15:00:05 <gmann> #startmeeting tc 15:00:05 <opendevmeet> Meeting started Thu Jun 16 15:00:05 2022 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:06 <opendevmeet> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00:06 <opendevmeet> The meeting name has been set to 'tc' 15:00:13 <gmann> tc-members: meeting time 15:00:18 <gmann> #topic Roll call 15:00:20 <gmann> o/ 15:01:33 <jungleboyj> o/ 15:03:04 <rosmaita> o/ 15:03:08 <gmann> slaweq informed that he will not attend as holiday in Poland 15:03:27 <knikolla> o/ 15:03:33 <gmann> dansmith also informed that he might not attend as he has medical commitment 15:04:15 <gmann> spotz: diablo_rojo_phone arne_wiebalck are you attending? 15:06:26 <gmann> anyways let's start. we do not have quorum but that is fine and we will not have any formal voting in this meeting. 15:06:32 <gmann> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee#Next_Meeting 15:06:35 <gmann> today agenda ^^ 15:06:47 <gmann> #topic Follow up on past action items 15:06:54 <gmann> slaweq to report bug for fedora job failure 15:07:10 <gmann> I think fedora job worked as dansmith tested that so no need for bug? 15:08:04 <arne_wiebalck> sorry o/ 15:08:23 <gmann> devstack platform job is passing and failing but not sure what is failure #link https://zuul.openstack.org/builds?job_name=devstack-platform-fedora-latest&skip=0 15:08:29 <gmann> arne_wiebalck: hi, np! 15:08:44 <gmann> will check with them if anything needed on this Action item 15:08:54 <gmann> #topic Gate health check 15:09:02 <gmann> what's news on gate? 15:09:18 <gmann> I have not seen any frequent failure in master gate this week 15:09:25 <rosmaita> \o/ 15:10:23 <jungleboyj> woo hoo. 15:10:32 <gmann> (rosmaita) update on cinder-backup memory bloat issue 15:10:38 <gmann> rosmaita: please go ahead on this 15:10:53 <rosmaita> Gorka was looking into this and thinks he may have a fix 15:11:00 <rosmaita> https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/devstack/+/845805 15:11:02 <gmann> #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/devstack/+/845805 15:11:13 <gmann> #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/845806 15:11:21 <rosmaita> he was talking with dansmith in either -cinder or -qa yesterday 15:11:45 <rosmaita> the change affects all devstack services, so he's going to look further at performance 15:12:07 <rosmaita> because it seems to work well for cinder backup and shouldn't hurt anyone else 15:12:13 <rosmaita> but we do need to be sure 15:12:39 <rosmaita> there's also a cinder patch, but it only affects about 30 MB of memory 15:12:55 <rosmaita> the big one is the devstack patch which changes malloc settings 15:12:57 <gmann> nice, I think it should be visible in performance.json file too ? 15:13:12 <gmann> I mean the improvement should be visible in that file 15:13:17 <rosmaita> yes, dansmith told him about that and Gorka's looking into it 15:13:22 <gmann> +1 15:13:38 <rosmaita> that's all 15:14:11 <gmann> thanks rosmaita for updates and thanks to Gorka for fixing this. it will be a great improvement. 15:14:23 <rosmaita> we are hopeful! 15:14:37 <gmann> any other news on gate? including stable branch gate ? 15:15:29 <gmann> #topic New ELK service dashboard: e-r service 15:15:45 <gmann> I think dpawlik is also on holiday as slaweq mentioned 15:15:58 <gmann> so skipping this topic unless anyone else have any updates on this? 15:16:54 <gmann> #topic RBAC feedback in ops meetup 15:17:21 <gmann> we have feedback and these are few etherpads where feedback is there from ops meetup or forum sessions 15:17:29 <gmann> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/BER-2022-OPS-SRBAC 15:17:36 <gmann> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/deprivilization-of-service-accounts 15:17:43 <gmann> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/rbac-operator-feedback 15:18:07 <gmann> I was hoping to have the last etherpad as central one to collect from everywhere but no big deal 15:18:21 <spotz> o/ Sorry I'm late 15:18:32 <gmann> from ops meetup, it seems clear that system scope are not a popular things anyone require at this stage at least 15:18:55 <gmann> this line make it clear #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/BER-2022-OPS-SRBAC#L47 15:19:17 <rosmaita> that is useful info 15:19:30 <rosmaita> lines 37-38 are also interesting 15:20:25 <gmann> yeah 15:21:09 <gmann> I am not surprise that operators do not understand scope things even sometime we as developers also do not :) 15:21:20 <gmann> but anyways this is very useful feedback 15:21:26 <gmann> next plan is 1. I will compose all the feedback in central etherpad 2. schedule policy popup meeting on next Tuesday (21st) 3. decide the next direction based on feedback in meeting 4. update goal document and projects on agreed direction 15:21:32 <fungi> and i still see a lot of references to "admin" in there, which should ideally only be by way of analogy for the new rbac model 15:22:14 <fungi> given the desire to eradicate the string "admin" from default role names 15:22:20 <gmann> fungi: yes, global admin is something most of operator want. that is what few NVF operatror also mentioned 15:22:57 <gmann> I will do the 1st and 2nd today and let's discuss in tuesday RBAC call 15:23:43 <gmann> anything else on RBAC topic? 15:23:50 <fungi> i would say "global admin" is how they were referring to what they want, but it's not what we would name it 15:24:07 <fungi> due to the baggage and confusion around what "admin" means 15:25:13 <gmann> fungi: yeah naming is one part but it seems like "admin (someone whatever name is) able to do everything is their requirement" and that is what we wanted to avoid in new SRBAC 15:25:48 <gmann> by introducing the scope but anyways we should ship what operator need than what developer think it can be useful for them 15:25:59 <gmann> s/them/operator 15:27:08 <gmann> moving next? 15:27:38 <gmann> #topic TC + Board meeting 15:27:47 <gmann> #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1yCiZy_9A6hURXD0BRdr33OlK7Ugch5EgSvFzL-jvDIg/edit#slide=id.g129c4257ac3_0_1456 15:28:15 <gmann> I virtually presented the 'OpenStack Updates' in berlin board meeing 15:28:43 <jungleboyj> gmann: Thank you for doing that! 15:29:50 <gmann> initially, there was a delay in zoom setup but really appreciate foundation, Jonathan, berlin venue guys to make it work. 15:29:56 <gmann> but later it went well 15:30:07 <jungleboyj> Good! 15:30:23 <gmann> I am glad that board liked the presentation and the content. 15:30:31 <rosmaita> nice 15:30:54 <gmann> and happy to know about the status and challenges we are facing in OpenStack. 15:31:09 <jungleboyj> That is good. 15:31:40 <gmann> this kind of communication was missing for last couple of years due to COVID or so and it is nice to have such updates from projects 15:32:34 <gmann> there was discussions on OpenStack Challenges especially on diversity, fewer contributors slides 15:33:12 <gmann> there was no solution discussion about those but at least board ack this and agreed to solve this in some way. which is what our main motive for these updates were 15:34:59 <gmann> and on the same note, I shared the idea of starting an "Open Infra project interaction" group under board to have such regular checks/updates on each Open Infra project, not just OpenStack. Board agree to start it and we have a few volunteers also. I will communicate it on ML sometime next week. 15:35:51 <gmann> that is overall updates from board meeting. 15:36:58 <gmann> anything else on this or any query? 15:37:21 <rosmaita> nope, thanks for doing the presentation 15:37:58 <spotz> Thanks gmann 15:37:59 <gmann> np!, hoping next time we all can attend in-person 15:38:04 <jungleboyj> ++ 15:38:37 <gmann> #topic Open Reviews 15:38:55 <gmann> let's discuss rosmaita item first before I check the open reviews things 15:38:56 <gmann> (rosmaita) quick update on SLURP Release Notes 15:39:02 <gmann> rosmaita: go ahead pleae 15:39:04 <gmann> please 15:39:10 <rosmaita> sure 15:39:36 <rosmaita> i got some good feedback on the patch 15:39:45 <rosmaita> #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-team-guide/+/843457 15:39:57 <rosmaita> I have a -W on it while i work on an update 15:40:09 <rosmaita> though i have been working on other stuff 15:40:20 <rosmaita> I have some ideas that I think could automate a version of the manual procedure outlined in the current patch without requiring any reno changes, but I haven't had time to test them yet 15:40:30 <gmann> great 15:40:37 <rosmaita> and i am kind of back-burnering this because it doesn't need to be settled until M-3 of 2023.1 (though my goal is to have it worked out before M-3 of Zed) 15:40:57 <gmann> yeah, we have time on this 15:41:03 <rosmaita> it's shown up on the past few gmann update emails, so i figured i should say what the status is 15:41:28 <rosmaita> that's all from me 15:41:59 <gmann> thanks rosmaita for updates and working on that. zed m-3 or before 2023.1 start it is fine. 15:42:05 <rosmaita> ok, cool 15:42:24 <gmann> on open review 15:42:40 <gmann> slaweq: updated this patch, please review/add your vote #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/839880 15:43:26 <gmann> and we need one mroe vote in this charter change #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/844882 15:43:54 <gmann> I think jungleboyj arne_wiebalck ^^ you can add your vote 15:43:59 <gmann> other are done already 15:44:08 <jungleboyj> Looking. 15:44:12 <gmann> thanks 15:44:14 <gmann> that is all from me today 15:44:29 <gmann> anything else to discuss from anyone? 15:45:17 <gmann> if nothing else let's close the meeting. 15:45:23 <gmann> Thanks everyone for joining. 15:45:30 <gmann> #endmeeting