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17:00:29 <gouthamr> Welcome to the weekly meeting of the OpenStack Technical Committee. A reminder that this meeting is held under the OpenInfra Code of Conduct available at https://openinfra.dev/legal/code-of-conduct
17:00:33 <gouthamr> Today's meeting agenda can be found at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee
17:00:36 <gouthamr> #topic Roll Call
17:00:45 <cardoe> o/
17:01:02 <frickler> \o
17:01:10 <noonedeadpunk> o/
17:01:23 <gtema> o/
17:03:41 <gouthamr> courtesy-ping: gmann, spotz[m], mnasiadka, bauzas
17:04:15 <gouthamr> ah crap
17:04:29 <gouthamr> noted absence: g m a n n
17:04:37 <frickler> iirc mnasiadka is down under
17:04:54 <gouthamr> ah, ack
17:05:10 <gouthamr> alright, lets get started
17:05:20 <gouthamr> #topic Last Week's AIs
17:05:45 <gouthamr> ^ this would be a loaded topic, i am yet to unpack all of the TC PTG notes and enumerate AIs
17:06:14 <gouthamr> but, lets look at AIs from the week prior
17:06:23 <gouthamr> 1) Skyline Engagement
17:07:22 <gouthamr> we took an AI to reach out to skyline contributors about reproducibility concerns and encourage PTG participation
17:08:07 <gouthamr> i received an email from the PTL wu_wenxiang that the PTG timings weren't feasible for the team
17:08:19 <gouthamr> they'd prefer a conversation between 1:00 UTC to 10:00 UTC
17:08:20 <cardoe> We didn't get a chance to talk about binary artifacts during the PTG
17:09:04 <cardoe> I tossed on there talking about containers generally as well.
17:10:05 <gouthamr> yes, the other request on the email was that we could share discussion topics/questions before the meeting because of fluency/communication concerns
17:10:22 <noonedeadpunk> well. for EU based ppl 8UTC-10UTC could be doable to sync with them
17:10:25 <fungi> we did talk about the topic some in the security sig sessions
17:10:43 <fungi> (binary artifact challenges i mean)
17:11:11 <noonedeadpunk> but indeed, async might be better to minimize language confusion
17:11:27 <gouthamr> yeah, they'd be more effective with async communication
17:12:02 <gouthamr> so lets defer to email
17:12:17 <frickler> is there a reason to keep it off the ML, then?
17:12:18 <cardoe> UTC 8:00 to 10:00 is 3am to 5am for me.
17:12:43 <gouthamr> i also see that they're using different emails to respond to my original email
17:12:44 <noonedeadpunk> (the reason I said about EU)
17:13:08 <gouthamr> i don't know if there's some firewalling of sorts, on either end: "I guess that the emails sent from my mailbox might be blocked"
17:13:22 <noonedeadpunk> as 8UTC is 10 am for me
17:13:59 <gouthamr> ack, i'll try to keep the conversation on the list, but noting that, if we don't get responses, it might be because of something weird like this
17:14:12 <gouthamr> fungi: i'll poke you later to check on some list subscriptions
17:14:47 <gouthamr> i.e., if you could check/share if individuals on the skyline team are subscribed to openstack-discuss
17:15:04 <frickler> gouthamr: maybe mention that it is also possible to read/respond via the web interface
17:15:45 <gouthamr> ah true, its clunky though, but will suggest it
17:16:02 <fungi> can do
17:16:17 <fungi> i've got some time right after this meeting
17:16:41 <cardoe> So I think without having to engage them at all we can have a discussion about binary artifacts.
17:16:43 <fungi> happy to look up whatever you need
17:16:59 <gouthamr> ack
17:17:02 <gouthamr> thank you fungi
17:17:33 <gouthamr> cardoe: as fungi said, we just mentioned it in the security-sig room.. our notes didn't capture it here, because the discussion wasn't too detailed
17:17:38 <gouthamr> just a status of where we are
17:17:48 <gouthamr> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/apr2025-ptg-os-security-sig (OSSG PTG Etherpad)
17:18:21 <gouthamr> i'll work on this AI further and share some more next week
17:18:27 <cardoe> I saw that more as VMT discussion.
17:18:42 <cardoe> Not on reproducibility which is what the issue with skyline was.
17:18:53 <cardoe> Which is certainly related
17:18:56 <fungi> we touched on the security risks and need for things like sboms with containers and packages
17:19:06 <fungi> not necessarily vmt, just security more generally
17:19:43 <fungi> from a vmt perspective, we just flat refuse to cover container/package-specific vulnerabilities, and focus on vulnerabilities in our source distribution only
17:20:39 <cardoe> Anyway, I think the topic is similar to security-sig but not 100% aligned.
17:20:42 <cardoe> We can move on.
17:20:53 <fungi> though cases where projects are committing third-party dependencies into their repositories crosses the line into source distribution vulnerabilities
17:21:24 <gouthamr> next couple of AIs are related to goal updates for the FIPS and privsep migration goals
17:21:47 <gouthamr> we heard more about this during PTG week. there's some homework left to do here, i'll track these
17:22:15 <gouthamr> and we had two other AIs, tacked to folks not present here..
17:22:51 <gouthamr> we've work to do wrt upgrade jobs across projects
17:23:21 <gouthamr> and bauzas meant to reconnect with seongsoocho and ianychoi for updates on translation tool migration and SIG activities
17:23:52 <gouthamr> the i18n SIG met last week at the PTG:
17:24:00 <gouthamr> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/apr2025-ptg-i18n (i18n PTG Etherpad)
17:24:54 <gouthamr> there are some status updates there ^
17:25:13 <gouthamr> a couple of actionable items, but, we probably could use context
17:26:19 <gouthamr> does anyone, perhaps fungi noonedeadpunk have anything urgent to bring up here? or should we chat about this next week when we've had some time to digest the AIs
17:27:03 <fungi> i do not
17:27:10 <cardoe> nothing urgent
17:27:22 <fungi> stuff we need to cover, but doesn't have to be today
17:27:32 <fungi> (wrt i18n/weblate)
17:27:46 <gouthamr> okay, i'll add a topic to our next meeting regarding this
17:29:41 <gouthamr> #topic OpenStack User Survey follow up
17:29:49 <gouthamr> so the user survey for 2025 is live
17:30:53 <gouthamr> #link https://www.openstack.org/user-survey/survey-2025 (2025 OpenStack User Survey)
17:31:07 <gouthamr> but allison tells me we can seek edits to the questions
17:31:18 <noonedeadpunk> \o/
17:31:42 <gouthamr> there were 7 questions the TC had posed in the past
17:33:34 <gouthamr> i can put those up in an etherpad: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-2025.2-tracker
17:35:28 <gouthamr> lets try to probably critique these questions, and see if something is irrelevant and can be removed
17:35:43 <gouthamr> its also an opportunity to add questions
17:36:02 <gouthamr> so if you can think of something worth asking, please feel free to add it to the etherpad
17:37:05 <gouthamr> my next question to aprice would be to get results of the 2024 User Survey
17:37:19 <gouthamr> so we can work on a report like these:
17:37:23 <gouthamr> #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/#summary-of-user-survey-questions-responses
17:38:15 <gouthamr> any opinions/concerns to share regarding this?
17:38:47 <frickler> sounds like a good plan to me
17:38:54 <cardoe> yeah this all seems good
17:39:30 <gouthamr> ty, lets move on..
17:39:41 <gouthamr> the next topic will be a sticky one here for a while
17:39:51 <gouthamr> #topic PTG Follow up
17:39:51 <gouthamr> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/apr2025-ptg-os-tc
17:40:30 <gouthamr> as i shared on the ML, the summary is a WIP, but, please do add your thoughts to the minutes you see on the pad
17:41:31 <gouthamr> #link https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhwOhbQKWT7XYzqrx21j1uizxNxnbDf5Q (TC PTG Recordings)
17:42:31 <gouthamr> it was a lot to unpack, but i really enjoyed the brainstorm we had over these 4 sessions, and will likely refer back to these minutes and recordings for a while
17:43:39 <gouthamr> one thing that got sufficient airtime is this resolution that'll need next steps
17:43:46 <gouthamr> #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/944817 ([resolution] Extend scope of VMT to cover all project teams)
17:44:41 <gouthamr> we do need some more roll call votes here, please take a look and add your +1 or -1 and any comments
17:46:02 <gouthamr> that's all i had for $topic today
17:46:21 <gouthamr> does anyone have anything else to share?
17:46:32 <gouthamr> how was the PTG? did you need a stiff drink at the end of each day?
17:46:57 <cardoe> just lots of jumping between sessions felt like I was rude cause I had to leave
17:47:55 <gouthamr> ah, that's well understood i think, unless you were saying something and dropped off mid-sentence
17:47:57 <gouthamr> :D
17:48:13 <gouthamr> but i heard your concerns regarding the scheduling
17:48:18 <sean-k-mooney> i think the virutal ptg are worse for that. its feels like you shodul attend as much as you can but as a result you end up back to back ot back between rooms
17:48:46 <sean-k-mooney> at least the in person event you got 5-10 mins while you walks between rooms to recharge
17:48:56 <gouthamr> true
17:49:07 <gouthamr> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/apr2025_ptg_feedback (PTG Feedback)
17:50:20 <gouthamr> think mandatory breaks, pre-published agendas, cross project space all are good asks, we can try to be a bit better with the next round with some changes
17:51:26 <sean-k-mooney> some porject definlty did build in some room. if you were in multiple tracks they didnt alwasy align but i dont think it was specificly any worse this time then the past few
17:52:22 <sean-k-mooney> but ya planing ot use 50 mins out of the 1 hour blocks and taking that break i think helps
17:52:36 <gouthamr> ++
17:53:43 * gouthamr copies this feedback into the etherpad
17:54:03 <gouthamr> alright, we're left with 7 minutes, and two more topics
17:54:06 <gouthamr> lets check on these
17:54:10 <gouthamr> #topic Gate Health
17:54:13 <fungi> i liked seeing some "happy hour" blocks in agendas
17:54:21 <gouthamr> fungi++
17:55:12 <gouthamr> we should do more of that, and try the unconference style meetups that ironic folks were telling us about
17:56:24 <clarkb> did grenade get updated to do the new upgrade paths? I should just go look
17:56:42 <gouthamr> have there been any failures?
17:57:08 <frickler> iirc gmann did the right things
17:57:27 <gouthamr> #link https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%22qa-2025-1-release%22
17:57:38 <gouthamr> #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/grenade/+/945244
17:57:46 <gouthamr> #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/grenade/+/945245
17:58:48 <gouthamr> note to carloss: gmann suggested a manila non-voting grenade job against this repo ^
17:59:20 <gouthamr> clarkb: hope those links answer the question
17:59:44 <clarkb> yup looks good
17:59:46 <gouthamr> we've one minute left
17:59:51 <gouthamr> (or not)
18:00:00 <carloss> gouthamr: ack, ty :)
18:00:08 <gouthamr> just a quick link to the TC tracker for 2025.2
18:00:10 <gouthamr> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-2025.1-tracker (Technical Committee activity tracker - 2025.1)
18:00:28 <gouthamr> please add anything you'd like to track through these meetings here ^
18:00:43 <gouthamr> with that, we don't have time for Open Discussion today
18:00:54 <gouthamr> but does anyone want to say something to record in the minutes?
18:01:39 <gouthamr> thank you all for participating today, this meeting will return next week!
18:01:39 <gouthamr> #endmeeting