15:00:17 #startmeeting tc 15:00:17 Meeting started Thu Dec 9 15:00:17 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:17 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00:17 The meeting name has been set to 'tc' 15:00:17 gmann: indeed 15:00:25 #topic Roll call 15:00:27 o/ 15:00:27 o/ 15:00:47 o/ 15:01:40 o/ 15:02:03 two members would not be joining as mentioned in absence section 15:02:05 Dan Smith on PTO until 2nd Jan 15:02:05 Belmiro Moreira - OpenInfra Live 15:03:25 o/ 15:03:29 o/ 15:03:59 we have 5 TC now so quorum, let's start 15:04:10 #topic Follow up on past action items 15:04:28 ricolin_ to schedule adhoc meeting for pain point discussions 15:04:39 that is done, we had first meeting yesterday 15:04:41 thanks ricolin 15:04:50 NP 15:05:09 #topic Gate health check 15:05:19 what's the news on gate 15:05:46 I have not seen much frequent failure last week 15:07:05 I think gate is not loaded much due to dec month may be 15:07:16 possib;e 15:07:19 o/ 15:07:48 we do still max out our test node capacity regularly, but not for the majority of the day 15:08:20 backlogs are typically not that long, and we tend to catch up quickly at the moment 15:08:45 ok 15:08:58 very well 15:09:08 That is at least an improvement. 15:09:19 some teams, particularly neutron, have been taking a closer look at the percentage of overall utilization their changes represent 15:09:39 and working on reducing waste 15:09:47 yeah, they had discussed it in this week neutron CI meeting 15:09:55 also on e-r query 15:10:09 fungi, devstack-platform-arm64 on check-arm seems to stuck for 25 hr is there anything I can do to unlock it? 15:10:36 ricolin: i'll take a look, but we should probably discuss that in #openstack-infra or #opendev 15:11:00 fungi, we can discuss it after meeting 15:11:44 also, in QA we are going to discuss about collaboration on openstack-health dashboard with TripleO team. they are working on same dashboard so it will be good to reuse the existing one 15:11:59 kopecmartin will add the call details on ML 15:12:15 anything else on Gate health ? 15:13:02 #topic Pain points discussion meeting updates 15:13:16 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-December/026245.html 15:13:18 #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/pain-point-elimination 15:13:35 we had meeting yesterday and ricolin already sent the summary on ML 15:14:09 we did check on many projects yesterday mentioned in ML 15:14:42 i saw zigo posted a few additions to the ml earlier today as well 15:14:53 yes for Glance 15:15:08 and swift 15:15:14 yeah, we still have not covered all from etherpad but we can add them in the list 15:15:41 from yesterday discussion, we have two action item for TC which we can talk about here 15:16:08 I have added those at L47 in #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-yoga-tracker 15:16:38 1. Check possibility for OSC as community-wide goals, find champion 15:16:42 #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-yoga-tracker#L47 15:16:48 thanks 15:17:29 Artem volunteered in past to drive this as goal but we need to check again if Artem is ok to do now as per bandwidth or so 15:17:43 at least to have goal proposed 15:18:17 and after that we will talk about selecting it based on various factor like work needed, proposed targets dates etc 15:19:02 ricolin: would you like to check with Artem if not then we can ask other TC members or community member to drive it ? 15:19:10 sure 15:19:18 thanks 15:19:41 #action ricolin to check with Artem about championing the OSC community-wide goal 15:19:59 next AI for TC is 2. Technical guidlines for logging levels with more example or scenarios 15:20:53 This will be a good outcome from TC on technical side to provide more detailed guidelines on Log levels. I am going to add it in our Technical guidelines section 15:21:11 Please add your name as volunteer if you would like to help on this 15:21:37 The origin discuss is here if anyone interested 15:21:38 #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/pain-point-elimination#L265 15:22:07 +1 15:22:16 moved it to L13 in yoga tracer 15:22:18 tracker 15:22:40 #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-yoga-tracker#L13 15:23:05 and next meeting to continue the main point discussion will be schedule after Mid Jan sometime when most of community/TC members will join after vacations 15:23:57 I would like more TC members to join that and help where ever we can. This is one of good help to community if we as TC can solve/help to solve some of the pain points 15:24:02 While we're talking about guidelines I -W the directory as there was conflicting reviews on what to use as the placeholder 15:24:55 spotz: I was ok to refactor the current one and we do not need placeholder but if you do not want to touch those existing one then we can abandon and wait for first new guidelines to be proposed 15:25:42 #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-team-guide/+/815921 15:26:52 Ok maybe I was just confused:) I made a pllaceholder.rst that duplicated on used in anoother place vs the unified-linits.rst I originally had but then I read Dan as wanting the unified-linits.rst name vs placeholder 15:27:43 sorry for all the typos:( 15:29:00 spotz: yeah, let's leave the placeholder for unified limit. if you want to setup the directory then we can refactor the existing guidelines into different files like I mentioned in gerrit 15:29:42 other option is- we can just wait for the first guidelines to be proposed with directory structure. 15:31:19 spotz: I am ok with any option ^^ you prefer 15:31:36 and will review the patch accordingly 15:31:36 Ok I'lll giove it another looook 15:31:42 thanks 15:31:54 moving next if nothing else on pain points discussion ? 15:32:22 #Topic Yoga tracker 15:32:24 #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-yoga-tracker 15:32:34 let's iterate over it and see the progress 15:33:05 one thing, I am happy that we are moving and doing more technical work in Yoga which is helping community 15:34:05 I will writeup the summary on ML what all things we are doing so that it can be easily read instead of going through the each items in tracker etherpad 15:34:19 ++ 15:34:28 1. Technical Guidelines: - we already talked about it 15:34:54 2. GATE health: this too, this is in every weekly meeting agenda 15:35:02 3. Yoga testing runtime updates 15:35:12 #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/820195 15:35:23 I have pushed the updates we agreed in TC meeting 15:35:40 tc-members ^^ need more reviews 15:35:49 I'm unsure if I can still vote on that since I modified it 15:36:18 yoctozepto: I think you can but I will wait more vote from other TC when i will count 15:36:33 ok, let's do it like this then :-) 15:36:37 thanks 15:36:43 4. TAG framework removal proposal 15:36:51 yoctozepto: any updates on removal proposal ? 15:37:29 no, sorry, it just needs to be done; my question is whether we need a resolution commited? 15:38:32 yoctozepto: I prefer to spend time on work than writing resolution :) but yes we can write one as this is something we are removing the very old framework 15:38:47 just a summary with all links to ML, PTG etc 15:38:57 gmann: that's what I thought :-) 15:39:17 not sure if this year but I will certainly propose it :-) 15:39:27 yoctozepto: no issue, thanks 15:39:30 5. Improvement in project governance 15:39:34 diablo_rojo: ^^ 15:41:25 I have not seen progress but let's check later 15:41:26 6. Release name process change 15:41:42 belmiro is not here but I have not seen proposal yet. let's check later 15:41:55 7. Community-wide goals: 15:42:23 decoupling is done, and we have two goals ready (selected/active). sent on ML too 15:42:30 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-December/026218.html 15:42:42 one item left in this is adding the checklist. 15:43:00 ricolin: please add link in etherpad whenever you are ready. 15:43:37 8. User Survey Feedback Responses 15:43:39 jungleboyj: ^^ 15:44:04 Have not started on that yet. Will get that in my queue. 15:44:12 thanks. 15:44:16 9. Technical Writing (doc) SIG 15:44:30 this is mine, and done. I have marked it done 15:44:41 that is all for Yoga tracker. 15:44:56 anything else to discuss on this? 15:45:08 Nope 15:45:23 #topic Updates on community-wide goal 15:45:33 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-December/026218.html 15:46:04 I sent the two active goals to ML so that projects can plan and start working on those 15:46:49 RBAC goal is all ready with new direction, thanks to everyone who helped in discussion, review and especially lbragstad 15:47:29 Proposed community goal for FIPS compatibility and compliance 15:47:32 #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/816587 15:47:52 ade_lee: is still waiting on more reviews as next step discussed in last meeting 15:48:00 yup 15:48:31 I have not had chance to review it, I will try next week sometime but other TC members please check it. 15:48:38 ade_lee: anything else you would like to add? 15:48:58 work is continuing on this goal, but yeah, just waiting for reviews at this point 15:49:23 I was waiting to vote based on the -1 ccomment, is this something that should be addressed before we go much further? Even if just a response 15:49:29 the timelines may need to be adjusted depending on when the goal is adopted 15:49:44 spotz, I thought there was a response 15:49:54 responses from me and fungi 15:49:57 yeah, once proposal is ready then timeline can be revisit. 15:50:05 ade_lee: see it noow:) 15:50:33 reading and willl vote after 15:50:37 thnaks 15:51:04 moving next 15:51:06 #topic Adjutant need PTLs and maintainers 15:51:32 no updates on this. still waiting on Braden getting permission 15:51:46 #topic Open Reviews 15:51:59 #link https://review.opendev.org/q/projects:openstack/governance+is:open 15:52:27 one is this which we talked already #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/820195 15:52:34 ricolin: diablo_rojo ^^ if you can vote in this 15:52:52 * ricolin checking 15:53:15 +1ed 15:53:44 and on skyline proposal, Team have responded now with the plan which seems good to me, I will check those and review after meeting. other tc-members also can add your vote/feedback #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/814037 15:53:47 ricolin: thanks 15:54:40 approved this #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/819856 15:55:03 last review which we did not talk is #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/810037 15:55:15 ricolin has updated it, I will review after meeting. 15:55:46 last check: how many members are around for next meeting on 16th Dec. I will be there 15:56:02 I will be here next week. 15:56:04 based on that we can decide on to cancel it or not 15:56:10 I'll be around next week but not the 2 weeks after 15:56:16 Same here. 15:56:32 16 is still fine so far 15:57:25 ricolin: diablo_rojo ? 15:58:10 I will be around all these weeks:) 15:58:15 ok. 15:58:22 we have at least 5 members so let's do it on 16th and for 23rd or so we will discussion in 16th Dec meeting 15:58:40 that is all from me today. anything else to discuss ? 15:59:10 ++ 15:59:35 if nothing else, let's close it. thanks all for joining 15:59:40 #endmeeting