15:00:20 <gmann> #startmeeting tc
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15:00:28 <gmann> #topic Roll call
15:00:30 <gmann> o/
15:00:31 <yoctozepto> o/
15:00:32 <dansmith> o/
15:00:39 <belmoreira> o/
15:01:08 <gmann> Absence: Kendall Nelson (diablo_rojo)
15:01:16 <jungleboyj> o/
15:01:28 <dpawlik> o/
15:02:47 <gmann> let's start
15:02:51 <gmann> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee
15:02:53 <gmann> ^^ today agenda
15:03:06 <gmann> #topic Follow up on past action items
15:03:13 <gmann> we had one action item
15:03:21 <gmann> mnaser to check with doc SIG chair and close it and move SIG repo under TC and add tc-members as core
15:03:35 <gmann> I have added tc-members in the core list of those repo
15:03:52 <yoctozepto> ++
15:04:16 <gmann> and other part we will discuss next in separate topic as few more question on training repo part
15:04:29 <gmann> #topic Gate health check (dansmith/yoctozepto)
15:04:40 <dansmith> no complaints at the moment
15:04:44 <yoctozepto> same here
15:05:17 <jungleboyj> Seems to be good.
15:05:59 <fungi> we've had some recent zuul regressions related to moving its internal state into zookeeper as we work toward the highly available scheduler for v5, but have mostly been able to hide the pain from users
15:06:21 <fungi> but there have been a few restarts and some "stuck" builds here and there
15:08:08 <gmann> ok
15:08:46 <gmann> there is one in stable/train for d-g PyYAML-6.0
15:09:01 <gmann> which is fixed by frickler and now approved too
15:09:20 <fungi> yeah, pyyaml 6 drops support for yaml.load() if you don't specify a loader to use, it previously just warned noisily
15:09:42 <fungi> also there's been continued pain from suds-jurko not working with setuptools>=58
15:09:57 <gmann> yeah, even few more lib
15:10:09 <gmann> we discussed this in this week qa meeting
15:10:35 <fungi> right, there's been like half a dozen affected, suds-jurko was just the latest one to crop up as being a problem
15:10:35 <gmann> #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/requirements/+/813302
15:11:03 <fungi> though it's also been widely discussed that we should be dropping suds-jurko in favor of maintained alternatives
15:11:26 <gmann> only possible step is to replace with other alternate lib or remove the deps itself
15:11:55 <gmann> anyjson too
15:12:30 <gmann> we discussed to trigger or start the discussion from requirement side, by dropping it and notify the failing projects
15:12:48 <gmann> frickler: was testing how many project/test fails with that.
15:13:39 <gmann> let's wait for that and discuss on ML first
15:14:02 <gmann> anything else on Gate checks?
15:14:31 <gmann> #topic Project Health checks framework
15:14:52 <gmann> I think we will continue discussing it in PTG on best way to present / use those stats
15:15:23 <gmann> moving on...
15:15:38 <gmann> #topic Stable team process change
15:15:42 <gmann> #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/810721
15:16:00 <gmann> it is updated now, please review the latest PS
15:16:29 <jungleboyj> ++ Hadn't seen any comments as of yesterday.
15:17:14 <gmann> it looks good to me
15:17:24 <jungleboyj> \o/
15:18:19 <gmann> anything else to discuss on this except review and comment there if any ?
15:19:31 <gmann> ok, let's move then
15:19:36 <gmann> #topic Technical Writing (doc) SIG need a chair and more maintainers
15:20:06 <gmann> as i mentioned in starting, I added tc-members in the repos under this SIG
15:20:38 <gmann> and frickler brought the non-maintained state of openstack/training-labs which is a repo under this SIG
15:20:59 <gmann> in last meeting, we discussed that we can move all the repo of this SIG to TC
15:21:20 <gmann> but by seeing those i details, I feel like trainings repo make sense to move under FC SIG instead of TC
15:21:35 <yoctozepto> agreed
15:21:43 <gmann> openstack/training-labs  openstack/training-guides openstack/upstream-institute-virtual-environment
15:21:51 <gmann> ^^ especially these three
15:22:10 <gmann> or to other place where it suite more like under foundation or so
15:22:10 <fungi> does the fc sig handle certified openstack operator testing?
15:22:26 <fungi> that's what training-labs is "training" people for
15:22:28 <gmann> fungi: no.
15:22:49 <gmann> FC make use of openstack/upstream-institute-virtual-environment and openstack/training-guides at least
15:23:05 <gmann> for the upstream training site and virtual image for hands-on in training
15:23:37 <fungi> yeah, the repos related to upstream institute would potentially make sense under the fc sig
15:23:48 <fungi> but presumably not the training-labs repo
15:23:51 <gmann> i quickly discussed about it with ildikov too and she is not aware of openstack/training-labs usage
15:24:09 <gmann> yeah, openstack/training-labs seems not in use seems
15:24:47 <gmann> let's discuss this in next week in PTG when kendal and ildikov will be there who handle the training parts at least upstream one
15:24:49 <fungi> well, it's not being maintained/reviewed. people do still seem to use it to train for the certification, as evidenced by someone pushing updates for it a few weeks ago
15:24:55 <gmann> I will add it in PTG etherpad
15:25:50 <fungi> but i agree, the coa is primarily driven by the foundation, so it would make sense for them to decide what should be done with the training-labs repo and find new volunteers to take it over, or retire it
15:25:51 <gmann> 'people do still seem to use it to train for the certification,'  you mean corporate trainings? or from foundation side
15:26:19 <gmann> yeah
15:26:29 <fungi> gmann: that's just it, it's hard to know who's using it and for what, since they don't have to tell us
15:27:23 <gmann> fungi: i see.
15:27:36 <gmann> i have added this in PTG etherpad to discuss next week
15:28:18 <gmann> anything else on this?
15:28:56 <gmann> #topic Place to maintain the external hosted ELK, E-R, O-H services
15:29:09 <gmann> I tried to summarize it in ML #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-October/025251.html
15:29:34 <gmann> with same section heading
15:30:18 <spotz_> Hey all here late and no scroll back
15:30:24 <gmann> I think we are all set here and wendar will be working on setting up the AWS accounts or so.
15:30:30 <gmann> spotz_: hi
15:30:49 <jungleboyj> gmann: ++
15:31:44 <gmann> fungi: I think you have read the summary.  as discussed in last to last week meeting also, we will start this work in TacT SIG and dpawlik wendar and Ross Tomlinson will be helping on the migration/maintenance  part
15:32:39 <dansmith> I'm super happy we seem to have a path here
15:32:45 <gmann> and now onwards discussion can be in openstack-infra channel unless anything from TC side is required
15:32:45 <dansmith> because I really thought this was going to end in tears
15:32:50 <gmann> dansmith: yeah
15:33:03 <jungleboyj> dansmith:  Indeed.
15:33:23 <gmann> this is super help for us.
15:33:33 <fungi> yeah, the tact sig is mainly just an umbrella the new effort can stand under, it's not really going to involve the current tact sig members in the building and running of it
15:33:51 <fungi> nor the opendev sysadmins
15:34:06 <gmann> fungi: agree.
15:34:32 <fungi> eigenstate is sponsoring a contract developer to do the ingestion pieces, and dpawlik is leading the way on the log scraping part
15:34:46 <gmann> along with wendar , huge thanks to dpawlik also for volunteering to help here.
15:34:52 <gmann> +1
15:35:38 <jungleboyj> ++
15:35:57 <gmann> I will remove this topic from our next meeting agenda
15:36:04 <gmann> anything else on this topic?
15:36:05 <yoctozepto> ++
15:36:25 <gmann> #topic Open Reviews
15:36:37 <gmann> #link https://review.opendev.org/q/projects:openstack/governance+is:open
15:36:50 <dpawlik> fungi: allright. Some part for the log scraping script has been done. It is already configured for RDO so hope it will fit of all of the expectations
15:38:23 <gmann> two reviews need more vote #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/810721
15:38:24 <gmann> #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/813112
15:38:40 <gmann> dpawlik: +1, thanks again
15:39:03 <gmann> please review the stable team part which I am hoping we can merge before/during PTG week
15:39:12 <gmann> one last thing from me
15:39:26 <gmann> we will cancel the next week TC meeting as we are anyways meeting in PTG
15:39:36 <yoctozepto> sensible
15:39:37 <yoctozepto> :D
15:40:26 <gmann> I will arrange the PTG topic tomorrow and schedule(what topic to discuss what time ) part we can discuss on our first 30 min on Thursday
15:41:04 <gmann> and do not forget to join TC + community leaders sessions on Monday
15:41:26 <gmann> Monday, Oct 18 15 UTC  - 17 UTC  (TC+ Community Leaders Interaction)
15:41:37 <gmann> that's all from me today, anything else to disucss?
15:41:38 <fungi> i'm saddened i'll have to miss half of it because of overlap with the security sig session
15:41:47 <fungi> but there's only so many hours in the week
15:42:04 <gmann> fungi: oh, no worry, please join in 2nd half of it.
15:42:05 * yoctozepto knows the drill
15:42:16 <gmann> it is 2 hrs sessions
15:42:50 <yoctozepto> I have an overlap with kolla but I'm trying to get agenda to suit me ;d
15:43:20 <gmann> yoctozepto: ah, same time seems.
15:43:40 <yoctozepto> yeah, it's kolla's traditional timeslot
15:43:52 <yoctozepto> along with the two others
15:43:57 <yoctozepto> thankfully not too many overlaps
15:44:17 <gmann> yeah, hard to avoid it 100%
15:44:29 <gmann> ok, if nothing else, let's end the today meeting. ~15 min early
15:44:34 <yoctozepto> thanks gmann
15:44:35 <gmann> thanks all for joining
15:44:39 <gmann> #endmeeting