15:00:22 <SotK> #startmeeting storyboard
15:00:22 <Zara> NIGHT OR DAY
15:00:23 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Mar  9 15:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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15:00:26 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard'
15:00:39 <SotK> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda
15:01:19 <SotK> I don't know of any announcements or urgent items, so unless there is dissent we'll go straight to in progress work!
15:01:57 <Zara> fine by me
15:02:03 <SotK> #topic In Progress Work
15:02:24 <betherly> o/
15:02:26 <SotK> #info SotK is working on "automatic worklists"
15:02:29 <SotK> hey betherly
15:02:48 <SotK> automatic worklists are going pretty well, they're working now
15:02:48 <Zara> hi betherly! glad you could make it! :)
15:02:53 <Zara> yayyyyyyy
15:03:00 <Zara> I'm so happy automatic worklists are working at last!
15:03:05 <SotK> just working on getting the UI sort of presentable
15:03:05 <Zara> they've been a far-off dream for so long
15:03:21 <SotK> then I'll write a UI that allows lanes in boards to be automatically populated
15:03:32 <SotK> (but they won't be reorderable)
15:03:32 <Zara> okay, are you going to send the first bit to gerrit in between?
15:03:36 <SotK> yes
15:03:38 <Zara> cool
15:03:58 <Zara> and yeah, agree, if people wanna reorder auto lanes, deal with it when it comes
15:05:27 <Zara> can I get an eta on anything?
15:06:14 <SotK> auto worklists patches - this evening or maybe tomorrow if I get too hungry
15:06:38 <SotK> boards - hopefully by the end of the week, maybe early next week (not expecting this to be too difficult)
15:06:52 <Zara> I laughed out loud at 'if I get too hungry'
15:06:58 <Zara> I'm adding 2 weeks to your boards estimate
15:07:08 <Zara> :P
15:07:57 <Zara> I'm excited, anyway!
15:09:46 * SotK too
15:10:03 * SotK wonders what else is in progress
15:10:13 <Zara> (don't wear yourself out; aiui you're working late on thurs anyway)
15:10:25 <Zara> er, well, according to agenda, I'm working on serach
15:10:28 <Zara> *search
15:10:41 <Zara> but in practice, that's been parked this week while I've been reviewing
15:11:09 <Zara> and also because much of the automatic worklists work overlaps with search/filter
15:11:26 <Zara> I did rework https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279204/
15:11:32 <Zara> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279204/
15:11:51 <Zara> so that now removes the button except on mobiles
15:12:09 <Zara> where it moves to the top right, and hopefully the formatting is neat this time
15:12:19 <Zara> #info Zara reworked a tiny search patch
15:12:29 * SotK will test it when he's made things automatic
15:12:35 <Zara> :D
15:13:02 <Zara> yeah, that's my other reason for not getting too into it; if I upload wip stuff, nobody's free to review in detail
15:13:19 <Zara> other things...
15:13:48 <Zara> I've started looking at task-metadata again, because UI for task-links wasn't loved
15:14:04 <Zara> as it required removing 'priority' button
15:14:21 <Zara> and also doesn't really use everything to its full potential
15:14:34 <Zara> by which I mean, task 'links' are the same in the back end as story descriptions
15:14:50 <Zara> meaning you could also use them to comment directly on tasks, paste multiple links, etc
15:15:10 <Zara> so now I'd rather do it as a button that opens a modal, even though I'd rather get to a link with 1 click than two
15:15:23 <Zara> if it gets really irritating, we'll separate it out somehow, I guess
15:15:52 <Zara> #info Zara has been working on a modal for task metadata in the story view
15:16:38 <Zara> let me know if you're blocked and I may pester you if I'm stuck; I don't want to hold anything up on the automatic boards/worklists side
15:17:17 <Zara> so far I have a modal that can't show anything, a really weird button to link to it, and a close button that doesn't work
15:17:24 <Zara> ~just another wednesday~
15:17:29 <SotK> better than nothing at all :D
15:17:45 <Zara> hahaha, easy to say when you haven't seen it! :D
15:18:08 <Zara> but yeah, it should be cool once it works
15:18:32 <Zara> I think I'll have to rewrite the back end patches so that they refer to 'metadata' instead of 'links'
15:18:54 <Zara> not sure whether I should call everything links first, then rewrite, or make things inconsistent, then rewrite
15:19:21 * SotK would probably go for the second option
15:19:42 <Zara> okay
15:19:49 <Zara> figured I might as well ask now
15:19:56 <Zara> alternative is to just change all the backend patches first
15:19:57 <Zara> but
15:20:00 <Zara> that is procrastinating
15:20:32 <Zara> so yeah, sorry, been distracted by meetings and bad network this week, not done as much developing as I'd like
15:20:42 <Zara> END OF LONG SUMMARY
15:20:51 <Zara> that's me done
15:21:14 <SotK> any other in progress stuff?
15:21:35 <Zara> er, your comments stuff
15:21:37 <Zara> I guess
15:21:57 <SotK> oh yeah
15:22:08 <SotK> I made a quote button which is merged
15:22:15 <SotK> I made a permalink button that doesn't work
15:22:22 <SotK> I'll try to make it work at some point
15:22:43 <SotK> I made a patch to support threading in the backend
15:22:48 <Zara> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288997/
15:22:58 <SotK> supporting it in the frontend will be more complex though
15:23:30 <Zara> hah, still, nice to merge it so we don't have to dig it up later
15:23:36 <SotK> indeed
15:23:38 <Zara> if anyone wants to take a glance at that
15:23:55 <SotK> I also sent a patch to allow worklists and boards to be browsed by story and/or task id
15:24:20 <Zara> oh yeah, merge conflict currently
15:24:29 <Zara> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288910/
15:24:31 <SotK> which makes it possible to show a list of boards/worklists containing a story on the story detail view
15:24:32 * persia is very excited about that one
15:24:41 <SotK> (same for tasks)
15:25:07 <Zara> does anyone know what the conflict is?
15:25:25 <Zara> I am interested but haven't looked at it yet because of the conflict.
15:25:27 <SotK> yeah, we merged the archive cards thing
15:25:41 <SotK> so the patch doesn't apply cleanly
15:25:47 <SotK> I'll fix it up when I get home
15:26:08 <Zara> okay, please try not to die under a mountain of work
15:26:17 * SotK does his best
15:26:28 <Zara> if there's stuff I can help with, shout
15:26:54 <Zara> and I will run away-- I mean, I'll see what I can do
15:27:01 <SotK> :D
15:27:55 <SotK> Anything else?
15:28:27 <Zara> nothing here
15:28:34 <Zara> betherly?
15:29:23 <betherly> looking into d3 and angular graphs and experimenting but nothing solid to push yet :)
15:30:09 <SotK> sounds promising :)
15:30:12 <Zara> sounds exciting :) feel free to share weird WIP stuff or whatever (though I don't know how easy that is to do)
15:32:28 * SotK guesses we can safely move on now
15:32:28 <betherly> :)
15:33:17 <SotK> #topic Infra Email Config
15:33:33 <SotK> It seems one of the patches was -1'd pending documentation
15:33:33 <Zara> yeah, I left it in there because it's still waiting, don't have much to add
15:33:36 <Zara> yeah
15:33:54 <Zara> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270331/
15:34:59 <SotK> if there's nothing to add, then we'll carry on :)
15:35:14 <Zara> well, I was gonna say that, given that infra are so overloaded that it takes a month to update the patches as-they-are, I think we should assume we won't be surprised with comprehensive docs soon.
15:35:29 * SotK also assumes that
15:35:33 <anteaya> who are you waiting for for docs?
15:35:53 <anteaya> are you waiting for someone to write docs or review a docs patch?
15:36:13 <Zara> anteaya: jeblair was asked to document the structure used in one of the patches he's written so far
15:36:23 <Zara> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270331/
15:36:25 <Zara> that one
15:37:07 <anteaya> did he agree to document the structure?
15:37:31 <Zara> no, there's been no update agreeing or disagreeing as far as I know
15:38:09 <Zara> so I don't know that the -1 has stopped anyone from merging the patch as-is, but nobody had merged it before that
15:38:46 <Zara> oh, sorry, I linked the wrong one
15:38:47 <Zara> hang on
15:39:05 <anteaya> so on 331 I suggest fixing the error and submitting a new patch
15:39:16 <Zara> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270329/
15:39:20 <anteaya> it has been several weeks
15:39:54 <jeblair> oh, ha
15:39:58 <jeblair> i'm not going to document that
15:40:02 <jeblair> http://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/index.html
15:40:03 <anteaya> there's jeblair
15:40:04 <jeblair> exim has a manual
15:40:10 <jeblair> i'm not sure why i would rewrite it
15:40:14 <Zara> hi! :) ha, thanks for clarifying that.
15:40:28 <anteaya> jeblair: can you add a comment to 270329 stating that for nibalizer's benefit?
15:40:45 <jeblair> i did
15:40:53 <anteaya> wonderful thank yoi
15:41:04 <SotK> thanks jeblair
15:41:05 <anteaya> sorry I was slow
15:41:46 <Zara> yes, thank you for that. :) appreciate you going out of your way to help like this, fwiw.
15:42:04 <anteaya> so maybe someone can bring that comment to nibalizer's attention and perhaps he can re-review
15:43:27 <nibalizer> im about
15:43:49 <Zara> phew, I was about to mention it in #infra but didn't want to spam if you got gerrit notifications! :)
15:44:20 <Zara> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270329/
15:44:27 <Zara> has just been updated in reference to -1
15:45:42 <Zara> thanks, everyone :)
15:45:51 <anteaya> mordred just approved it
15:45:55 <anteaya> thanks mordred
15:46:01 <SotK> thanks folks :)
15:46:56 <SotK> #topic Public Test Instance
15:47:30 <SotK> so, I resurrected the frankenstoryboard at http://storyboard.sotk.co.uk/
15:47:50 * SotK has no idea what branches that is running, since I did it about 5 minutes before the meeting
15:48:01 * Zara peers at SotK
15:48:07 <SotK> we probably need a better long-term solution I'd guess
15:48:08 <anteaya> oh this is the storyboard used to have a test instance under infra and doesn't anymore, right?
15:48:32 <SotK> I don't know if it ever actually had a test instance under infra
15:48:41 <Zara> yeah, this one was never under infra, at least
15:49:00 <anteaya> was there never a storyboard-dev?
15:49:09 <Zara> I don't know.
15:49:15 <anteaya> I had thought we had a conversation and I thought I recall you saying so
15:49:19 <SotK> I think there was plans for one, but there was never one that I saw
15:49:20 <anteaya> doesn't matter
15:49:29 <anteaya> I don't know as there are plans
15:49:36 <anteaya> but I think there should be plans
15:49:52 <Zara> yeah, I would have been referring to this if I talked about a public dev instance, but it's not the same as a storyboard-dev under infra, so sorry if I caused any confusion there
15:49:53 * SotK thinks so too
15:49:56 <anteaya> to that end, how do folks feel if someone creates a spec for a storyboard-dev server
15:50:06 <anteaya> and offers that up to infra
15:50:24 <anteaya> Zara: I probably mis-remembered
15:51:45 <Zara> :) there's a chance there's already a spec somewhere, if it's something that needs a spec. There is a story for it somewhere...
15:51:48 <anteaya> did I take this topic in a direction other than what folks intended?
15:52:18 <Zara> I'm not sure either of us will get on to writing a spec unless we already have a clear idea of what should be in it, which might be going in a circle?
15:52:29 <anteaya> mostly I'm saying I don't think infra knows storyboard wants a dev instance, so a spec is a good way to communicate that
15:52:56 <anteaya> Zara: can you start an etherpad with a spec draft and I can help fill it out?
15:53:05 <anteaya> you or SotK
15:53:30 <Zara> anteaya: yes, we can, though we might not be able to put much thought in until next week
15:53:40 <Zara> so a very drafty draft, yes
15:53:51 <anteaya> next week is fine
15:53:57 <anteaya> drafty drafts are fine
15:54:09 <anteaya> I just think it is a way forward for infra to know you want this
15:54:14 <anteaya> if indeed you do want this
15:54:22 <anteaya> sorry if I'm putting words in your mouth
15:54:34 * SotK believes we do want this
15:54:40 <anteaya> oh good
15:54:42 <SotK> I want this anyway xD
15:54:45 <anteaya> cool
15:54:55 <anteaya> so whatever works for you
15:55:05 <anteaya> and pull me in so I can do the things I said I will do
15:55:33 <Zara> okay. :) I do want this, I just also can't promise I'll have time to do this and things I've already committed to.
15:55:40 <anteaya> fair enough
15:55:46 <Zara> until next week, but if that's fine then that's fine! :D
15:55:51 <Zara> 5 minutes left btw
15:56:01 <anteaya> SotK: do you think we will get to open discussion? I have an item for open discussion
15:56:09 <anteaya> Zara: that's fine
15:56:20 <SotK> if we're done on this topic, then yes, briefly :)
15:56:42 <SotK> I think we've reached consensus now anyway
15:57:02 <SotK> #topic Open Discussion
15:57:08 <anteaya> o/
15:57:13 <SotK> go ahead anteaya
15:57:16 <anteaya> thanks
15:57:25 <anteaya> who is going to be attending summit in Austin?
15:57:43 * anteaya looks at Zara and SotK
15:57:46 <anteaya> :)
15:57:49 <Zara> this we do not know yet, should know by the end of the week
15:57:53 <Zara> we've been lax in organising things
15:57:59 <anteaya> keep me posted please
15:58:01 <Zara> okay
15:58:05 <anteaya> you have your summit passes, yes?
15:58:15 <Zara> I do
15:58:17 <SotK> I also do
15:58:21 <anteaya> good
15:58:31 <anteaya> then it is just a matter of flights and hotels
15:58:39 <Zara> yup
15:58:41 <anteaya> great, so when you know let me know
15:58:48 <SotK> will do :)
15:58:51 <yuriy_n17> Hi
15:58:51 <anteaya> I'm looking forward to seeing you both, if possible
15:58:53 <anteaya> thanks
15:58:57 <anteaya> that's all I had
15:59:02 <Zara> yw, looking forward to seeing you, too! :)
15:59:06 <anteaya> :)
15:59:11 <SotK> +1
15:59:25 <Zara> 1 minute left... if there's anything else, I guess -> #storyboard
15:59:33 * SotK agrees
15:59:41 <SotK> thanks for your time everyone :)
15:59:47 <SotK> #endmeeting