15:00:48 <Zara> #startmeeting storyboard
15:00:49 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Mar 16 15:00:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Zara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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15:00:52 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard'
15:01:08 <Zara> #topic announcements
15:01:12 <Zara> There are none
15:01:22 <Zara> well, SotK is ill, and betherly is on holiday, if that counts
15:01:29 <Zara> expect merges to be a bit slower than usual
15:01:40 <Zara> #topic Urgent Items
15:01:47 <Zara> I have one thing listed!
15:01:53 <Zara> The last of the email config patches!
15:02:02 <Zara> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293367/
15:02:14 <Zara> I realise this is like an ongoing comedy skit at this point
15:02:19 <Zara> but that should be the last one
15:02:46 <Zara> it awaits reviews, please review if you want email notifications to come to a storyboard.openstack.org near you
15:03:00 <Zara> #topic In Progress Work
15:03:14 <Zara> SotK had been working on worklists and boards before illness
15:03:42 <Zara> his eta on Thurs was Fri, then he couldn't concentrate, and thought he might be ill; now he's ill
15:04:16 <Zara> so.... probably in review soon, ceteris paribus
15:05:13 <Zara> #info Automatic Worklists and Boards seems to be going well, progress frozen while SotK is ill
15:05:31 <Zara> I've been looking at task comments, this week
15:05:53 <Zara> or task notes, to use the term I *should* be using, in the name of consistency
15:06:08 <Zara> you can now comment directly on a task in storyboard
15:06:12 <Zara> it is the best
15:06:15 <Zara> I use it all the time
15:06:37 <Zara> #info you can now put notes on a task in storyboard from the story view
15:06:46 <Zara> I have some further patches for this in review
15:06:53 <persia> To be clear, this isn't a discussion on a task, but rather a single editable markdown field that people can populate with things?
15:06:59 <Zara> yes
15:07:12 * persia was worried for a moment by the use of "comment"
15:07:16 <Zara> yeah, that's why I should avoid calling it 'comments'
15:07:19 <Zara> it confuses things
15:07:27 <Zara> it's effectively a task-description
15:08:12 <Zara> (in terms of the implementation, anyway)
15:09:00 <Zara> there are some examples here, currently only viewable for someone logged-in
15:09:07 <Zara> #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000511
15:09:17 <Zara> you can see I went overboard :P
15:09:29 <Zara> so, other patches for that are in review:
15:09:41 <Zara> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/291755/
15:09:45 <Zara> that is the most important one
15:10:00 <Zara> it lets someone add/view notes to a task from the board view
15:10:18 <Zara> I predict it'll be very annoying to only be able to do it from the story view
15:10:47 <Zara> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292957/
15:11:00 <Zara> ^ lets logged-out people read, but not edit task notes
15:11:14 <Zara> and
15:11:15 <persia> My concern is that people may use these notes from other views in lieu of discussion in the story, which may cause either discussion to be lost or captured forever in the task description.
15:11:18 <Zara> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292462/
15:11:34 <persia> That said, we'll have to see how people actually use it :)
15:11:36 <Zara> mentions task notes in the list of task details in the 'task details changed' email
15:11:44 <Zara> agreed, I noticed it because I wanted to do it
15:12:07 <Zara> we might eventually want different things visible from boards vs stories... but it's a long way off!
15:13:19 <Zara> oh, just read backscroll, sorry, should've looked at window
15:13:50 <Zara> I think eventually we'll want history for task notes and things like that; theoretically it should go in the events timeline, but I'm not sure about the space around that
15:13:59 <Zara> when you add/change a note, it does a PUT
15:14:07 <persia> Maybe sometthing to discuss in Austin.
15:14:31 <Zara> and that triggers the 'task details changed' event, at least. so it shoudl be possible to have a 'task notes changed' event, and log the details of the task description change in the timeline
15:14:45 <Zara> we currently don't do that for story descriptions, either, and we should
15:14:58 <Zara> so I can see that being part of a bigger effort involving events timelines/history etc
15:15:08 <Zara> (along with history for boards/worklists)
15:17:41 <Zara> the task note changes will be recorded in emails (even without the task note email patch), so there will be a history, but not in the best place.
15:18:44 <Zara> Other in progress work... I have lots of misc stuff in review
15:18:53 <Zara> and most of it is waiting on SotK's +2 at this point
15:19:01 <Zara> or any other storyboard core, if anyone's around, I just default to his
15:19:23 <Zara> (he will be on holiday soon, so I will have to bang on some doors for a couple of weeks)
15:19:51 <Zara> if anyone's bothered by having multiple search icons, this is still in review:
15:19:56 <Zara> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279204/
15:20:49 <Zara> if anyone wants a very basic page that just lists all boards and worklists, we need the above + this:
15:21:01 <Zara> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279753/
15:21:31 <Zara> I'm used to storyboard so I'm happy to work around those until we have time to make the list of all boards + worklists nicer
15:21:45 <Zara> at this point, it's only of relevance to people who want to demo features
15:23:11 <Zara> the multiple search thing is confusing, but only for new users, and I think most of our users are used to it and don't care.
15:23:19 <Zara> so *shrug*
15:23:32 <Zara> moving on!
15:23:43 <Zara> #topic Discussion
15:23:58 <Zara> so we mentioned getting a public dev instance, last week
15:24:15 <Zara> I've written up motivations for that
15:24:20 <Zara> #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000028
15:24:31 <Zara> on an older story about it
15:24:35 <Zara> some tasks may be outdated
15:24:55 <Zara> #link http://storyboard.sotk.co.uk/#!/dashboard/stories
15:25:03 <Zara> ^ is the closest thing we have to a public playground instance atm
15:25:19 <Zara> I think SotK runs it at home or something
15:25:25 <Zara> I don't even know.
15:26:29 <Zara> oh, actually, no, I think it's on our infra. anyway, it's slower than production, and we dig it up when we want to demo something, so we don't maintain it well
15:26:41 <Zara> *our -> our employer's, not infra's
15:27:19 <Zara> actually I'll just stop speculating because sotk has like 30 instances and I can never remember which is which
15:28:16 <Zara> it'd be good to have something more official, that ran from master (or a dev branch)
15:28:56 <Zara> ran from -> was CD from
15:29:06 <Zara> I can't write words today
15:29:35 <Zara> anyway, hopefully that story makes it a bit clearer, please add details as appropraite
15:29:40 <Zara> *appropriate
15:29:55 <Zara> other things...
15:30:11 <Zara> I've put a task-tracking session on the infra etherpad, because why not
15:30:24 <Zara> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-newton-summit-planning
15:31:34 <Zara> in seriousness I'm not clear on task-tracker requirements and I'd like to get that clearer
15:31:35 <persia> On dev instance: isn't production CD from master?  Wouldn't we want some pre-CD collection of patches?
15:32:44 <Zara> persia: so, there are a few motivations. if we just want a playground, we can use master CD. if we want a place to demonstrate wip, I was thinking we could have a dev branch that would CD to a dev instance
15:33:19 <persia> Ah.  I see.
15:33:45 <Zara> or we have some combination, or something a bit different; I've just tried to collect some thoughts on it together
15:35:16 <Zara> for demoing wip, I think we may actually need multiple instances, but after a while it gets ridiculous
15:35:54 <Zara> (I'm thinking of situations where we're making DB changes that conflict with each other, so we can't just pull changes into one instance)
15:36:59 <Zara> anyway, returning to infra-task tracking-- if it's better as a cross-project session, I'd be fine with doing that instead
15:38:34 <Zara> I think we're already fairly clear on what storyboard will focus on in Newton, so it's more to check that it makes sense.
15:39:10 <Zara> if I get there and everyone's saying that a task-tracker needs VR, useful to know.
15:39:31 <Zara> moving on...
15:39:37 <Zara> #topic Open Discussion
15:39:54 <Zara> Openly discuss things!
15:40:23 <Zara> anyone have anything to discuss?
15:42:04 * Zara considers changing her nick to 'SotK' and having a discussion
15:42:33 <Zara> oh well, hope he feels better soon!
15:42:51 <Zara> In that case, I'll give it another coupla minutes, then end this meeting
16:00:43 <smcginnis> Zara: I think you forgot to actually end your meeting.
16:00:51 <Zara> sorry!
16:00:54 <Zara> #endmeeting