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16:04:59 <sridhar_ram> #topic Roll Call
16:05:06 <vishwanathj> o/
16:05:08 <sridhar_ram> who is here?
16:05:17 <neel> o/
16:05:18 <sridhar_ram> .. for tacker meeting :)
16:05:19 <tung_doan> o/
16:05:21 <tbh> o/
16:05:24 <sripriya> o/
16:05:26 <manikanta_tadi> Hi all
16:05:26 <janki> o/
16:05:36 <KanagarajM> o/
16:05:46 <sridhar_ram> Good to see you all !
16:05:47 <xuan_> o/
16:06:04 <sridhar_ram> lets start.. sorry for the delay
16:06:22 <sridhar_ram> #topic Agenda
16:06:25 <sridhar_ram> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker
16:06:34 <bobh> o/
16:06:48 <sridhar_ram> we have lot to discuss..
16:06:53 <sridhar_ram> #topic Annoucements
16:07:33 <sridhar_ram> Thanks everyone for joining the Tacker Midycle Meetup ... i know it was lot of time commitment across two days
16:07:45 <trozet> o/
16:07:50 <sridhar_ram> #info https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-newton-midcycle
16:08:37 <sridhar_ram> #topic Newton Release timeline
16:08:51 <sridhar_ram> #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html
16:09:14 <sridhar_ram> Given we are big-tent project.. we need to adhere to the openstack release teams deadlines..
16:09:41 <sridhar_ram> Our project is marked as "release-with-intermediary"
16:10:02 <manikanta_tadi> So Aug 29 is the deadline for code freeze ?
16:10:03 <sridhar_ram> .. for based on that and the newton schedule above, here is the plan..
16:10:17 <sridhar_ram> manikanta_tadi: will explain in a minute
16:10:32 <manikanta_tadi> sridhar_ram: Ok
16:10:54 <sridhar_ram> #info Final release of tackerclient is on Aug 29th
16:11:17 <sridhar_ram> This means all tackerclient changes - CLIs, API clients - needs to be finished by Aug 26th (Friday)
16:11:36 <sridhar_ram> After this date no CLI change is possible for Newton
16:12:08 <sridhar_ram> for e.g. CLI portion of vnffg, scaling, audit-event log to wrap up by this date
16:12:30 <sridhar_ram> #info Intermediary release of tacker & tacker-horizon on Aug 29th
16:12:57 <sridhar_ram> this is a check point newton release for tacker (non-client) portions
16:13:27 <sripriya> sridhar_ram: does this include tacker-horizon freeze?
16:13:39 <sridhar_ram> If your feature this wrapped up by Aug 26th it will get released as part of it..
16:14:02 <sridhar_ram> sripriya: no.. tacker & tacker-horizon always gets released together
16:14:17 <sridhar_ram> #info Final release of tacker & tacker-horizon on Sep 23rd
16:14:40 <sripriya> sridhar_ram:  ok
16:15:35 <sridhar_ram> We also need at least 1 - 2 weeks to take care of integration issues..
16:16:58 <sridhar_ram> that puts us to Sep 12th as the code-freeze date to make it to newton
16:17:36 <sridhar_ram> manikanta_tadi: so, in short we have time till Aug 26th for CLI and Sept 12 for server & horizon changes
16:17:45 <sridhar_ram> Any questions ?
16:18:01 <manikanta_tadi> sridhar_ram: Thanks for clear insight
16:18:54 <sridhar_ram> We have a quick challenging time last time during Mitaka release, as we had teething integration and Critical bugs in the last week
16:19:14 <sridhar_ram> I'd like to avoid getting us in that situation this time around..
16:19:38 <sridhar_ram> So, we might need to punt some features that are not "release ready" to the follow on Ocata release
16:20:37 <sridhar_ram> Looking for the team's support in making a feature rich but at the same time well rounded release - less bugs, better docs, etc
16:20:48 <sridhar_ram> will stop my soap box now :)
16:21:17 <sridhar_ram> please reach out if you think ur feature won't be able to make it in these deadlines
16:21:23 <sridhar_ram> moving on..
16:21:38 <sripriya> sridhar_ram: is it possible to provide any critical fixes of these features after the release?
16:22:28 <sridhar_ram> sripriya: yes, you can .. a critical bug fix can go into stable/newton branch at anytime.. but there are some restrictions
16:22:52 <sridhar_ram> like .. (a) no requirements.txt changes are allowed - you can pull in new dependencies
16:22:59 <sripriya> sridhar_ram: hoping we don’t have to :-)
16:23:11 <sridhar_ram> (b) no db migration scripts are allowed
16:23:59 <sridhar_ram> sripriya: yep, stable team at times asks teams to revert a patchset if it violates this policy
16:24:18 <sridhar_ram> it is lot easier to take care before the deadlines listed earlier..
16:24:40 <sridhar_ram> #topic Newton Priorities
16:25:22 <sridhar_ram> continuing on the subject, I'd like to request the team to prioritize patchsets, fixes and most importantly the reviews that are planned for Newton first
16:25:50 <sridhar_ram> here is the etherpad with requests to help for newton release ..
16:26:12 <sridhar_ram> #link newton
16:26:16 * sridhar_ram oops
16:26:30 <sridhar_ram> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-newton-release-priority
16:27:04 <sridhar_ram> can you please take a look at this etherpad and signup for NEED OWNERS and NEED REVIEWERS..
16:28:22 <sridhar_ram> anything not listed in this etherpad is deemed low priority for Newton and hence need to move to Ocata
16:28:46 <tung_doan> sridhar_ram: Does it have any chance for alarm monitoring? I have intention to finish my code in this week or the early next week.
16:28:46 <sridhar_ram> so, if you think your patchset is something that is *must have* in newton please add it to this etherpad
16:29:32 <sridhar_ram> tung_doan: can you remind me, does alarm-monitoring has any CLI / tackerclient changes ?
16:29:57 <tung_doan> sridhar_ram: no
16:30:20 <manikanta_tadi> sridhar_ram : Should we also add VNFC  BP to the priority list
16:30:21 <sridhar_ram> tung_doan: okay..
16:30:23 <tung_doan> sridhar_ram: I think I can finish before deadline
16:30:57 <sridhar_ram> tung_doan: the main issue i see is getting reviewer's time .. other than that i don't see why it can't make it to newton
16:31:06 <sridhar_ram> tung_doan: please add it to the blueprint list in the etherpad
16:31:43 <tung_doan> sridhar_ram: Ok. thanks sridhar
16:32:01 <sridhar_ram> manikanta_tadi: VNFC BP, IMO, is a best effort.. it came in late in the cycle, so if there is bandwidth *after* we are done w/ the existing ones we shd take VNFC
16:32:21 <sridhar_ram> manikanta_tadi: btw, does it have any dependency on tosca-parser ?
16:32:36 <sridhar_ram> manikanta_tadi: in that case, the answer will be no
16:32:41 <janki> sridhar_ram: how about feature of passing vnfd file as API arg
16:32:44 <tbh> sridhar_ram, we don't have any dependency on tosca-parser
16:32:48 <manikanta_tadi> sridhar_ram: reviewers time is also a bottle neck to make the progess on spec
16:33:06 <sridhar_ram> tbh: good..
16:33:45 <sridhar_ram> manikanta_tadi: agree, i acknowledge that is going to the bottleneck for next 4 - 6 weeks... no easy solution there
16:34:20 <sridhar_ram> janki: i think that is an RFE level work and it might be okay to support it...
16:34:36 <dkushwaha> sridhar_ram, Regarding nsd, are we not planning it for newton?
16:34:49 <sridhar_ram> janki: again, if there is CLI impact it need to be done soon
16:34:54 <janki> sridhar_ram: ok. I am almost done. Will submit in 1-2 days
16:35:09 <janki> sridhar_ram: understood
16:35:10 <sridhar_ram> dkushwaha: I don't think NSD can fit newton.. it is clearly post-newton
16:35:40 <manikanta_tadi> sridhar_ram : true, I request the entire team in this forum to give their feedback  on VNFC BP  at their convenient time
16:35:53 <sridhar_ram> dkushwaha: however i think it will be first feature we will take up post newton release..
16:37:11 <sridhar_ram> dkushwaha: NSD is a significant feature with lots of new API and CLI... and i don't think we can wrap up spec & CLI by Aug 26th
16:38:01 <sridhar_ram> thanks for those who are already signing up in the etherpad .. please continue to do that!
16:38:18 <sridhar_ram> any question on newton priorities ?
16:38:53 <manikanta_tadi> sridhar_ram,: So other low hanging bugs will be taken for review after sep 23
16:40:54 <sridhar_ram> manikanta_tadi: we will use our good judgement.. if there are low hanging bugs that helps towards fit-&-finish of newton release .. nothing stoping us to review & merge bef Sep 23
16:41:45 <sridhar_ram> manikanta_tadi: for e.g. we have a bug where if bad input is given in horizon, there is an ugly looking exception thrown back..
16:42:11 <sridhar_ram> manikanta_tadi: it is a -ve scenario, yet.. but looks ugly as it is easy for users to get into that
16:42:33 <sridhar_ram> so, please help w/ your +1s ..
16:42:46 <sridhar_ram> solicit folks to review and give their +1s..
16:42:53 <manikanta_tadi> sridhar_ram : Understood!  Thanks..
16:43:00 <sridhar_ram> many +1s helps to get +2s :)
16:43:21 <sridhar_ram> we have beaten this to death..
16:43:23 <sridhar_ram> moving on
16:43:49 <sridhar_ram> #topic Blueprint only development process
16:44:07 <sridhar_ram> I'd like to propose a slight modification to our dev process...
16:44:09 <sridhar_ram> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352663/
16:44:32 <sridhar_ram> This is something I was planning to bring up in the mid-cycle but didn't had time
16:44:59 <sridhar_ram> There are already couple of blueprints in our queue that doesn't have a need to write an elaborate spec..
16:45:24 <sridhar_ram> For e.g. tacker mistral workflows..
16:45:27 <sridhar_ram> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker/+spec/tacker-workflows
16:45:52 <sridhar_ram> Please review the process change and leave your comments..
16:46:16 <sridhar_ram> tacker blueprints are looked up across openstack group and beyond .. like OPNFV, etc..
16:46:41 <KanagarajM> sridhar_ram, +1 :)
16:46:44 <sridhar_ram> we should use that more to publicize all the nice work that is happening in this group
16:46:59 <sridhar_ram> KanagarajM: thanks
16:47:32 <sridhar_ram> My intention is to make the communities members life as easy as possible.. no process for process-sake :)
16:48:03 <dkushwaha> sridhar_ram, +1
16:48:13 <sridhar_ram> dkushwaha: thanks!
16:48:27 <sridhar_ram> #topic Sample mistral workflow - BP approval
16:48:43 <sridhar_ram> related to the previous topic..
16:48:59 <sridhar_ram> I'd like to request team's opinion on this BP..
16:49:01 <sridhar_ram> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker/+spec/tacker-workflows
16:49:33 <sridhar_ram> if anyone think this BP shouldn't be approved .. please reach out in the ML
16:49:58 <sridhar_ram> #topic NSD
16:50:06 <sridhar_ram> dkushwaha: take it away
16:50:56 <dkushwaha> all please provide your opinion on spec
16:51:02 <sridhar_ram> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304667/
16:51:32 <sridhar_ram> the big decision is with or without mistral !!
16:52:07 <sridhar_ram> dkushwaha: I'm glad you are already coming up to speed quickly on mistral
16:52:51 <dkushwaha> sridhar_ram, I can try to finish the spec by august 26, please suggest the approach
16:53:03 <sridhar_ram> I know we have only few mins left.. perhaps we shd put that specific question in the agenda and have the team come prepared with their thoughts
16:53:51 <sridhar_ram> dkushwaha: again, are you looking to see if NSD can make it to newton release ?
16:54:00 <dkushwaha> sridhar_ram, yes
16:54:31 <sridhar_ram> dkushwaha: I frankly doubt it is possible .. but we can take that up in the #tacker channel after this meeting
16:55:10 <sridhar_ram> dkushwaha: anything else ?
16:55:30 <dkushwaha> sridhar_ram, not for now
16:55:36 <sridhar_ram> dkushwaha: okay..
16:55:43 <sridhar_ram> #topic Open Discussion
16:56:00 <sridhar_ram> for once we have 5mins.. :)
16:56:13 <sridhar_ram> any general thoughts ?
16:56:34 <sridhar_ram> lots of good discussion in the midcycle .. we shd groom them into blueprints for Ocata..
16:57:00 <dkushwaha> sridhar_ram, are we considering the meeting timing change ?
16:57:07 <sridhar_ram> particularly any takers for Murano plugin for Tacker ?
16:57:17 <manikanta_tadi> sridhar_ram : yeah , midcycle meetup helped the team to understand roadmap
16:57:38 <sridhar_ram> dkushwaha: I didn't hear any consensus ..
16:58:28 <sridhar_ram> let's not change until  the newton release deadline is over..
16:58:44 <sridhar_ram> anyone violently disagree with ^^^ ?
16:59:23 <sridhar_ram> we could move this meeting 2 hrs earlier .. 1400 UTC.. that was the something we discussed
17:00:04 <sridhar_ram> i can put a doodle pool to decide a new time..
17:00:11 <sridhar_ram> we are also missing gongysh
17:00:15 <sridhar_ram> times up folks
17:00:21 <sridhar_ram> thanks for joining
17:00:25 <sridhar_ram> #endmeeting