19:01:00 <Zara> #startmeeting storyboard
19:01:01 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Nov 23 19:01:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Zara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:01:04 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard'
19:01:12 <Zara> #topic Announcements
19:01:41 <Zara> I don't think we have any this week
19:02:01 <Zara> #topic Urgent Items
19:02:05 <Zara> None!
19:02:10 <Zara> #topic In-Progress Work
19:02:33 <Zara> So, this week I went to OpenStack Day France, and some stuff came out of that
19:02:38 <SotK> \o/
19:02:40 <SotK> do tell!
19:02:49 <Zara> hahaha, I was planning to come back to that in Discussion
19:03:03 <Zara> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting
19:03:07 <Zara> sneak preview ^
19:03:09 <SotK> that works for me :)
19:03:28 <SotK> I'm afraid I've done very little this week
19:04:18 <Zara> yeah, it's been a weird week
19:04:41 <Zara> we both spoke to the zuul team about some ui things, hoping for more feedback from there
19:04:55 <Zara> I sent a patch for SpamapS' suggestion
19:04:59 <Zara> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400381/
19:05:41 <Zara> that changes the 'stories' icon to a book
19:05:54 <Zara> since there was confusion over similarity with the 'tasks' icon
19:06:33 <Zara> so if people are interested in that, it's up there!
19:06:38 <SotK> oh nice
19:06:58 * SotK will review that later once I've decided how it makes me feel
19:07:14 <Zara> haha, yep, thought the best way for folk to discuss it was if they could see it
19:07:30 <Zara> I'm not attached to any particular icons for things
19:08:06 <Zara> so, other things...
19:08:31 <Zara> this is waiting on +workflow:
19:08:33 <Zara> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384532/
19:08:38 <Zara> which updates angular
19:08:54 * SotK wonders if he trusts the SotK of Oct 24
19:08:54 <Zara> so a 'longterm health of the webclient' thing
19:08:58 <Zara> haha
19:09:03 <Zara> well, there's a draft build
19:09:07 <SotK> trusts enough to +1 right now that is
19:09:27 <Zara> I did test it on my end pretty thoroughly, but I agree you shouldn't take that as a guarantee
19:10:29 <Zara> other things...
19:10:41 <Zara> the 'about' page subheading annoyed me, so I sent a patch
19:10:44 <Zara> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399195/
19:11:20 <Zara> I'm fine leaving it if others feel strongly against that, it stuck out to me and I couldn't leave it.
19:11:39 * SotK wonders what persia thinks of the new content
19:11:46 <Zara> +1
19:11:49 <Zara> is the thought
19:12:20 <Zara> (but I know not the specifics of the +1)
19:12:20 <SotK> I don't really have any strong objection to either form
19:12:41 <SotK> oh, I should have scrolled down
19:12:44 <Zara> hah
19:13:04 <Zara> oh!
19:13:08 <Zara> just noticed this
19:13:10 <Zara> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397341/
19:13:25 <Zara> it got caught because it got the requisite +1 after +2
19:13:30 <Zara> so it hasn't been +A'd
19:13:40 * SotK merges
19:13:42 <Zara> \o/
19:13:56 <Zara> *this time*, we'll have working install instructions
19:14:14 <Zara> (how many times will I repeat that with optimism...?)
19:14:16 <Zara> :)
19:14:50 <Zara> I think that's where I'm at with things; my changes have been pretty small and I've been travelling a bunch.
19:15:02 * SotK wonders if such a thing has ever existed for anything
19:15:20 <Zara> hah
19:16:03 <Zara> lmk if you see it!
19:16:21 <Zara> ready to move on to discussion?
19:16:48 <SotK> I am
19:17:00 <Zara> 3,
19:17:01 <Zara> 2
19:17:01 <Zara> 1
19:17:05 <Zara> #topic Discussion
19:17:17 <Zara> So!
19:17:32 <Zara> This Tuesday, I was at OpenStack Day, France!
19:17:34 * SotK is excited
19:18:10 <Zara> It was a nice event! Lots of informative talks, well organised, good wifi, tasty snacks
19:18:21 <SotK> sounds great
19:18:26 <SotK> I'm sad I couldn't make it
19:18:28 <Zara> so nice work, everyone involved in that! :D
19:18:48 <Zara> and yeah :( NEXT TIME
19:20:04 <Zara> anyway, while there, I spoke with diablo_rojo and ttx about migrating teams to StoryBoard and soforth
19:20:45 <Zara> one thing that's coming up a lot
19:21:29 <Zara> is that there's a lot of tribal knowledge about the concepts and motivations behind storyboard
19:22:08 <Zara> (probably because the conversation is between a similar group of folk at each summit, same for our meetings, and so-on)
19:22:53 <Zara> so, for example, people are asking if there's an API, as they don't have the context that it was designed to be an API-driven task-tracker.
19:23:18 <Zara> and this information is readily available from our documentation, but people will not stumble across that
19:24:04 <SotK> that makes sense
19:24:24 <SotK> I actually think the API point has even come up in the task tracking session both times I've been there too
19:24:37 <SotK> s/session/summit session/
19:25:52 <Zara> yeah, I think it's a lot of folks' biggest concern, so it tends to be the first question for a newcomer, and I think in many projects it's something you only find out by looking at code. so yeah, in general, we need an easily-findable collection of materials that offer some context
19:26:03 <Zara> explanations of the concepts (and how things map to lp), and so on
19:26:10 <Zara> at the moment, we have various scattered things
19:26:22 <Zara> FOR EXAMPLE
19:26:24 <Zara> #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000667
19:26:50 * Zara has wanted a nicer version of that as a base for the 'about' page for a while
19:27:20 <Zara> so one thing that came up
19:27:23 <Zara> was an idea to do a blog
19:27:32 <SotK> I would like a blog
19:27:53 <SotK> also, this story is really nice and shiny
19:29:05 <Zara> haha, it's something I periodically realise we need when people start asking questions, then it gets put down the list...
19:29:33 <Zara> I got things to line up by drawing them on paper and then tracing them with a tablet, because I don't quite understand how to use any technology, apparently
19:29:48 <Zara> (paper = grid paper)
19:30:02 <Zara> anyway, yeah, blog!
19:30:16 <Zara> so, 'wordpress' came up; I think pelican is prrrrobably a better fit for us
19:31:14 <Zara> since I know you admin a pelican site already, and I have at least deployed a pelican thing for testing before
19:32:06 <SotK> where admin == have recently started utilising, yeah
19:32:26 <SotK> oh actually, there is also a blog that uses it that is older than that that I look after
19:32:37 <Zara> hi, expert
19:32:39 <SotK> yes, I like pelican, +1 for pelican over wordpress
19:33:18 <Zara> \o/ cool, I'm wondering about starting by putting things in a repo and then deciding where it can live later.
19:33:33 <SotK> that works for me
19:33:58 <Zara> I'd prefer more people around before we make anything formal, but I also don't want to get bogged down debating the best infrastructure
19:34:38 <Zara> so I'd rather just try to get something up, then replace if vetoed. (I really doubt anyone would veto, though)
19:34:57 <SotK> yeah, that seems like a sensible approach to me
19:35:07 <Zara> woop
19:35:12 <SotK> now we get to debate where to put the repo!
19:35:17 <Zara> hahaha
19:36:07 <Zara> I like the idea of it being its own project, though that could take longer to set up, so we might want to make something first then import later
19:36:59 <SotK> I feel like it definitely needs its own repository rather than being shoehorned elsewhere
19:37:57 <Zara> yeah, when I say 'make something first', I was thinking of stuffing a repo into some free repo site hosting service thing someplace (I think I stumbled across some a while back, can't remember names offhand)
19:38:26 <SotK> ah, good
19:39:49 <SotK> we could use github pages perhaps?
19:40:34 <Zara> yeah, I'd rather host it elsewhere for anything more serious than early 'hey does this look right?' purposes
19:40:40 * SotK too
19:41:02 <SotK> but github feels acceptable for "throw something up quickly" to me
19:41:21 * Zara currently uses it for her website but feels guilty
19:41:43 <Zara> so yeah, agreed on that
19:42:15 * Zara won't use an actual '#agreed' since it's just us
19:42:21 <SotK> :D
19:42:24 <Zara> but I think we have enough to go on to put a skeleton up
19:42:34 <SotK> shall we try to set somethign skeletal up by next meeting then?
19:42:40 <Zara> sounds good to me
19:42:49 <Zara> we've got 18 minutes left
19:43:57 <SotK> anything else you have that needs discussing here?
19:44:03 <Zara> hm, well, would you rather start it or should I?
19:44:22 * Zara is wondering if 'we' will mean we both procrastinate and rush on tues
19:45:20 <SotK> I will try to throw something together this weekend, feel free to beat me to it :)
19:45:29 <Zara> okay, challenge accepted!
19:46:00 * Zara hasn't built one from scratch but should learn, and likes fussing with templates
19:46:59 <Zara> that's all I have to say on that; I'm hoping we can get a more detailed overview from other folk when they're no longer on planes and whatnot
19:47:21 <Zara> (specific questions that keep coming up, etc)
19:48:03 <SotK> I have nothing else to add either
19:48:22 <SotK> I agree that more details from other folk would be best obtained when they are on solid ground
19:49:42 <Zara> yup
19:51:18 <Zara> oh, I guess the other thing that's coming up is that the mobile interface is putting people off
19:51:28 <Zara> compared with other tools that offer boards
19:52:08 <SotK> yeah, storyboard isn't great on mobile
19:52:40 <SotK> I was reminded of that earlier in this meeting (my browser is half-width today and so I'm seeing the tablet version)
19:53:19 <Zara> yeah, I think we have some form of 'fix mobile interface' story somewhere, and I hope/plan to divide that up
19:53:34 <Zara> into pieces I can look at one at a time
19:54:01 <Zara> though I think the big dependency for that was the less/sass change
19:54:07 <Zara> (hi betherly_! :P)
19:54:31 <betherly_> o/
19:54:44 <betherly_> nipped in for the end! Sorry to be so late
19:54:53 <betherly_> will review logs :)
19:54:53 <SotK> hi betherly_, no worries :)
19:55:05 <Zara> no problem, it's great to see you! :D
19:55:12 <betherly_> :)
19:55:12 <SotK> oh yeah, what is holding that up these days?
19:55:38 <betherly_> my time :p
19:55:54 <betherly_> things have been super busy trying to get set up at red hat
19:56:12 <Zara> :) how's it going? (yeah, headings were different sizes so I wanted to check fonts were rendering right, and needs a rebase)
19:56:59 <betherly_> basically less compiles css in a different order to sass so I need to ensure nothing's being over written
19:58:42 <Zara> cool, I can fix mobile things in a hacky way, I'm just wary of it needing further rebases if I do that
19:58:47 <Zara> also the emotional pain my hacks will cause
19:59:18 <SotK> :D
19:59:31 <Zara> oh, nearly out of time!
19:59:38 <Zara> I guess we can talk more in #storyboard if people want
20:00:13 <Zara> #endmeeting