config for storyboard 15:04:10 o/ sorry im late :) 15:04:15 hi betherly_ 15:04:29 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270329/ 15:04:33 ^ depends on that 15:05:06 Anything else urgent? 15:05:09 * SotK thinks not 15:05:15 nope 15:05:27 #topic In Progress Work 15:05:54 #info SotK is about to send patches for due dates in boards 15:05:59 \o/ 15:06:03 patches for due dates in worklists will follow later in the week 15:06:43 haha, worklists 15:06:46 I mean, yay! 15:07:35 okay, stuff on agenda about timeline events is old 15:07:51 #info we debugged timeline events and a patch was merged to fix it 15:08:26 events should now say something like "task status changed from 'todo' to 'merged'" instead of just "task updated" 15:08:43 I can't remember the exact wording, but that's what that was about, for anyone missing context 15:08:44 * SotK would like to make it do similar for task names too 15:09:09 and story descriptions... but that one requires some thought with the template 15:09:15 (and story names/descriptions, but idk how to display that) 15:09:23 snap again 15:09:27 :D at any rate, the old behaviour is restored 15:09:47 other in progress things... 15:10:09 search is listed. I have some search patches in review 15:10:23 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278987/ 15:10:55 that makes it more obvious that the header search isn't the 'main' search place 15:11:20 maybe helpful in the interim while we try to get search working a bit more intuitively 15:11:35 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279204/ 15:11:53 moves the search icon from the sidebar, to next to the header search 15:12:21 mainly to free up room on the sidebar 15:12:40 * ttx looks up the worklists 15:13:22 also because, as I understand it, eventually the page that button links to should be accessed the page of basic search results, as an 'advanced search' 15:13:44 there's also a patch for a page to view all boards and worklists on an instance 15:14:20 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279753/ 15:14:22 All of them? Another browse interface? 15:14:46 which should make them more discoverable, since currently a user can only browse via the url unless they are an owner or a user 15:15:14 persia: yes, all. it's not very useful, and not scalable, it's just more useful than nothing at all right now. 15:15:25 * SotK still isn't sure of the value of that page really 15:15:34 * persia either 15:15:58 at this point, mainly so that people can demo things, without adding everyone to a board/worklist 15:16:21 nice work there! 15:17:04 ttx: thank you! :) 15:17:16 (it's SotK's work but I'm saying thank you anyway, haha) 15:17:30 ttx: thanks :) 15:17:56 I think we may as well just share links, or make the search page show boards and worklists in its results the same way it does project groups 15:18:27 the other reason for having a boards/worklists page is so that users can display, say 'all worklists including things in foo story'. I think there are better ways of displaying that, but it might be simplest to start there. 15:18:33 It might be nice to have a means of discovering lists from a user and/or a team, but that might just be sharing links on other resources. 15:18:53 Zara: That's another use case I don't understand. 15:19:23 (my worry with linking from search is that it doesn't let people know boards and worklists exist.) 15:20:06 persia: swap 'story' for task, then, and add extra filters as appropriate until it matches 15:20:15 Right, but I don't care. 15:20:50 I care about worklists created by a team in which I wish to participate, or by someone with authority to claim my time (or offering reward for tasks done in some other way). 15:21:12 that's what I meant by 'extra filters as appropriate', sorry 15:22:09 I am also interested if several people are raising priority of a task (putting it on their worklist), and I may care who they are (because some "priority" statements are more important to others). I'm not sure how to get that from what is described. 15:23:13 show all worklists for x user, show all worklists for y task, show some combination of the two, etc. 15:24:20 I suppose I shouldn't complain. After many years, there is finally an issue tracker with worklists, and it can grow specific features as people use it (plus, without a browse, worklists are less discoverable). 15:25:27 * SotK thinks that is a valid use for the page, and no longer objects (but still thinks that his dream search page would make all the lists un-needed) 15:25:56 Any other in progress work? 15:26:38 2000478 was mentioned. Is that complete now? 15:27:40 I think so yeah 15:27:49 can someone link? 15:28:00 #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000478 15:28:10 ohh, story 15:28:20 I thought it referred to a commit, heh 15:28:36 * SotK looked at gerrit first also :) 15:28:48 * persia was looking at the agenda 15:28:52 (then realised it was too long) 15:30:10 oh yeah! 15:30:12 task links! 15:30:21 these are still in review 15:30:38 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277481/ 15:30:52 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277831/ 15:31:06 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277882/ 15:31:48 we've had a bit of a review bottleneck this week because SotK has been drowned in due-dates work 15:32:13 * SotK will try to get some reviewing done in the near future :) 15:32:43 the last one is listed as WIP, but that's just because of the appearance. removing the priority button fixes that, and there is a patch for that: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280259/ 15:33:38 I'm mainly concerned there will be something strange on the python side, anyway. 15:33:55 oh oh oh 15:33:57 and finally 15:34:00 make search boolean 15:34:03 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281890/ 15:34:13 that makes search work a bit better 15:34:21 you can use operators 15:34:23 sometimes 15:34:39 quotation marks are interpreted literally, for some reason 15:34:50 but + and - operators have worked for me while testing 15:35:17 hm, I thought quotation marks were working correctly when I was testing the other day 15:35:31 (where quotation marks are double quotes) 15:35:50 I tried that and they didn't seem to work (or possibly they worked for some resources and not others, just for extra fun) 15:36:31 :( 15:36:34 I think they worked for projects but not stories, but I'd have to check. It improved search enough overall that I didn't dig down at that point. 15:37:03 I was more interested in 'does this break anything that wasn't broken', heh 15:37:24 any other in progress work? 15:37:37 well, there's the task IDs patch... 15:37:46 but that's only interesting to someone testing a gerrit plugin, for example 15:37:53 and that person could cherry pick the change 15:38:09 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272667/ 15:38:12 * Zara links anyway 15:38:28 it doesn't look amazing, it might look weird with task links 15:38:34 in which case, task links should come first imo 15:38:47 because that's interesting/useful to more people right now 15:39:25 so many things to review! 15:39:40 any more? 15:39:44 the roles are reversed! :D 15:39:51 :D 15:39:55 no, I think that's it. from me, anyway 15:40:04 We've already mentioned the email config situation, so... 15:40:14 #topic StoryBoard Meetup 15:40:31 At the meetup, we said we'd decide on a date for the next one today 15:40:48 so we did! I completely forgot! :) 15:41:29 my notes say between May 16th and May 20th 15:41:33 I assume there was a reason for that 15:42:02 * SotK recalls someone mentioning some dates a little later than those in #storyboard 15:42:05 persia maybe? 15:42:55 I suggested somewhere in 22-25 May. 15:43:29 Reason being: ApacheCon (8-14 May), OSCON (14-21 May), pycon (27 May- 6 June) 15:43:40 seems sensible 15:44:01 The dates quoted are a bit wider than the official dates, because they represent my estimation of "busy time", including travel, etc. 15:44:47 I'm wondering why my notes say 16th-20th, since I wouldn't've written that at random. maybe another conference was mentioned at some point, and I didn't count in 'busy time' 15:45:34 we may never know 15:45:43 that seems fine, anyway 15:45:50 does anyone who may wish to attend have a preference they want to express? 15:46:24 betherly, anteaya, krotscheck, anyone else ^ 15:46:28 Also, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272667/ may be relevant. Doesn't affect May, but may mean rethinking about the following one. 15:46:39 Err, http://ttx.re/splitting-out-design-summit.html 15:47:14 Eh? 15:47:15 Ah 15:47:16 Hrm. 15:47:30 No preference. I my travel budget's already allocated, so I won't be able to come regardless. 15:47:36 Im going to be away 19-27th may :/ 15:48:03 I don't think the split affects us much (except to avoid design summit dates). We benefited from a full day of storyboard talk and that's unlikely to happen at a summit. 15:48:17 before/after then works for me :) 15:49:01 for me the change looks like it will mean same expenses, same need for midcycle, and worse food, but I doubt that'll sway anyone's decision 15:50:01 how would we feel about having it sometime after 27th May then? 15:50:37 I'd rather try for earlier, and find out if anyone interested is actually going to OSCON or Apachecon. 15:50:59 persia? 15:51:31 I'm not confident I can get to Manchester anytime in May right now, so don't let my schedule affect planning. 15:51:31 (otherwise it has to be after 6th June) 15:52:29 * SotK is fine with earlier 15:52:51 * betherly is also fine with earlier 15:53:16 * Zara arbitrarily picks 16th May for now. It clashes with OSCON. register anger if you want to go to OSCON. 15:53:24 that gives betherly a few days in between before travelling 15:53:56 wfm 15:54:13 ditto :) 15:55:01 Despite being unsure of my attendance, I think earlier is better in terms of not conflicting with other things. 15:55:11 #info 16th May picked as the date for the next StoryBoard meetup (for now) 15:55:21 #topic Open Discussion 15:55:42 3 mins left 15:55:50 oh, my clock's outta sync 15:55:56 *5* mins left 15:56:03 anyone have anything to discuss? 15:56:06 we should get dev instance 15:56:09 I asked infra about it 15:56:24 haven't noticed a response, if infra's too busy, can we set one up ourselves? 15:56:35 or resurrect storyboard.sotk.co.uk 15:57:16 * SotK will look at resurrection (or reincarnation) when he's done with due dates 15:57:44 okay, wfm 15:57:51 I just didn't want it slipping through the cracks, thanks 15:57:57 that's me done 15:58:26 #action SotK to resurrect storyboard.sotk.co.uk for a playground instance until we get a proper dev instance sorted 15:58:32 Anything else? 16:00:07 * SotK assumes not, and if there is it can go in #storyboard :) 16:00:08 #endmeeting