17:01:05 <sridhar_ram> #startmeeting tacker
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17:01:15 <sridhar_ram> #topic Roll Call
17:01:20 <sridhar_ram> who is here for tacker ?
17:01:24 <bobh> o/
17:01:31 <vishwanathj> o/
17:01:54 <sripriya> o/
17:01:58 <s3wong> o/
17:02:08 <zhurong> o/
17:02:26 <sridhar_ram> hi everyone.. lets get started..
17:02:34 <sridhar_ram> #topic Agenda
17:02:44 <sridhar_ram> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Jan_19.2C_2016
17:03:05 <sridhar_ram> anything else beyond this ?
17:03:50 <sridhar_ram> lets continue
17:03:58 <sridhar_ram> #topic Announcements
17:04:24 <sridhar_ram> Tacker midcycle planned for Jan 28 - 29 in San Jose, CA
17:04:46 <sridhar_ram> etherpad is here #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-mitaka-midcycle
17:05:09 <sridhar_ram> at this time I see very few folks signed up to show up.. virtual or physical
17:05:51 <sridhar_ram> if anyone planning to attend but haven't signed up please do soon...
17:07:01 <sridhar_ram> #topic Midcycle Meetup Agenda
17:07:17 <sridhar_ram> I'd like to firm up the Agenda for the meetup...
17:08:01 <sridhar_ram> One general theme we can go, use Day 1 to discuss the current Mitaka related arch, design & implementation
17:08:15 <sridhar_ram> and use Day 2 for forward looking, evolution of Tacker
17:08:21 <sridhar_ram> what do you folks think ?
17:08:32 <bobh> sounds good to me
17:08:36 <brucet> Fine by me
17:08:46 <vishwanathj> +1
17:09:05 <sridhar_ram> okay...
17:09:09 <sripriya> +1
17:09:37 <s3wong> +1
17:09:41 <sridhar_ram> So for Day 1 .. do we want the cycle through the major blueprints ? any other suggestion ?
17:10:32 <brucet> Need a discussion on overall design for Tacker
17:11:05 <sripriya> Tacker general architecture as it evolves
17:11:08 <sridhar_ram> brucet: sure, we can take that up on Day 2, how we want to evolve Tacker...
17:11:18 <brucet> OK
17:11:46 <sridhar_ram> For Day 1, lets start with TOSCA Parser work as it underpins many other activities...
17:12:15 <sridhar_ram> bobh: I'd expect you to drive this..would that be fine ?
17:12:32 <bobh> sridhar_ram: yes
17:13:24 <sridhar_ram> perhaps we can take up Auto Resource Creation and Efficient VNF Placement
17:13:42 <vishwanathj> sure
17:14:01 <sridhar_ram> we can cover these topics Thursday AM
17:14:18 <sridhar_ram> and continue with SFC in the afternoon...
17:14:29 <sridhar_ram> s3wong: would be able to drive the SFC portion of the meetup ?
17:14:43 <s3wong> sridhar_ram: sure -- though I may need to be remote
17:15:17 <sridhar_ram> s3wong: okay...
17:15:47 <sridhar_ram> Lets move to Day 2...
17:16:22 <sridhar_ram> perhaps we can keep Day 2 agenda open ended..
17:16:39 <sridhar_ram> Tacker Architecture evolution...
17:17:33 <sridhar_ram> any other midcycle topics you are interested ?
17:18:05 <sridhar_ram> I've live edited the etherpad at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-mitaka-midcycle
17:19:09 <sridhar_ram> Thanks for the Newton correction!
17:19:27 <sridhar_ram> lets move on..
17:19:39 <s3wong> Oh --- N release has a name already, huh?
17:19:51 <bobh> just announced today
17:19:51 <s3wong> haven't even been tracking openstack-dev mail...
17:20:05 <s3wong> (and I didn't vote for the names neither...)
17:20:09 <sridhar_ram> s3wong: news to me as well.. nice pick though
17:20:33 <s3wong> sridhar_ram: I can foresee legal issue behind that one, though :-)
17:20:46 <vishwanathj> i voted for newton
17:20:53 <sridhar_ram> s3wong: I was thinking the same... hope this one sticks
17:21:05 <sridhar_ram> #topic Mitaka Multi-Site
17:21:20 <sridhar_ram> brucet: as promised last week... :)
17:21:31 <sridhar_ram> sripriya: take it away...
17:21:35 <brucet> OK
17:21:40 <sripriya> sridhar_ram: sure
17:22:07 <sripriya> sridhar_ram: uploaded a new version for spec with some updates, the major thing being the vim_id attribute
17:22:40 <sripriya> sridhar_ram: vim_id selection was moved from VNFD template back to VNF creation operation
17:22:47 <sripriya> since vim
17:22:53 <brucet> Is the log term plan to use Tricircle?
17:23:17 <sripriya> since vim_id is driven by NFVO to place the VNF and is given as an input dynamically to VNFM
17:23:46 <vishwanathj> brucet what is Tricircle?
17:24:03 <sripriya> and as the ETSI doc says the vim_id is part of VNFC
17:24:17 <sripriya> which is the actual VNF instance
17:24:17 <brucet> Openstack project that is essentially doing the same thing as Multi-Site
17:25:00 <vishwanathj> thanks
17:25:20 <sridhar_ram> brucet: yes, if there is enough interest from the operators / users .. we should consider Tacker -> Tricircle integration
17:25:45 <sridhar_ram> brucet: .. but we need something basic, in-built.
17:26:22 <brucet> So what about the standalone Heat multi cloud that I proposed before for short term?
17:26:48 <brucet> If long term is Tricircle, then you want to invest as little as possible for short term.
17:27:09 <sridhar_ram> brucet: No, I don't see long term is Tricircle..
17:27:27 <sripriya> brucet: that requires a dedicated node running heat service only with specific configuration for stand alone
17:27:43 <sripriya> but tacker can talk to such a heat service too to orchestrate VNFs
17:28:12 <brucet> You are saying that standalone Heat cannot run on same node as Tacker?
17:28:21 <sridhar_ram> IMO, tacker will support multiple deployment scenarios...the next logical thing to support is multi-site with keystone federation
17:29:10 <sripriya> it can run, but cannot deploy on local infrastructure
17:30:05 <sridhar_ram> brucet: there is an item in Day 2 midcycle, for what I'm putting as "Standalone Tacker"...
17:30:45 <sridhar_ram> brucet: ... it is an evolution of Tacker MultiSite where Tacker service can just run by itself.
17:31:12 <sripriya> yeah
17:31:19 <brucet> I think more discussion is needed on this topic.
17:31:41 <sridhar_ram> brucet: true, lets use Day 2 of midcycle for some open ended discussion..
17:31:52 <brucet> IMHO These issues cannot be resolved via IM. Too complex
17:31:55 <brucet> OK
17:32:42 <sridhar_ram> Another *major* I would like to reiterate is Tacker is not just a layer on top of Heat.. we tend to use Heat as it cuts our development time...
17:33:46 <sridhar_ram> If something else make spins VMs easier we will cut over to that :)
17:34:04 <brucet> Agree that there are some features in ETSI NFV that are out of scope of Heat and Tricircle
17:34:17 <brucet> But there is major overlap.
17:35:31 <sridhar_ram> I'd argue there is a overlap between Nova and libvirt .. but we still see the benefits of an Cloud API in Nova
17:35:45 <sridhar_ram> same argument here...
17:36:07 <sridhar_ram> NFV community need to string a bunch of services to get their NFV orchestration going ...
17:36:12 <sridhar_ram> *need NOT
17:36:42 <sridhar_ram> Tacker is an one stop service to gets things going for NFV
17:37:11 <sridhar_ram> back to the spec, I think we should wrap this one soon..
17:37:13 <brucet> Is there a goal to avoid overlap in other projects where it makes sense?
17:38:07 <sridhar_ram> brucet: true, again w.r.t to delivering faster features using overlap projects underneath Tacker...
17:38:39 <brucet> OK. So, maybe we can make some progress in f2f on this topic.
17:38:55 <sridhar_ram> brucet: sounds good..
17:39:24 <sridhar_ram> sripriya: back to the spec, having vim_id in the API for now sounds okay to me...
17:39:30 <LouisF> joined late when is f2f?
17:39:54 <sripriya> sridhar_ram: yeah
17:39:56 <sridhar_ram> sripriya: we can always add to the template if there is an aske
17:40:00 <sridhar_ram> *ask
17:40:20 <sripriya> sridhar_ram: ok
17:40:27 <sridhar_ram> LouisF: Jan 28 - 29th, please sign up at the etherpad here.. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-mitaka-midcycle
17:40:46 <s3wong> LouisF:  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-mitaka-midcycle
17:41:06 <sridhar_ram> anything else on Multisite...?
17:41:19 <LouisF> thx
17:41:28 <sripriya> sridhar_ram: EOD, it would still be NFVO resource orchestration module which would guide vim_id decision as it evolves
17:41:59 <sripriya> sridhar_ram: tackerclient and horizon basic UI is done, probably this week to focus on VIM health monitoring
17:42:35 <sridhar_ram> sripriya: cool.. good progress
17:42:41 <sridhar_ram> team, specifically tacker-cores, please review this multi-site https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249085/ ...
17:42:53 <sripriya> sridhar_ram: NFVO alignment is very similar to VNFM with plugin/driver framework implementation
17:43:40 <sridhar_ram> sripriya: cool, we are official foraying into NFVO territory with multi-site and SFC :)
17:44:06 <sripriya> we could discuss in the midycle meetup for further evolving the NFVO
17:44:14 <sridhar_ram> we need get to network services area in the next cycle to get more things going in that area
17:44:21 <sripriya> yes
17:44:23 <sridhar_ram> sounds good..
17:44:39 <sridhar_ram> lets moves on..
17:44:57 <sridhar_ram> #topic Service Function Chaining
17:45:12 <sridhar_ram> since s3wong and LouisF are here ..
17:45:37 <sridhar_ram> s3wong: LouisF: can you guys give a quick update on neutron networking-sfc ?
17:45:45 <sridhar_ram> where does the project stand now ?
17:46:08 <sridhar_ram> s3wong: I'm particularly interested in the Tacker --> neutron sfc integration path
17:46:25 * sridhar_ram apologies for putting you both in the spot
17:46:49 <LouisF> we will complete merging all parches this week and release in M2
17:47:04 <LouisF> patches
17:47:22 <sridhar_ram> LouisF: cool, that would be with ovs driver ?
17:47:30 <LouisF> we have a ovs driver and an onos driver is soon to be added
17:48:11 <sridhar_ram> LouisF: any plan to add ODL driver ?
17:48:33 <LouisF> we would welcome help in that area
17:48:55 <LouisF> the onos driver would serve as an example
17:49:28 <sridhar_ram> LouisF: okay... I'll poke few people around for an ODL driver.
17:50:05 <sridhar_ram> btw, my motivation for an ODL driver is to avoid direct odl api call from tacker.. instead go through neutron for all the scenarios
17:50:20 <LouisF> we have done extensive testing in several networking scenarios: multi-node, cross-subnet, scale-out/in...
17:50:22 <sridhar_ram> LouisF: thanks for the update!
17:50:52 <LouisF> we would work with anyone on the odl driver
17:51:50 <sridhar_ram> LouisF: sounds good.. I'm not sure who owns neutron-odl plugin .. they would be the good candidates to take this up.
17:52:02 <LouisF> sridhar_ram: yes
17:52:22 <sridhar_ram> will ask armax and mestery
17:52:46 <sridhar_ram> quick FYI, tim rozet is bit busy with OPNFV release these weeks... he plans to push the patchset for Tacker SFC in couple of weeks.
17:52:49 <LouisF> we are also monitoring closely work on adding nsh support in an official ovs release
17:53:30 <LouisF> an will incorporate nsh into the ovs driver as soon as that is complete
17:53:40 <sridhar_ram> LouisF: true, that is a common denominator which ever way we go...
17:53:51 <sridhar_ram> LouisF: current driver uses mpls ?
17:54:40 <LouisF> sridhar_ram: yes, but that is intended to be a temporary solution until nsh support in ovs is available
17:54:56 <sridhar_ram> LouisF: sounds good...
17:55:19 <LouisF> is allows to test and validate the sfc overlay steering
17:55:54 <sridhar_ram> LouisF: okay
17:56:07 <sridhar_ram> LouisF: appreciate the update!
17:56:11 <sridhar_ram> lets move on..
17:56:17 <sridhar_ram> #topic Open Discussion
17:56:25 <LouisF> sridhar_ram: you're welcome
17:56:39 <sridhar_ram> a quick note, from the ETSI side..
17:57:30 <sridhar_ram> last week multiple SDOs met in Denver to evolve a common Information Model (eventually a Data Model) for the whole NFV community
17:58:03 <sridhar_ram> I represented both TOSCA and Tacker .. and it was quite well received
17:58:16 <sridhar_ram> See #link http://www.etsi.org/news-events/news/1053-2016-01-news-etsi-seeks-harmonization-of-nfv-information-modelling-across-standards-bodies-and-open-source
17:58:56 <sridhar_ram> there is lot of respect for Tacker in the NFV community for *realizing* the vision of MANO !
17:59:43 <sridhar_ram> and a quick note on big tent, I plan to push the governance patchset sometime this week...
17:59:49 <sridhar_ram> the write is here #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-big-tent-writeup
17:59:55 <sridhar_ram> anything else team ?
18:00:07 <sridhar_ram> lets wrap!
18:00:11 <sridhar_ram> thanks everyone
18:00:17 <sridhar_ram> #endmeeting