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15:03:43 <mnaser> #topic roll call
15:03:45 <mnaser> o/
15:03:46 <ricolin> o/
15:03:51 <belmoreira> o/
15:03:58 <gmann> o/
15:04:00 <jungleboyj> o/
15:04:04 <dansmith> o/
15:04:05 <diablo_rojo__> o/
15:04:58 <mnaser> #topic Follow up on past action items
15:05:11 <mnaser> #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2021/tc.2021-02-25-15.00.html
15:05:19 <mnaser> both action items was just to drop some agenda topics which are gone
15:05:30 <mnaser> #topic Audit SIG list and chairs (diablo_rojo)
15:07:02 <ricolin> I think diablo_rojo__ already send patch to refresh public cloud SIG
15:07:11 <diablo_rojo__> I pushed a few patches based on some emails I've gotten so we are getting close.
15:07:42 <diablo_rojo> Still have one or two more on the list I reached out to the chairs directly that I am waiting on responses from
15:08:34 <mnaser> cool, thanks for working on this diablo_rojo :)
15:08:57 <ricolin> Also worth mention that Feilong Wang volunteer to take K8s SIG chair as well if current chair no longer plan to
15:09:44 <diablo_rojo> Already pushed that patch ricolin :)
15:09:51 <ricolin> diablo_rojo, nice:)
15:09:56 <diablo_rojo> None of the previous chairs are involved anymore :)
15:10:21 <mnaser> \o/
15:10:31 <mnaser> any other comments/updates on this?
15:10:35 <jungleboyj> :-)
15:11:39 <diablo_rojo> nope
15:11:41 <ricolin> diablo_rojo, thanks for co-chair K8s SIG
15:12:04 <diablo_rojo> :) whats one more hat?
15:12:43 <ricolin> diablo_rojo, I will help with or without any hat:)
15:13:47 <ricolin> diablo_rojo, but yeah, count me in:)
15:14:07 <mnaser> #topic Gate performance and heavy job configs (dansmith)
15:14:18 <dansmith> this has been a bad week for sampling anything like normal,
15:14:22 <diablo_rojo> noted!
15:14:23 <dansmith> so hard to really say
15:14:33 <dansmith> cinder fails are still at the top of my list in terms of impact,
15:14:35 <mnaser> dansmith: a lot of external failures or?
15:14:48 <dansmith> but jungleboyj did as promised and drug my name through the mud on the cinder call :P
15:15:08 <jungleboyj> :-)  Not mud.  I put weight behind my concern.
15:15:11 <dansmith> mnaser: I dunno what you mean by external fails
15:15:13 <jungleboyj> It was just name dropping.
15:15:33 <dansmith> jungleboyj: dropping my name has the opposite effect as most people :D
15:15:43 <fungi> though in good news, our inap quota is finally back, after months of hiatus for their cloud upgrade work
15:16:08 <dansmith> fungi: ah cool.. we're definitely chewing a lot of reviews, but there's plenty to do
15:16:12 <mnaser> dansmith: i mean, something like pypi failing or stuff like that
15:16:12 <fungi> overall we're spending less time with node request backlogs during the day
15:16:30 <jungleboyj> It worked as I talked to rosmaita today and it sounds like he is going to try to get some resources moved to look at it.
15:16:32 <dansmith> mnaser: oh no, like actual cinder fails.. refusing to delete volumes, getting into wedged states, etc
15:17:15 <dansmith> mnaser: by "a bad week" I meant that load is very high ahead of the milestone, so "gut feeling" doesn't really work compared to normal
15:17:34 <jungleboyj> mnaser:  We have two jobs that fail a lot but the problem is that the failures are all over the place.  Hard to find a smoking gun.
15:17:42 <fungi> yeah, this is usually our heaviest gerrit activity period in the cycle
15:18:05 <dansmith> jungleboyj: yeah I see what seems like a subset of failures, but spread _all_ over the place
15:18:13 <dansmith> anyone that runs volume tempest jobs
15:18:26 <jungleboyj> Yep.
15:18:40 <dansmith> but I have been super busy and haven't been able to collect more organized data really
15:18:45 <jungleboyj> I think we have least gotten some more visibility to the problem.
15:18:50 <dansmith> my typical comment is "recheck cinder dance" :)
15:18:56 <dansmith> yep, and that's good
15:18:58 <dansmith> thanks for doing that
15:19:16 <dansmith> as long as rosmaita and I can still be friends, I'm happy :)
15:20:30 <dansmith> mnaser: anyway, I think that's all we can really say about this week
15:20:53 <jungleboyj> dansmith:  Yeah, that is what we have been doing too.  :-(
15:20:56 <mnaser> ok, so i guess we'l have to look into this and hopefully cinder can help improve things
15:21:08 <jungleboyj> rosmaita knew it needed attention so this helped bump the priority.
15:21:14 <jungleboyj> I will keep following up with it.
15:21:31 <mnaser> i guess we can move on to the next otpic
15:21:32 <dansmith> when things calm down post-release I may be able to help more with actual digging in of issues, if someone from cinder can help
15:21:33 <mnaser> #topic Technical Elections & Election Officials (diablo_rojo)
15:22:09 <jungleboyj> dansmith:  I think we can make that happen.
15:25:30 <diablo_rojo> So we got all the necessary setup merged and nominations are now open through next week
15:25:59 <diablo_rojo> we will have a shortened campaigning period and then the regular week long election period.
15:26:28 <diablo_rojo> But it would be really great, for the next election, to get some more hands.
15:26:49 <diablo_rojo> At the very least someone else to help make sure we are on track and not behind schedule like this round
15:27:01 <gmann> yeah, to avoid that in future I am adding the election schedule tasks for TC chair #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/777771
15:27:15 <diablo_rojo> Yes that is a really awesome idea gmann!
15:27:21 <diablo_rojo> I was just about to mention that too.
15:27:26 <diablo_rojo> I think that will help
15:28:06 <gmann> at least we can have a check on 'any new help as election official for this election'
15:28:14 <openstackgerrit> Merged openstack/election master: Add Lucian Petrut candidacy for Winstackers  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/778610
15:28:16 <jungleboyj> gmann: ++  Good idea.
15:28:41 <belmoreira> +1
15:28:45 <fungi> also heed the important note i sent to the ml about gerrit's api behavior changes and what it means for making sure your e-mail address is properly associated between gerrit and your foundation membership
15:29:06 <diablo_rojo> I can do another call for volunteers to the ML but if there were any TC members that weren't up for re-election or ones that werent planning on running could help ( in the future)
15:29:20 <diablo_rojo> Also what fungi said
15:29:30 <fungi> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-March/020810.html IMPORTANT Note About March 2021 Elections
15:29:40 <diablo_rojo> That's all I had really.
15:29:43 <diablo_rojo> Any questions?
15:29:45 <mnaser> personally, i plan on running, but what about the others?
15:29:59 <mnaser> we should do some outreach
15:30:12 <fungi> i do not plan on running. looks like we need election officials
15:30:30 * fungi can't convince the current officials to approve his resignation patch
15:30:59 <jungleboyj> :-)
15:31:03 <mnaser> sorry, i plan on running as a tc member :)
15:31:13 <ricolin> a reminder knikolla, belmoreira mugsie mnaser and I will need to join this run if plan to keep in TC:)
15:31:41 <ricolin> I plan to join TC election this time too
15:31:41 <jungleboyj> I don't plan on running for anything so if there is something I can help with, let me know.
15:32:03 <mnaser> jungleboyj: you've got another 6 months to hang around ;)
15:32:16 <jungleboyj> Yep.
15:32:18 <diablo_rojo> jungleboyj, we can add you as an election official and I can walk through the scripts etc with you.
15:32:27 <knikolla> I'm not planning on running for another term
15:32:27 <fungi> jungleboyj: teh election officials coordinate in #openstack-election if you're interested in helping
15:32:54 <jungleboyj> fungi:  Good to know.  I can join that.
15:33:21 <jungleboyj> Sure.  I can learn how to help out since I know there has been a need there for a while.
15:33:40 <jungleboyj> If you guys don't mind dealing with possibly dumb questions.  :-)
15:33:55 <fungi> jungleboyj: you just have to be able to put up with my dumb answers
15:33:55 <diablo_rojo> jungleboyj, maybe we can coordinate early next week? I was going to take today off and tomorrow off.
15:34:15 <jungleboyj> fungi:  He he he.
15:34:19 <fungi> i can also probably talk through some preliminary stuff in there later when my meetings calm down
15:34:21 <jungleboyj> diablo_rojo:  Ok.  Sounds good.
15:34:35 <fungi> thanks!
15:35:00 <jungleboyj> fungi:  Cool.
15:36:39 <mnaser> cool well
15:36:45 <mnaser> #topic Open Reviews
15:36:54 <mnaser> we talked about https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/770616 last time
15:37:13 <dansmith> isn't this sufficiently toasted?
15:37:29 <jungleboyj> ++
15:37:37 <mnaser> i think we discussed that the language needed revision
15:37:40 <dansmith> oh wait,
15:37:42 <mnaser> and belmoreira proposed to puhs up the revision
15:37:45 <dansmith> belmoreira: put upa patch
15:37:52 <belmoreira> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/
15:38:06 <mnaser> oh, crap, right
15:38:13 <mnaser> which si https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/777619
15:38:14 <belmoreira> https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/777619
15:38:14 <dansmith> *that* is the one I liked :)
15:38:29 <dansmith> yeah, I didn't realize it was a new patch
15:38:38 * mnaser is melting down gerrit with his +1
15:38:46 <gmann> yeah, +1.
15:39:06 <mnaser> ill abandon the first one
15:40:24 <jungleboyj> :-)  Poor Gerrit.
15:41:12 <mnaser> ok cool
15:41:49 <dansmith> question
15:41:59 <dansmith> how many people do we have to get to agree on not doing something before we can do it?
15:42:28 <mnaser> i've had a long few days but i'm not sure i parse your question
15:42:39 <dansmith> hehe, let's move on
15:42:52 <jungleboyj> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OopS1l1M/image.png
15:43:07 <mnaser> oh uh
15:43:17 <mnaser> i guess i can update about the k8s toc/tc thing  that diablo_rojo helped setup
15:43:40 <mnaser> it was really interesting to hear what they were dealing with, we recommended our DPL model to them as they're having issues where the chair of a sig becomes a catch all for everythign
15:43:44 * jungleboyj is sorry I missed that.
15:43:49 <mnaser> and they're tryign to work out and figure out how they can deal/sort out that problem
15:44:48 <ricolin> jungleboyj, don't worry, just buy all of us some beer and we will it let go:)
15:45:02 <gmann> but do not they have pretty much distributed responsibility by having approver/reviewer roles ?
15:45:11 <ricolin> s/it let go/let it go/ :p
15:45:21 <jungleboyj> ricolin:  Ha ha ha.  Will do if we are ever in person for something again.
15:45:51 <mnaser> gmann: i mean they have approver/reviewer but i think they're having troubles with too many things ending up on the chair
15:46:29 <fungi> unrelated to code review, presumably
15:46:33 <gmann> i see
15:46:46 <fungi> organizational/leadership responsibilities
15:46:58 <gmann> I think many approver in many SIG help in release, CI/CD etc also
15:47:16 <gmann> but that might not be true for all SIG
15:48:01 <mnaser> yeah, apparently the release is a bit more organized or something
15:48:11 <mnaser> i tried to keep up but i wasn't always familiar with all of it
15:49:41 <mnaser> anyways, that's mostly it for me
15:49:49 <mnaser> if no one has anything else we can close out :)
15:50:14 <jungleboyj> Nothing more from me.
15:52:16 <mnaser> cool, well in that case, thanks everyone
15:52:17 <mnaser> #endmeeting