19:03:05 <SotK> #startmeeting storyboard
19:03:06 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Jun 20 19:03:05 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:03:09 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard'
19:03:40 <SotK> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda
19:04:11 <SotK> #topic Announcements
19:04:53 <SotK> the API SIG migrated!
19:06:00 <SotK> #topic Migration Updates
19:06:55 * SotK waits for diablo_rojo_phon to finish ordering lunch
19:07:36 <SotK> #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/45 Progress Board
19:10:52 <diablo_rojo_phon> IRC on lappy disconnected without me noticing
19:11:02 <diablo_rojo_phon> Here :)
19:12:07 <diablo_rojo> There we go
19:12:35 <diablo_rojo> Vitrage will be migrating Friday
19:12:50 <diablo_rojo> the project config change patch is already up and ifat already +1ed
19:13:31 <SotK> nice!
19:13:39 <diablo_rojo> Yep!
19:13:50 <diablo_rojo> I feel like Manila is right around the corner
19:14:04 <diablo_rojo> and if we can get that one patch of mine updating the private description..
19:14:11 <diablo_rojo> we could probably have glance too
19:14:29 * diablo_rojo nudges SotK
19:14:35 <SotK> heh, I guess its about time to merge that
19:15:08 * SotK +A's
19:15:37 <diablo_rojo> YAY!
19:15:39 <diablo_rojo> Thank you :)
19:16:04 <SotK> np :)
19:16:38 <SotK> have you heard anything about how the test migration has worked out for Cinder/Manila?
19:16:54 <diablo_rojo> I can reach out to Glance then and see if they are up for migrating in the next week or so.
19:17:12 <diablo_rojo> Not since I sent them links to their project groups in the dev instancce
19:17:21 <diablo_rojo> I think they are off exploring and figuring things out before migrating
19:17:37 <SotK> makes sense
19:17:38 <tbarron> SotK: diablo_rojo: I don't think anyone has tried it in manila but myself and I've had very limited bandwidth
19:17:46 <diablo_rojo> Oh. I also talked to TripleO a bit and it sounds like they havent had time to update their tooling yet.
19:17:52 <smcginnis> diablo_rojo: Correct
19:17:53 <diablo_rojo> tbarron, seems to be a common theme
19:18:08 <diablo_rojo> I wish we all had more time :)
19:18:12 <diablo_rojo> Hello fatema__ :)
19:18:17 <tbarron> SotK: diablo_rojo: I'd need to build a lot of launchpad-like higher level stuff before they'll get on board
19:18:33 <tbarron> SotK: diablo_rojo: even if later on we decide that's not the best way to go forwards
19:18:46 <tbarron> SotK: diablo_rojo: they want to see launchpad priorities, etc.
19:18:57 <fatema__> Hello, diablo_rojo xD
19:19:05 <diablo_rojo> tbarron, there are definitely mental hurdles that take people time to get past. Theres a lot more freedom in sb and its scary to a lot of people.
19:19:19 <tbarron> SotK: diablo_rojo: fungi gave me lots of good tips, the problem is that my weekend and nights are full of other extra jobs already
19:19:31 <diablo_rojo> tbarron, you and me both :)
19:19:31 <tbarron> diablo_rojo: it's a lower level tool than launchpad
19:19:40 <tbarron> that's a virtue and a challenge
19:20:00 <diablo_rojo> tbarron, I like the freedom and flexibility and that we can change things as we see fit :)
19:20:01 <tbarron> because we have to build higher-level stuff that will make it seem a useful replacement
19:20:09 <diablo_rojo> The prospect of getting rid of ubuntuOne isnt bad either.
19:20:21 <tbarron> they don't want the flexibility right now because they have other jobs to do and are used to LP
19:20:23 <diablo_rojo> And you get to do that to fit your teams workstyles.
19:20:26 <tbarron> with its warts
19:20:42 <diablo_rojo> Yeah. I get that.
19:20:56 <tbarron> I'm convinced that the flexibility is worth it.  We use trello downstream effectively and I'd like to do similar things upstream.
19:21:02 <tbarron> But it's a tough sell.
19:21:21 <diablo_rojo> I dont think you'll ever get everyone on board.
19:21:31 <diablo_rojo> At a certain point you just gotta pull the trigger
19:21:38 <tbarron> just giving candid report from where I sit; I want to move this ahead but it's going to take a bit.
19:21:53 <tbarron> diablo_rojo: yah, but I'm just PTL, not autocrat :D
19:22:15 <tbarron> diablo_rojo: that said, I understand we may not have 100% consensus
19:22:19 <diablo_rojo> tbarron, no worries. You aren't the only one in this position.
19:22:30 <diablo_rojo> And we still have other projects migrating in the meantime.
19:22:52 <fungi> oh, hi. i lost track of time (again!)
19:22:55 * fungi sighs
19:24:14 <diablo_rojo> fungi, no worries :)
19:25:04 <fungi> tbarron: and no pressure. everybody's busy, we're not out to make more work for anyone ;)
19:25:24 <fungi> projects can migrate to sb when they feel the time is right
19:25:35 <diablo_rojo> Yeah exactly.
19:25:46 <diablo_rojo> Not concerned if you all need more time to get used to things.
19:25:49 <SotK> +1
19:26:17 * SotK also has more work than is sensible and doesn't want to rush anyone
19:26:55 <SotK> any more migration updates?
19:27:21 <diablo_rojo> Um.. not at the moment I don't think
19:27:34 <SotK> #topic In Progress Work
19:28:08 <diablo_rojo> We got most of the MQTT things in I think? But there was one regression that we hit?
19:28:12 <fungi> there's a bunch of storyboard-webclient changes up for review which look like really good candidates for me to review very soon
19:28:17 <diablo_rojo> Have we looked into that more yet?
19:28:18 <fungi> yeah the mqtt patches were reverted for now
19:28:27 * diablo_rojo has webclient reviews on her todolist
19:28:37 <fungi> there was some strange side effect with database locks
19:28:54 <fungi> mtreinish had a theory i think but not sure if he's had time to dig deeper
19:29:11 <SotK> yeah we should merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548202/ at least
19:29:12 <patchbot> patch 548202 - openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient - Fix syntax highlighting
19:29:49 * diablo_rojo opens tab to review post meeting
19:29:56 <fungi> approved
19:30:04 <fungi> you had already +2'd it diablo_rojo
19:30:08 <SotK> thanks!
19:30:16 <fungi> it's simple enough and already tested
19:30:18 <diablo_rojo> Lol
19:30:47 <diablo_rojo> Oh yeah fungi can you review/merge SotK's URLs patches
19:30:57 <SotK> heh, I was just typing the same
19:31:02 <diablo_rojo> Heh :)
19:32:17 <fungi> i've starred those and will take a look
19:32:24 <SotK> thanks fungi
19:33:34 <SotK> anything else in progress folk want to mention?
19:33:38 <diablo_rojo> Thanks fungi :) Sorry to keep asksing you for things.
19:33:43 <diablo_rojo> I should have docs changes by Friday
19:33:52 <diablo_rojo> please take a look at those when they come out
19:34:05 <diablo_rojo> I know they still technically are more related to the webclient
19:34:31 <diablo_rojo> but we need something out there to give people when they wanna get upset about not understanding how things work
19:34:41 * SotK will look at them when you send them
19:35:01 <fungi> diablo_rojo: i too am sorry you have to keep asking me to review stuff. i never get around to doing as much code review as i would like
19:35:30 <diablo_rojo> fungi, if its any consolation...I definitely don't either.
19:36:06 <SotK> you both do more than me :)
19:37:04 <fungi> i doubt it, we just get to do more of it here
19:37:55 <SotK> heh, maybe true
19:37:56 <diablo_rojo> You've done a lot more work historically than fungi and I combined I would guess
19:38:20 <fungi> i feel like i spend most of my days writing e-mail, to be honest
19:38:36 <diablo_rojo> fungi, writing email and chasing people
19:39:11 * diablo_rojo realizes we have a solid pity party going here
19:39:17 * diablo_rojo breaks up the party
19:39:20 <SotK> :)
19:39:22 <SotK> #topic Open Discussion
19:39:33 <diablo_rojo> I had added one other topic last min
19:39:35 <diablo_rojo> to the agenda
19:39:38 <diablo_rojo> Wiki Overhaul
19:39:45 <SotK> #undo
19:39:46 <openstack> Removing item from minutes: #topic Open Discussion
19:39:54 <SotK> #topic Wiki Overhaul
19:39:57 <diablo_rojo> Ha ha sorry :)
19:40:13 <diablo_rojo> SO basically the wiki kinda makes it look like we havent done anything in 2 years..
19:40:14 <SotK> my bad for not refreshing to be sure
19:40:21 <diablo_rojo> No worries :)
19:40:25 <SotK> yeahhhh, we should fix that
19:40:32 <diablo_rojo> I can work on that today.
19:40:45 <diablo_rojo> Not sure what all we really want to live there besides links to docs
19:41:15 <diablo_rojo> I can go through and delete/reorganize with your blessing if thats cool
19:41:41 <diablo_rojo> Also.. if we could get an updated db schema SotK that would be HUGE I think
19:42:04 <SotK> I think probably just having links to docs and information on how to contribute and contact us is fine
19:42:13 <diablo_rojo> Yeah thats what I was thinking
19:42:31 <diablo_rojo> The updated DB schema would be just a good reference to have elsewhere
19:42:43 * diablo_rojo was scrolling through wiki and was reminded
19:42:49 <diablo_rojo> Doesn't need to live there persay
19:42:59 <SotK> may as well be there for now I guess
19:43:06 <SotK> I'll create an updated one
19:43:24 <fungi> yeah, and don't put any dated information (e.g., meeting schedule) on the wiki, just link to other places where the relevant information lives
19:43:29 <diablo_rojo> Thank you! I'll keep the old one till you make the new one. Will just shuffle around. .
19:43:37 <diablo_rojo> fungi, yup
19:43:48 <diablo_rojo> the Meetups in particular caused confusion the other day
19:44:01 <diablo_rojo> people think that cause there hasnt been one- sb isnt being developed anymore
19:44:11 <SotK> it might be worth keeping the various design notes things somewhere as they offer a bit of perspective that has been useful to refer to at times, but they probably don't need to be so prominently linked
19:46:01 <diablo_rojo> Yeah I plan on reading through everything and refactoring rather than blatantly deleting :)
19:46:06 <diablo_rojo> As good as that would feel ;)
19:46:25 <fungi> sounds great
19:46:31 <SotK> indeed, thanks diablo_rojo
19:46:56 <diablo_rojo> So my todo's- make wiki better and make docs better
19:46:57 <diablo_rojo> got it
19:47:03 <diablo_rojo> and code reviews lol
19:47:06 <diablo_rojo> already forgot
19:48:11 <SotK> :)
19:48:40 <SotK> #topic Open Discussion
19:49:25 <SotK> anything to discuss or shall we end the meeting early?
19:49:39 <fungi> i've approved the url changes to sbwc now
19:49:46 <fungi> all looked great to me
19:50:07 <SotK> nice, thanks
19:50:11 <fungi> i'll double-check production here in a bit to make sure it's remained sane after that gets unfurled
19:51:21 <diablo_rojo> Awesome.
19:51:28 <diablo_rojo> That should clear up some more issues.
19:51:41 <diablo_rojo> At some point we should circle back to the list of octavia concerns and make sure they are okay
19:52:01 <diablo_rojo> fatema__, did you have anything you wanted to say on your work?
19:53:10 <fatema__> well, I have been going through the code to figure out what to do and where exactly should be implemented
19:53:42 <fatema__> I don't really have something to say
19:54:02 <fatema__> but some question marks maybe
19:54:28 <fatema__> and trying to find the questions to ask
19:54:38 <diablo_rojo> fatema__, no worries :) You know where to find us when you figure out the questions :)
19:54:55 <fungi> figuring out the right questions is usually harder than figuring out the answers to them ;)
19:54:57 <fatema__> diablo_rojo, is there something to be discussed here ?
19:56:25 <fatema__> fungi, it's also when to give up searching and start asking
19:56:43 <diablo_rojo> fatema__, not if you don't have anything atm :)
19:56:53 <diablo_rojo> Just wanted to make sure you had an opening :)
19:56:57 <diablo_rojo> In case you had something :)
19:57:28 <fatema__> diablo_rojo, thanks ^^
19:57:50 <fatema__> at the moment I'm still taking in
19:57:53 <fatema__> xD
19:58:42 <diablo_rojo> That's totally cool :)
19:58:50 <diablo_rojo> I think that's all I had for this week
19:59:00 <SotK> +1
19:59:05 <SotK> (to both sentiments)
19:59:56 <SotK> thanks for your time everyone
19:59:58 <SotK> #endmeeting