15:00:10 <gmann> #startmeeting tc
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15:00:17 <gmann> #topic Roll call
15:00:23 <gmann> o/
15:00:45 <yoctozepto> o/
15:00:48 <dansmith> o/
15:00:49 <belmoreira> o/
15:01:42 <ade_lee_> o/
15:01:44 <gmann> lourot: as fungi  mentioned we have not discussed it yet. feel free to add it in TC meeting agenda (we can discuss next time or today also if you are ok)
15:02:28 <gmann> today mentioned absence: Amy Marrich (spotz), Rico Lin (ricolin)
15:02:35 <diablo_rojo> o/
15:02:51 <jungleboyj> o/
15:03:16 <gmann> let's start
15:03:18 <gmann> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee#Agenda_Suggestions
15:03:20 <gmann> today agenda ^^
15:03:34 <gmann> #topic Follow up on past action items
15:03:53 <gmann> gmann to remove the SIG i18 topic from meeting agenda
15:03:58 <gmann> it is done
15:04:10 <gmann> #topic Gate health check
15:04:15 <gmann> any news on gate
15:04:22 <gmann> one is centos stream 8 issue.
15:04:50 <gmann> with devstack workaround by yatin, we have tempest/nova centos stream job 8 working fine
15:04:55 <gmann> and they are voting again
15:04:55 <dansmith> I haven't had anything through the gate in a week, but only because of me, not the gate :)
15:05:36 <fungi> there was also a centos stream 8 package/index issue for a good chunk of today, but should hopefully have abated now
15:06:05 <fungi> details on the ml
15:06:46 <gmann> k
15:07:10 <strigazi> o/
15:07:13 <gmann> on stable, I am trying to cap on stable/train and testing it in many project #link https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%22train-tempest-cap%22+(status:open%20OR%20status:merged)
15:07:29 <gmann> currently master tempest is used which can stop working on stavle/train anytime
15:07:33 <gmann> stable/train
15:07:56 <gmann> fix seems working but need more result before we merge it
15:08:13 <gmann> anything else on this topic?
15:09:20 <gmann> let's move next
15:09:23 <gmann> #topic Z Release Cycle Name
15:10:09 <gmann> we are little late on that due to holidays and all sorry about that
15:10:17 <gmann> now we have started the process #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2022-January/026620.html
15:10:24 <jungleboyj> \o/
15:10:31 <gmann> schedule is also merged #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/824201
15:10:36 <gmann> to summary:
15:10:53 <gmann> nomination will be closed on 24th jan, election from 25th to 1st Feb
15:11:30 <gmann> and as discussed, we will continue with the existing process of 'electorate  as TC only'
15:12:04 <gmann> but as discussed in PTG, we will work on the new process change for release naming soon.
15:12:33 <gmann> belmoreira will be putting it up for review, but no hurry.
15:13:06 <gmann> here are the proposed name (not yet final) #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Naming/Z_Proposals
15:13:07 <diablo_rojo> Makes sense that the changeover would happen with the alphabet turnover
15:13:27 <jungleboyj> ++
15:13:42 <belmoreira> +1
15:13:55 <gmann> yeah
15:14:00 <gmann> But please review the names and add in 'Proposed Names that do not meet the criteria' section if they are not eligible names as per criteira
15:14:08 <gmann> #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/release-naming.html#release-name-criteria
15:15:19 <gmann> before we start the election, may be on friday I will ask community also to check the same and let us know if any offending name due to culture/history etc
15:15:30 <gmann> this friday I mean
15:16:27 <diablo_rojo> Good call.
15:16:42 <jungleboyj> I can't believe all the proposals!
15:16:43 <gmann> also one things, Z release schedule is also prepared by elodilles and under review, feel free to add your feedback #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/824489
15:17:21 <gmann> jungleboyj: indeed, I was thinking may be we will get hardly 5-10 names due to Z letter or our time constraints
15:17:53 <gmann> but having lot of names show clearly community is much interested in release names they will be working one
15:18:25 <gmann> that is all on this from me, anything else to discuss or any other process/step/work I missed here?
15:19:27 <gmann> if nothing, let's move next
15:19:31 <gmann> #topic Z cycle Technical Elections
15:19:40 <gmann> #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/825017/4
15:20:02 <gmann> I have pushed the election schedule, please review and check
15:20:12 <gmann> and we need two volunteer from TC to run this election
15:20:54 <gmann> I am available but I will be helping as coordinating way wherever need help but will not be able to lead
15:21:15 <gmann> proposed my name as election official #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/825009
15:21:18 <diablo_rojo> I am happy to help advise/support, but I will be super busy with PTG things at that point so I can't volunteer to run it.
15:21:46 <gmann> diablo_rojo: ack. advice/support will be great help.
15:22:40 <gmann> jungleboyj: I think you were interested last time? are you available to help?
15:22:44 <jungleboyj> I think it was spotz and I that went through some education before the last one?
15:23:24 <jungleboyj> Though I don't remember what I learned.  Think it is all pretty well documented, right?
15:23:31 <gmann> yeah, spotz is up for TC terms this time so she might not be able to be official
15:23:41 <jungleboyj> Oh, that is right.
15:23:55 <jungleboyj> Ok.  I can volunteer to help out.
15:23:56 <gmann> jungleboyj: I think so, mine also first time but we can take help of diablo_rojo if any question
15:24:15 <jungleboyj> gmann:  Ok.  I will join you.  :-)
15:24:18 <diablo_rojo> Yes definitely
15:24:21 <gmann> cool, thanks jungleboyj
15:24:28 <diablo_rojo> I will be able to help answer questions + give direction
15:24:37 <jungleboyj> diablo_rojo:  Sounds good.  :-)
15:24:38 <belmoreira> i did it last time, but still considering if I will re run
15:24:40 <gmann> and I think ianychoi[m] is also there and helena too to help
15:25:02 <belmoreira> jungleboyj I can help with my experience from the last time
15:25:30 <gmann> belmoreira: thanks. that will be great. may be once schedule is merged, we can start the meeting for that.
15:25:36 <jungleboyj> Sweet.  So, sounds like we have plenty of help to get gmann  and I up to speed.
15:25:55 <gmann> yeah
15:26:03 <gmann> please review the schedule #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/825017/4
15:26:12 <gmann> current election official as well as TC
15:26:18 <gmann> anything else on this?
15:26:51 <fungi> feel free to reach out to me with questions too
15:27:02 <gmann> sure, thanks
15:27:17 <gmann> #topic Adjutant need PTLs and maintainers
15:27:19 <gmann> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-October/025555.html
15:27:24 <gmann> no updates on this
15:27:57 <gmann> I will remove it from agenda and we will see during release or next election if there is no PTL or so..
15:28:13 <gmann> #topic Open Reviews
15:28:19 <diablo_rojo> At that point we remove the project?
15:28:34 <gmann> dansmith: no, continue in current state
15:28:38 <gmann> diablo_rojo: ^^
15:28:56 <gmann> elodilles: mentioned there is ok for release as release team does in past too.
15:29:33 <gmann> so let's have Yoga release (unless any issues occur) and during next cycle PTL election or assignment we will discuss it based on situation
15:29:47 <gmann> like we do for any projects lacking leadership or maintainer
15:30:08 <gmann> so nothing blocking in Yoga for now
15:31:07 <gmann> diablo_rojo yeah after Yoga, we will see the situation.  (I did not notice you mentioned 'At that time')
15:31:52 <gmann> #link https://review.opendev.org/q/projects:openstack/governance+is:open
15:32:08 <gmann> we have 4 open reviewsd
15:32:13 <gmann> #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/822900
15:32:20 <gmann> let's discuss tag one first
15:32:38 <gmann> I did review on WIP one as yoctozepto proposed and left some comment
15:32:51 <diablo_rojo> gmann, okay makes sense
15:33:05 <yoctozepto> gmann: thanks, I also replied
15:33:11 <gmann> yoctozepto: I agree on the tag used in website. I think we can update the link there to point to doc instead of tag?
15:33:32 <gmann> like stable policy field/question is also pointed to stable policy doc not to tag
15:33:48 <yoctozepto> gmann: yeah, I guess more-or-less moving these sensible ones might make sense
15:33:56 <yoctozepto> and dropping others
15:34:02 <yoctozepto> now it's surely dropping too much
15:34:41 <gmann> yoctozepto: you mean to keep those (VMT ) tag and so does tag framework and remove rest of others?
15:35:23 <yoctozepto> gmann: well, we can move them to docs but we can also keep them around in this change and iterate
15:35:34 <yoctozepto> this way we can remove some parts without affecting releases
15:35:39 <yoctozepto> and then remove more
15:35:40 <dansmith> surely that would only be a stopgap?
15:35:40 <gmann> yoctozepto: I see. sure that is good plan
15:35:45 <dansmith> okay yeah
15:35:53 <dansmith> "and then remove more" was the important part :)
15:36:00 <gmann> and once we update the release script and website then we can remove completly
15:36:08 <jungleboyj> ++
15:36:08 <yoctozepto> gmann: exactly
15:36:58 <gmann> yoctozepto: can you please update the patch accordingly and we can review.
15:37:08 <yoctozepto> gmann: sure thing
15:37:22 <gmann> yoctozepto: thanks
15:37:48 <gmann> two reviews from ricolin who is not here in meeting but I have added my comment for project health tool
15:38:12 <gmann> one open review and need review is FIPS goal #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/816587
15:38:26 <gmann> ade_lee_: anything you want to mention about it or just waiting for us to review/vote
15:38:45 <ade_lee_> I put in a new version that I think addresses the issues raised before
15:38:55 <ade_lee_> but yeah, just waiting for review/vote
15:39:35 <gmann> ade_lee_: thanks for that.
15:39:46 <gmann> tc-members ^^ please review and provide your feedback.
15:40:23 <gmann> or if any question, ade_lee_ is here and we have ~20 min left in meeting
15:41:36 <gmann> if nothing, let's review the proposal
15:41:47 <gmann> that is all from me today, anything else to discuss ?
15:42:02 <jungleboyj> Nothing from me.
15:42:30 <yoctozepto> nor from me
15:42:39 <gmann> ok, let's close the meeting,
15:42:47 <jungleboyj> Thank you!
15:42:48 <gmann> thanks everyone for joining and stay safe
15:42:51 <gmann> #endmeeting