14:00:01 #startmeeting tc 14:00:02 Meeting started Thu Oct 1 14:00:01 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mnaser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:04 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:00:06 The meeting name has been set to 'tc' 14:00:07 #topic roll call 14:00:10 o/ 14:00:24 o/ 14:01:22 hmm 14:01:45 o/ 14:01:51 o/ 14:03:05 so we need at least 6, we have 4 (i assume belmoreira joining means they've just come around) :) 14:03:25 o/ 14:04:18 hrm 14:04:27 i guess we can resort to manually pinging people 14:05:03 as we don't have quorum 14:05:25 jay is going to be late as they mentioned 14:05:45 mugsie / evrardjp / cloudnull / njohnston / ricolin / knikolla -- are you around? 14:06:00 o/ 14:06:03 o/ 14:06:07 omw 14:06:11 nothign like the old fashioned ping 14:06:19 :) 14:06:24 once it dawned on me to add the startmeeting pattern for meetings i attend regularly as irc client highlights, that has made a world of difference for me 14:06:35 ok, so in that case that puts us a 6 with 1 incoming 14:06:44 thats ok with me to get moving 14:06:50 ooo, cool idea 14:07:07 #topic Follow up on past action items 14:07:24 #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2020/tc.2020-09-03-14.01.html 14:07:37 tc-members to follow up and review "Resolution to define distributed leadership for projects" 14:07:44 o/ 14:07:49 this is marked as complete, we'e already merged everything 14:08:06 and seems like some projects are adopting it 14:08:42 next up, mnaser schedule session with sig-arch and k8s steering committee 14:09:17 i was discussing with diablo_rojo and they mentioned thy would be able to schedule this 14:09:29 as they seem to be somewhat involved on the k8s side of things 14:10:22 Yep. As soon as we know when we want to do it. I am happy to facilitate. 14:10:40 fungi: yeah, I remember Colleen giving me that tip, and I said "Why didn't I think of it before!" It's just a good pattern :) 14:10:43 ok perhaps we should hold this off until we have a new roster 14:11:10 i'll keep it as an action item to carry over next meeting 14:11:13 o/ 14:11:17 +1 14:11:35 #action diablo_rojo schedule session with sig-arch and k8s steering committee 14:11:50 just in time, njohnston. we had "njohnston to find someone to work with on getting goals groomed/proposed for W cycle" 14:12:22 Agreed that we should wait till the new TC is seated. 14:12:59 mugsie contacted me and we worked tgether to get started on the process; he has been moving forward with some ML threads 14:13:12 this one #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-September/017459.html 14:13:15 yeah i noticed that 14:13:18 Since I am rotating off the TC he has graciously agreed to carry the torch moving forward 14:13:33 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-September/017459.html 14:13:56 ok cool, so i think we're getting a little tight on time given this cycle is ending and W is starting quite soon 14:14:12 I was hoping for more ideas form the thread 14:14:39 there is one item in the thread that may be good to dicuss on the thread - one goal for the cycle 14:15:06 i think as alway, we don't have a limit / minimum in the number of goals 14:15:24 so if one makes sense i will +1 it 14:15:26 +1, two goals are somehow difficult to finish in a cycle. 14:15:33 +1 14:16:03 we have a topic to discuss this in a bit 14:16:15 so i'll leave the action item here and we can discuss it later as a topic 14:16:29 +1 14:16:29 #action mugsie Drive Wallaby cycle community goals 14:16:37 (not very actionable but i think enough to keep it on our radar) 14:16:50 next up is: "belmoreira/knikolla figure out logistics of a document with gaps within osc" 14:17:36 no update on my part from this. got caught up in other work. however i will reach out to belmoreira after the meeting to sync up. 14:17:46 I started a google sheet to document the feature gap 14:17:57 btw this is compute gap etherpad #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/compute-api-microversion-gap-in-osc 14:17:58 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C5f0BQcfD8czzhKJmWQ-nnDq_6_D9W2xsWsEh-zHIAo/edit?usp=sharing 14:18:32 compute microversion gap 14:18:51 nice gmann. Thanks 14:18:52 fwiw, i am working with a local college for interns who might be able to do some of the osc work (or that's the goal at least) 14:19:05 i will update on my end when i have more info but this will likely be jan-apr period 14:19:34 nice! 14:19:48 cool 14:20:02 +1 14:20:04 it is 3rd year students from a tech program who need to complete an internship as part of their program 14:20:23 (that was part of my education oddly enough so that works nicely :]) 14:20:23 mnaser nice 14:20:34 ok and finally 14:20:41 also, I'm also supervising a fellow and he already started contributing with few patches 14:20:42 diablo_rojo help schedule forum session for OSC gaps 14:20:52 belmoreira: yay, nice. 14:21:13 mnaser: nice! 14:21:36 belmoreira: nice too! 14:21:48 o/ 14:21:50 are you syncing with mnaser on scope and method? 14:22:26 it would be bad that two interns are working on the same things in parallel without communication :) 14:22:31 evrardjp: that is still very early right now, we just started talking a few days ago with the college, but i will keep updating 14:22:33 (I doubt it, but just in case) 14:22:41 but the idea is to get them fully engrained in our OSS process 14:22:45 ..like you need help scheduling something? 14:23:06 mnaser: very nice, it's very important, thank you tremendously for doing htat! 14:23:29 diablo_rojo: i think at the time we wanted to know if we could reserve time in the forum for a session on that 14:23:39 i remember my bad joke that i knew someone who was an insider :p 14:24:45 Ohh okay. 14:25:02 I think we could still sneak something in, but you would probably need to talk to Jimmy to get that done. 14:25:12 mnaser, what school are they from? 14:25:19 diablo_rojo: john abbott college 14:25:28 I wanna add them to the list of other universities we do similar with. 14:25:30 THanks! 14:25:37 they are technically interning for "vexxhost" but i am putting them on upstream only 14:25:54 diablo_rojo: Did anything ever come about with the intern program Kim from City Cloud was trying to do? 14:25:59 (i.e. i have to do a whole bunch of stuff around evaluating them and all so there's some overhead here but yeah) 14:26:29 Forum sessions schedule is up already - https://www.openstack.org/summit/2020/summit-schedule/global-search?t=forum 14:26:34 i'll ping jimmy today and see if they can put something in 14:26:58 +1 14:27:15 does anyone want to write up a very very small short summary to add it on the list? 14:28:14 ok, jimmy says we can do it :) i just need a title, abstract and moderator 14:28:15 * jungleboyj is catching up. 14:28:59 smcginnis, last I recall he had horizon things for them to work on. 14:29:07 Great 14:29:21 I have a todo to revive that email thread lol 14:30:27 belmoreira / knikolla: are you able to help with the above for the forum? ^ 14:31:52 can *anyone* help with this to get a forum session going? 14:32:16 yes, sure 14:32:34 awesome, thank you belmoreira -- lets try to get that asap, i'll setup an email thread with you + jimmy so we can get it on the schedule 14:32:53 #action belmoreira draft up title, abstract and moderator for OSC gaps session 14:33:20 ok next up 14:34:29 * mnaser lost in their tabs 14:34:35 #topic OpenStack User-facing APIs and CLIs (belmoreira) 14:34:44 belmoreira: all yours 14:35:40 we more or less discussed this... 14:36:30 I started the doc that I previously shared, and having some hope that the forum session can keep things moving 14:36:55 ok that's good, i think the forum session will be help 14:37:31 it will be good to carry that discussion in PTG too? 14:37:53 i would assume that maybe would be discussed in the sdk sessions 14:38:19 yeah that is more relevant 14:38:25 yes 14:38:33 I think discussion at the PTG would be good. 14:38:43 i guess we'll have more info over there about it more indepth 14:39:04 some teams have been merging things that stop osc usage 14:40:01 * evrardjp facepalms 14:40:10 so we should probably add to our ptg session a discussion around a tc policy with that 14:40:24 yeah 14:40:28 +1 14:40:34 I thought there kinda was one already 14:41:11 we can push that over to that topic 14:41:16 but as we are getting short on time 14:41:19 #topic W cycle goal selection start 14:41:27 (https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/principles.html) 14:41:40 so - there is a single goal that hasn't had major pushback 14:41:44 Privsep 14:42:06 which, personally I think is a lot more work than people think (to do properly) 14:42:13 +1 on privsep this is there since last cycle. 14:42:28 and my vote is to go with only one goal in W. 14:42:35 if we do privsep I would ask to have it on its own 14:42:38 needs people converting rules and, more importantly, tightening them up 14:42:55 I think privsep community goal needs to be very clear 14:42:58 +1 on privsep 14:43:02 fungi: yeah - not just copy/pasting from rootwrap, or havikng a massive open ruleset 14:43:06 (to make sure things _are done properly_) 14:43:09 some of the existing converted privsep rules have holes big enough to drive a truck through 14:43:20 mugsie: exactly 14:43:38 personally, i have 0 experience with privsep 14:43:55 +1 on privsep 14:44:03 I think it's good to make this the only goal, and it would be best if the champion has deep knowledge in how we should do this, so that's gonna be a tough role 14:44:17 for the people that have done migrations, do you have a good idea how to write it up / do pre work to help teams? 14:44:45 ralonsoh volunteer on that in last cycle so we also need to re-check with him 14:44:50 i remember we had a few volunteers last time 14:44:52 I am going to ping ralonsoh to see if he can still doit 14:45:20 #action mugsie reach out to ralonsoh wrt helping with privsep 14:45:25 thanks mugsie 14:45:26 it might be hard without someone who is deeply involved in it 14:45:38 mnaser: yeah 14:45:45 unless there is any other suggestions, I am going to ping ralonsoh, and if they are on board, upodate the ML thread 14:45:49 thanks mugsie for driving it. 14:46:07 mugsie, hi 14:46:09 deals 14:46:11 :) 14:46:29 healthcheck is on my personal wishlist, but its not ready yet :( 14:46:38 ralonsoh: hey :) 14:46:50 even just pointers to some example changes which implemented privsep for a project might be helpful for others as a starting point 14:47:07 yeah. we need more detail check for healthcheck 14:47:47 ok, looks like we have a good direction, we're a bit short on time so i will try and push to move on, but i think we have some good direction 14:47:50 there are several examples in the storyboard 14:47:51 #topic Completion of retirement cleanup (gmann) 14:47:52 https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2007686 14:48:01 ^ i think we can kill this right? it's all done at this point 14:48:14 yeah all done on this 14:48:17 awesome 14:48:23 #topic Audit and clean-up tags (gmann) 14:48:28 #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/749363/ 14:48:34 that one has been merged 14:48:43 any plans for any other tags or can we mark this as complete for now 14:48:53 yeah, I will post it on ML also to notify 14:49:05 ++ 14:49:09 I am going to start assert:supports-api-interoperability as next 14:49:31 neat 14:49:44 #action gmann to start cleaning-up assert:supports-api-interoperability tag 14:49:53 this might need more pre-work and discussion. goal is to have more projects to take this tag 14:50:06 (sometimes i really wish irc had "is typing", sorry for cutting off ralonsoh) 14:50:24 mnaser: only sometimes, though 14:50:42 np 14:50:49 ok, last ten minutes 14:50:54 #topic PTG Planning 14:51:02 #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-wallaby-ptg 14:51:08 i added the tc policy on openstack client in there 14:51:12 i think that is becoming more and more relevant 14:52:30 yeah 14:53:13 so please fill that out if possible 14:53:20 #topic open discussion 14:53:44 this is probably the last meeting as tc members for some individuals today, so i just wanted to thank them today while we're here :) 14:54:08 ++ thank you 14:54:16 mnaser: ++ 14:54:27 ++ thank you 14:54:32 +1, thanks njohnston evrardjp for serving in TC and wonderful work. 14:54:36 thanks evrardjp, njohnston, ricolin_ :) 14:54:40 yeah, thank you 14:55:11 my pleasure, I should probably say _our_ pleasure though :) 14:57:02 we have a few candidates running for tc which include new names, should they be elected, i plan on hosting some sorts of an online meeting where we can on-board. it was a bit on me of not doing that properly then 14:57:25 i think having (at least) a vocal connection to discuss and walk through things should help getting on-boarded, everyone is welcome of course 14:57:57 online meeting is nice idea. 14:58:15 i will try to document the 'on-boarding package' which i'll go through as much as i can too 14:58:30 and hopefully for those who joined in the last election who feel like they need a bit more info are free to refer/join too 14:59:06 +1 it's a good idea 14:59:32 well 14:59:40 "see you guys at the summit and ptg" ;) 14:59:53 take care everyone, have a good rest of your morning/evening/afternoon 14:59:58 #endmeeting