15:05:56 #startmeeting tc 15:05:56 Meeting started Thu Nov 3 15:05:56 2022 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:05:56 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:05:56 The meeting name has been set to 'tc' 15:06:09 o/ 15:06:11 everyone, tc-members video call meeting to join @ https://meet.google.com/eai-mwxm-ktm 15:06:14 o/ 15:06:24 rosmaita: you can - jitsy is capable of recording 15:07:33 at least I do see record button in some test channel 15:07:42 #topic Roll call 15:07:50 o/ 15:07:53 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee#Next_Meeting 15:07:55 o/ 15:07:58 ^^ today agenda 15:08:01 o/ 15:08:20 o/ 15:08:24 #topic Follow up on past action items 15:08:45 #topic Gate health check 15:14:41 #topic 2023.1 TC tracker 15:14:44 #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-2023.1-tracker 15:18:51 add osc goal in the tracker 15:18:55 #topic TC questions for the 2023 user survey 15:19:10 #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-2023-user-survey-questions 15:20:03 #topic TC chair election process 15:20:26 #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/862772 15:20:36 #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/862774 15:24:56 go for the dir structure than single file 15:25:16 #topic TC weekly meeting time 15:25:20 #link https://framadate.org/xR6HoeDpdXXfiueb 15:39:34 #startvote wed 16 UTC for TC weekly meeting with one video call in month? Yes, No 15:39:34 Begin voting on: wed 16 UTC for TC weekly meeting with one video call in month? Valid vote options are Yes, No. 15:39:34 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 15:39:40 Yes 15:39:42 #vote Yes 15:39:44 Yes 15:39:50 #vote Yes 15:39:54 #vote Yes 15:39:55 #vote yes 15:39:59 #vote yes 15:40:09 #vote yes 15:40:12 #vote yes 15:40:15 #vote yes 15:40:16 #vote Yes 15:40:46 #endvote 15:40:46 Voted on "wed 16 UTC for TC weekly meeting with one video call in month?" Results are 15:40:46 Yes (9): gmann, slaweq, arne_wiebalck, rosmaita, spotz, dansmith, JayF, knikolla, noonedeadpunk 15:45:16 Hi folks, I see a vote and a start meeting, but I don't see any discussion. This concerns me because the actual discussion of the TC is not publicly available from the meeting log for review as a result. 15:46:02 it is video call and it is public, recorded and will be published in youtuve 15:46:08 youtube 15:46:51 That seems insufficient since the words used are not searchable nor directly associated with the meeting as far as I can see. 15:46:57 As I said in PTG; that's still not as accessible as full IRC logs. I agree with TheJulia but understand that I'm the minority opinion now. I don't think doing video calls is nearly as open as an IRC meeting where 100% of the discussion is logged in an accessible format. 15:47:15 Bottom line, video meetings were supposed to be the exception, not the rule. 15:47:43 it is one meeting in month as video and rest in IRC 15:47:43 Searchable format as well. 15:47:48 we've been doing video meetings once a month for, what, over a year now? I'm a fan. 15:48:02 I also have hearing problems and can't understand spoken word as well, but I got outvoted 15:48:56 I was always -1 on video meetings. 15:49:09 As someone who also has hearing damage, it does not help to be forced into going and finding video meetings that cannot be text searched. 15:49:19 Agreed about the searchability. 15:49:28 +2 TheJulia 15:49:44 https://meetpad.opendev.org/tc-meeting ? 15:49:55 #action gmann to test the meetpad for video call 15:50:30 Bottom line, it is reduced transparancy, so unless there is is notes being taken, voted on, and approved for publishing, it really is not helpful to treat a posted video someplace on youtube as an acceptable option. 15:50:34 It's not as timezone inclusive or where English isn't the first language. 15:50:41 I hear, it's OK that once a month we exclude people who have hearing loss or can't understand english 15:51:09 Also, in my experience it seems to exacerbate people talking over one another. 15:51:12 JayF: Yeah, that is my take as well. 15:51:19 which is frankly, just not cool. 15:51:55 diablo_rojo_phone: which makes it even harder for those of us with hearing damage 15:52:10 Exactly. 15:52:14 * TheJulia grumbles, since it is all the travel for this community which contributed to her hearing damage 15:53:00 spotz++ 15:53:20 For those not in the video; spotz proposed that we do all TC meetings in IRC and supplement with a video office hours once a month. 15:53:36 JayF: I was just going to ask, thanks! 15:53:43 see, that is totally cool to me 15:53:52 Just because the k8s community does video calls (which they just talked about ramping down for a variety of reasons ) doesn't mean it's a solution for us. 15:53:59 +2 I like that plan 15:54:07 and I know is cool with so many others who have expressed similar concerns about a default to video meetings 15:54:26 JayF: ++ 15:54:28 I'm torn on the subject. Seeing and talking to each other is an important activity that builds community and we seldom do in these days of working from home and slack and emails. 15:54:40 I understand all the concerns. 15:54:59 diablo_rojo_phone: I've had some folks in the k8s community I know express similar transparency concerns with their own usage, so it is good to know they are starting to shift 15:56:07 knikolla: i completely agree, but a vote in irc for a discussion taking place on a video call is not transparency unfortunately 15:56:21 knikolla: hence still having something once a month like it is now to still get the bonds in person/visual helps with 15:56:23 It was actively being discussed as something that prevents community members from rising to the steering committee. 16:00:00 TheJulia: I agree. That vote specifically was asked by me to confirm the results of the poll. 16:02:53 #topic Recurring tasks check 16:03:02 I'm taking an action item to write a resolution to change us in line with spotz's suggestion: 4 IRC meetings + an added office hours video call 16:03:08 Bare 'recheck' state 16:03:11 spotz: in case it's not clear, I think we agree what the problem is (no context) and I was just saying, let's not do the same thing again right here and now :) 16:03:44 #action JayF to propose the resolution for the TC weekly meeting on IRC or video call 16:03:46 JayF: Much appreciated, thank you 16:03:56 #topic Open Reviews 16:04:14 #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/862637 16:04:59 knikolla: ++ 16:05:12 #endmeeting