01:00:01 #startmeeting tc 01:00:02 Meeting started Wed Jul 4 01:00:01 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 01:00:05 The meeting name has been set to 'tc' 01:00:08 #topic Office Hour 01:00:13 tc-members and community at large: now is the when we say things 01:00:19 or more often we don't 01:00:25 your choice, i don't judge 01:00:58 coincidentally I am here 01:01:02 The time window doesn't seem ideal for regular discussion 01:01:12 after an unscheduled trip to the doctor 01:01:19 zaneb: hope everything is okay 01:01:19 eek 01:01:30 pro tip: if you drop a chef's knife, don't try to catch it 01:01:38 owie 01:01:43 committing that one to memory 01:01:57 (not me, my wife) 01:02:47 hope all's well 01:03:08 yeah, all good. just a few stitches 01:09:22 looks like cdent is getting his wish for that discussion thread to blow up 01:10:32 I've spent all day working on an epic reply and now there are like 4 new messages that I'm sure will all warrant similar discussion :) 01:12:27 i made and then deleted two starts at a straw man for "abolishing the project walls" 01:19:38 I'd be interested to hear from Nova/Cinder/Neutron folks what they think about the nodelet idea 01:19:51 I'm definitely stealing that name from ttx 01:20:51 obviously they're gonna hate it, but I want to know what are the things that'd make it difficult specifically 01:25:41 heh 02:01:53 fungi: abolishing project walls. like just one big ol' code repo for everything? we all just check it out and go to town wherever we need improvements made? 02:02:18 notmyname: sounds great, right? ;) 02:03:05 notmyname: that's why I've been trying to steer it more in the direction of 'abolish walls between projects *on the compute node*' 02:03:09 kept heading toward reductio ad absurdum 02:04:00 I think the idea is more to stop people from installing OpenStack piecemeal (and thus denying critical mass to a bunch of important bits) 02:04:02 what are the walls that need abolishing? code repos? gerrit reviewers? irc channels? 02:04:19 ah. so back to the co-installability debate 02:04:24 "abolishing project walls" was a specific phrase in kfox1111's recommendations 02:04:40 it initially came without much context 02:05:28 I don't actually think this is the way forward in general - there are actually some benefits to separate projects as far as the control plane is concerned - but I do get kfox1111's point 02:06:35 yeah, i had assumed originally that he meant socially (get rid of separate teams, no more ptls, one flat megagroup of core reviewers across all the code, et cetera) 02:09:21 so that's our hour done (and some change). thanks all! 02:09:28 #endmeeting