15:00:15 #startmeeting tc 15:00:15 Meeting started Thu Feb 3 15:00:15 2022 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yoctozepto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:16 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00:16 The meeting name has been set to 'tc' 15:00:22 #topic Roll call 15:00:23 \o/ 15:00:24 o/ 15:00:37 o/ sorta 15:00:59 o/ 15:01:05 there is an apologies entry for spotz and ricolin but spotz is here nonetheless, welcome! 15:01:42 counting 4 members 15:01:48 will there be quorum today 15:02:07 belmoreira seemingly not around 15:02:19 Thought we were supposed to do a video meeting today. 15:02:35 mnaser is on the openinfra live 15:02:42 * jungleboyj not that I am complaining 15:02:43 seemingly along with belmoreira 15:02:49 yoctozepto: belmoreiro is hosting with me yes :p 15:02:52 (sorry) 15:03:09 jungleboyj: yeah, we (with gmann) changed to make it more accessible 15:03:17 Awesome. 15:03:33 mnaser: yeah, no problem, that time conflict is something to resolve in the future 15:04:40 so, quorum or no? 15:04:58 seems no quorum 15:05:09 It's handy when we're on the show as a group but sucks when it's 1 here and 1 there 15:05:20 spotz: indeed 15:05:31 We can quarrel. 15:05:32 we can continue with no decision powers I guess 15:05:37 lol 15:06:10 diablo_rojo_phone: around? 15:06:27 _phone suggests not 15:06:47 ok, let's continue for the sake of having discussions today 15:07:35 #topic Follow up on past action items 15:07:40 but there were none 15:07:50 #topic Gate health check 15:07:59 ** Fixing Zuul config error in OpenStack 15:07:59 *** https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/zuul-config-error-openstack 15:08:00 the qos thing si resolved? 15:08:14 that was biting several of us for a few days 15:08:27 dansmith: no idea, I know nova-next is practically broken 15:08:34 (read about that on the ml) 15:08:40 yeah but being worked on, that only affects nova though IIRC 15:08:46 and devstack gate 15:08:47 Hosting open infra live so I'm a bit spotty 15:08:48 the qos one was breaking lots of people 15:08:51 Sorry! 15:09:03 diablo_rojo_phone: ack, enjoy it 15:09:12 throughput has been good, except monday (or tuesday?) it was somewhat backed up, 15:09:21 but no complaints from me.. seems pretty decent lately 15:09:33 (seems 3 members captured by openinfra live, one holidays, one sick) 15:09:54 dansmith: ack, thanks 15:10:11 We had some issues with the Stable gates this week but I think those have been worked out as well. 15:10:45 great, thanks for reporting 15:11:14 so 15:11:18 on the zuul config errors 15:11:35 seems some projects working diligently on fixing them 15:11:43 others not so much 15:11:53 I don't even know what the issue is? 15:12:07 dansmith: infra asked us to clear up https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/config-errors 15:12:19 it's ridiculously long 15:12:33 the progress (along with details) is tracked here: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/zuul-config-error-openstack 15:12:49 man that's a list 15:12:55 yup 15:13:19 Yikes. 15:13:32 seems mostly networking? 15:13:35 I think we really need a person from TC to watch over this progress 15:13:54 dansmith: hard to tell for sure 15:13:56 but looks like it 15:14:15 can we make a list of all the repos those jobs are in? 15:14:16 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/818207 15:14:22 they seemed to have eoled these branches 15:14:30 so no idea why this bugs the zuul still 15:14:30 because it's hard to tell, and that would surely be a smaller list 15:14:51 ah, I see the etherpad has a smaller list of projects 15:14:59 yeah, it's been parsed 15:15:47 fungi, clarkb: you around? :-) it seems eoling old neutron/networking branches did not help with zuul errors 15:16:27 I mean, it is hard to tell which are still affected 15:16:33 guessing eoled ones are not 15:16:42 eol'ing branches without eol'ing the branches of other projects using things from them is what creates a lot of those errors 15:17:12 ah, that makes sense 15:17:27 we used to eol across the board in every repo 15:17:57 these days it's on-demand and some projects are asking to have branches eol'd which contain things used by other projects who aren't asking to have the same branches eol'd 15:18:23 messy 15:18:35 so those branches are effectively broken and untestable, but nobody's paying attention to them anyway 15:18:55 in short, better cleanup would help 15:19:13 does this actually hurt anything? other than maybe making that config errors page less useful for actual errors? 15:20:41 pretty much that 15:20:46 ack 15:20:56 and it's an indication of essentially abandoned projects/branches in openstack 15:21:55 well, looks like neutron and ironic are probably the biggest of the ones I know how to contact 15:22:09 well, I guess the TC does not have the bandwidth to go and fix it for the projects; the projects are aware and... that's it I guess? 15:22:34 well, I was just thinking about a little tree-shaking, 15:22:44 and that would be the most helpful for the biggest offenders 15:24:26 oh I guess only two from ironic 15:24:29 neutron/networking has 33 entries 15:24:38 yeah, neutron is the big one 15:24:44 ironic 4 entries 15:25:18 manila 1 15:25:35 I only see two from ironic, what are the others? 15:26:11 nm I see 15:26:20 * gouthamr takes note on the manila job 15:26:30 #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-manilaclient/+/825068 15:26:33 will be merged soon 15:26:54 i think one of the big cases for netron was that a project (driver?) was retired but not removed from job configs 15:27:13 er, neutron. though netron is a humorously appropriate typo 15:27:39 yoctozepto: we should probably do this async to the meeting 15:28:01 yoctozepto: I rang the ironic bell, so hopefully we'll get some action there.. four entries should be not too bad 15:28:05 ok, I finished with the current list 15:28:15 but there seems to be more projects affected 15:28:21 they were was blissfully ignorant as I was until the top of this hour :) 15:28:23 as there are 79 entires in total 15:28:31 dansmith: haha 15:28:43 thanks for letting them know 15:29:17 thanks gouthamr 15:29:37 ok, we made some progress 15:29:43 even without the quorum 15:29:45 :-) 15:29:54 let's switch to the next topic 15:30:17 #topic Progress check on Yoga tracker 15:30:23 ** https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-yoga-tracker 15:31:07 technical guidelines seem to have stalled 15:31:13 is that right, spotz? 15:31:26 that was my deal actually 15:31:32 and yeah, I suck 15:31:43 yoctozepto: Yeah I did the original ask but then we semmed to change what we wanted and it made sense to just put it on hold 15:31:47 Wow, that took a turn. 15:32:22 yeah 15:32:58 point 2 is gate health check that we hvae done 15:33:14 point 3 is what I'm working atm 15:33:35 there is one issue to be aware of - the releases team is relying on one of the tags (stable policy) 15:33:58 it's well documented so I need to restore that tag for the time being 15:34:45 I have nothing else to report, there should be a new rev of the change proposed today 15:34:49 mergable this time 15:35:30 folks for 4,5,6 not present 15:35:49 point 7 is at jungleboyj 15:35:59 I should be able to get to the Survey feedback next week hopefully. 15:36:00 please speak up, Tarzan 15:36:06 thanks jungleboyj 15:36:11 yoctozepto: ha ha. 15:37:01 ok, we have reviewed the progress on the yoga tracker 15:37:17 #topic Z Release Cycle Name 15:37:24 ** Election results: 15:37:24 https://civs1.civs.us/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_693bd8bbe63ca52f 15:37:24 ** Next step, the foundation has started the trademark checks. 15:37:35 Yay! 15:37:50 I *really* hope Zen will pass 15:38:04 as I will deny to work on a Zombie project 15:39:28 I guess nothing more to say on that! 15:39:39 #topic Z cycle Technical Elections 15:39:50 ** Proposed Election schedule, need to merge it if no objection. 15:39:50 *** https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/825017 15:40:08 I'm not an election official 15:40:13 so can't +2 15:40:19 but I guess there are no objections 15:40:35 jungleboyj, spotz: can you comment on that? 15:40:59 this is prime time it gets merged 15:41:48 yoctozepto: I can +w if diablo_rojo_phone doesn't have anything on it 15:42:12 Do we need to wait for the release name? That was the thing I thought was holding it up. 15:42:24 Otherwise, I am fine with it. 15:42:32 Oh good question not sure 15:42:43 I did not understand it like this 15:42:58 fungi: may you help? you know pretty much everything related to these processes 15:43:05 He he. 15:44:55 the q is whether we need a release name before we approve an election schedule? 15:45:07 fungi: yeah 15:45:25 I think we can fix it later 15:45:28 it's all a matter of communications, yes 15:45:29 both there and in comms 15:45:35 ++ 15:45:37 we can say "z cycle" and use a placeholder 15:45:38 thanks fungi 15:45:48 Ok. Then we should probably merge that. 15:45:52 it gets harder if we need to fix it after we start accepting nominations 15:45:55 my thoughts exactly 15:46:12 but this early it's not critical yet 15:46:22 diablo_rojo_phone: no objections against the schedule? 15:48:33 guess she's too busy being the live hostess 15:48:42 no problem, we can do it after the meeting 15:48:52 #topic Open Reviews 15:49:15 https://review.opendev.org/q/projects:openstack/governance+is:open 15:49:33 my WIP will change later today, please feel very welcome to review then 15:49:48 other than that 15:49:55 we have two from ricolin that have stalled 15:50:00 and ricolin not around today 15:50:08 and one test change 15:50:21 from lourot 15:50:54 so nothing to review atm 15:50:55 good job 15:51:09 #topic Open discussion 15:51:20 we have ~9 minutes if you want to discuss something in general 15:51:29 otherwise I will close the meeting 15:52:52 doeeet! 15:53:08 #endmeeting