08:00:39 #startmeeting tc 08:00:39 Meeting started Tue Oct 21 08:00:39 2025 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mnasiadka. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 08:00:39 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 08:00:39 The meeting name has been set to 'tc' 08:01:04 Welcome to the weekly meeting of the OpenStack Technical Committee. A reminder that this meeting is held under the OpenInfra Code of Conduct available at https://openinfra.dev/legal/code-of-conduct. 08:01:11 Today's meeting agenda can be found at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee 08:01:20 #topic Roll Call 08:01:21 O/ 08:01:39 \o yay, mornings ;) 08:01:45 o/, but for next 10 min only partly due to the conflict 08:01:56 o/ 08:02:15 Yay a time when I'd naturally be awake 08:03:06 courtesy-ping: noonedeadpunk bauzas 08:03:13 (Although they might be traveling back from the Summit) 08:07:33 next? 08:09:47 +1, waiting until :05 should be enough generally 08:10:09 Yeah, sorry 08:10:12 #topic Last Week's AIs 08:11:07 Mark Vitrage and Venus project-teams inactive 08:11:15 These changes have now merged; we need to be aware that, if activity doesn't resume, these project teams and deliverables can be retired prior to M-2 in the 2026.2 release 08:11:21 #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/emerging-technology-and-inactive-projects.html#current-inactive-projects 08:13:10 Assist Monasca's one-off release (elodilles) 08:13:17 Elod explained how a release can be requested; except, I (gouthamr) think the TC assumed the process to be more straight-forward for "inactive" project teams to request one-off releases 08:13:27 #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/953671 08:14:20 I haven't seen anyone who would actually do a release. I also don't think it would be releasable in its current state 08:14:57 as commented on that change, I am much in favor of proceeding with the retirement now, this has been dragging on for years 08:15:17 +100 08:15:49 Yes, I think three of us on the meeting are happy with proceeding with retirement, it’s been there for too long 08:16:15 so we need to find two more tc-members to make that a majority vote :) 08:17:02 tonyb: though had some comments that he knows organisations wanting to pick this up 08:17:14 But that hasn’t happened 08:17:14 Well I'm RC-1 on retirement because I'm aware of at least one member that wants to work on it 08:17:37 Ok, so are we persisting limbo state for another cycle then? 08:17:42 but "want to" doesn't suffice. also there's no apparent reason they could not do it outside of openstack 08:19:14 I understand that, I'm okay with due process ending up with the project being retired, but my preference would be to keep it inactive for another cycle 08:19:42 of course I'm only 1 vote and expect to be in the minority 08:19:52 tonyb: I'm assuming you are referring to someone else than those who already commented on the gov review? who still wants to stay anonymous for now? that's very weak reasoning IMO 08:20:11 ... unless it needs to be unanimous 08:20:15 Monasca is inactive since 2024.1 08:20:47 I don’t think it’s an easy job to get it back on track, and if that work hasn’t started yet - they will most likely not make it on time until 2026.1 release 08:21:02 But I think enough said - we need more votes on the retirement patch 08:21:27 frickler: It's not that they want to stay anonymous, it's that they currently unavailable 08:22:03 this statement doesn't make it more reliable to be honest 08:22:04 just to note that the patch is V-1 because the actual content removal patches need to be merged first, no reason to not vote on it already 08:22:57 be all are well aware of people and companies not willing something to die and promise to spend resources and this never happening because of running business 08:24:49 Ok, let’s go forward 08:24:56 Bump skyline self-nomination discussion thread to get PTL/core feedback (gouthamr) 08:25:02 This was done, and the PTL welcomed reetsrivastav but the skyline-core group on gerrit wasn't modified 08:25:08 #link https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/message/HVE5SEIXSGA4NTJYHAJQQX4N3GNXN6D5/ 08:25:17 #link https://review.opendev.org/admin/groups/1fe65032c39f1d459327b010730627a904d7b793,members 08:25:37 Do we need to do anything about this? 08:26:07 I guess frickler or I could add them to the group 08:26:18 (and then say so on the M/L) 08:26:38 Should we first ask the PTL to do so? 08:26:42 Maybe he doesn’t know 08:27:01 I don't think someone should be added as reviewer who hasn't done any actual reviews 08:27:12 at least that's my state from 2 weeks ago 08:27:36 (as core reviewer) 08:27:49 +1 on that 08:28:07 so let them do reviews, work on CI issues, then reconsider the application in due time 08:28:09 o/ sorry, just opened laptop and quite drained from the way back 08:28:47 no action needed on our side for now, IMO 08:29:10 frickler: I agree with you but the PTL said "Sure, just be careful", at least that's how I read it 08:30:39 hmm, it is difficult to really judge this statement for me, from one non-native speaker to another 08:30:49 * bauzas waves super late 08:31:24 Ok, should we wait it out for some time? I agree that a core reviewer without any review history looks super weird 08:31:30 I wasn't knowing the new cadence started this week :) 08:31:37 I also not sure if person without any known review activity should be considered as a core 08:31:55 and contribution for 3 month is a flag as well 08:32:56 IIRC cardoe also agreed with that point and had already mentioned it to the candidate. with no visible followup so far. 08:34:35 so to me sadly this looks to be close to another instance of a lot of "I want to" without meat. vegan meat if you prefer. 08:35:03 anyway, time for next topic I guess? 08:35:06 lol 08:36:20 Yeah, I can’t see any action from this 08:36:26 Check, rebase, or recheck relevant changes for Gazpacho runtime updates (gmaan, others) 08:36:32 frickler: I think you had a look into that? 08:36:56 there is one open patch for grenade that I'm aware of, let me find it 08:37:55 ah, two actually, https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/grenade/+/961914 is just struggling with CI instability it seems 08:39:00 the other one is merged already, there was some discussion due to OSC changes that are a bit non-backwards compatible https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/grenade/+/961913 08:39:39 but unless I'm missing something, no open issues anymore 08:40:38 next? ;) 08:41:20 #topic A check on gate health 08:41:29 Anybody wants to comment? All green? 08:41:37 (Apart the grenade instability) 08:42:36 well the docker.io and quay.io issues yesterday show once again that more autonomy is good 08:42:45 We had a gerrit outage on the weekend, which would have impacted reviews but not CI as such 08:43:35 Yeah, quay.io issues basically broke majority of Kolla-Ansible CI - but to achieve more ,,autonomy’’ we would need to probably use some intermediate registry inside OpenDev 08:43:42 tonyb: was there a reason for the outage found? or just "VM shutoff for unknown reasons"? 08:44:44 mnasiadka: or opendev could reconsider running their own registry ... but no easy task I know and not directly a TC topic ... except if anyone wants to organize funding for that :D 08:45:18 frickler: Yeah the VMs were shutdown. It was later in my Sunday and fungi dealt with it. 08:46:05 #topic A call for PTG Topics 08:46:10 Have there been any additions to make since the OpenInfra Summit? 08:46:19 gouthamr would like to request topics to seed the "Maintainers" discussion (a.k.a.: TC+Project Leaders discussion) 08:49:27 * tonyb doesn't really have any for that. 08:50:23 maybe "getting rid of *really old* libraries from OpenStack $projects we need you help", but that's probably more of a mailing-list/community goal/requirements thing than a TC thing 08:51:35 we could ask maintainers to report instances of this for a start 08:52:12 but agreed that this doesn't necessarily have to be a PTG discussion 08:52:52 There was a crypto libraries topic on the TC ,,shift’’ in the Open Source Pavillon - which gtema was mainly having - majority of them is unmaintained 08:53:19 gtema: did you happen to get that list, or will the author post it to the ML? 08:53:30 so I was thinking if we might wanna have some kind of oslo.crypto or smth 08:53:34 it's not that the Keystone is the only thing affected but yes, I had a long chat with JP on that 08:53:53 that might address the question of openstack overall relying on too many external crypto libraries, which are partially unmaintained 08:53:58 I will try to clarify. We definitely agreed to have a dedicated session in PTG (from Keystone pov) 08:54:06 and to remove that maintenance from keystone itself 08:54:16 but I agree we should raise it wider. I will try to catch JP and discuss it with him 08:54:21 Maybe that’s a good topic to TC+Project Leaders discussion 08:54:26 s/to/for/ 08:54:37 Ok then, next one 08:54:38 yes, would be good fit 08:54:38 #topic OpenStack User Survey Results 08:54:45 #link https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/thread/IIGG4IQBW3W6PTBT7ASKJKMQDAEGILSB/ 08:54:56 gtema: Oh that'd be great. 08:55:17 Do we need to do anything that? Some data extraction? 08:55:17 please include me (timewise) moving away from pysaml would help! 08:56:06 having that document not hosted on google would help me 08:56:09 :) 08:56:24 its hardly consumable honestly 08:56:52 for me not due to the google fact, but the format 08:57:00 where would you like it? I can move it for you. I can email you a CSV? 08:57:36 that's the point - the csv does not make it reasonable to consume 08:57:44 I'd take that, yes, thx. maybe putting it up on www.openstack.org would also be a good idea 08:57:54 I think it's renderred on analyticks page? 08:58:03 I can myself export-import into oo-calc, but its just so huge and not easy structured 08:58:25 the format of the results is another issue, I'm sure constructive ideas will be welcomed 08:58:28 as PTL I do not really know what to do with it 08:58:32 I assume that’s the format we get it from foundation 08:58:50 Maybe we need to work with Jimmy and others to make it more structured next time... 08:59:14 Any volunteer to pick up that discussion? 08:59:27 mean this: https://www.openstack.org/analytics 09:00:21 noonedeadpunk: that's a good location to add a download for the spreadsheet I guess? 09:01:03 yeah, as it already has a download pdf button 09:01:24 so no reasdon not to make it a dropdown and have like CSV as well 09:01:56 Ok then, if anybody wants to pick this up - I assume just reply to the thread Jimmy started 09:02:13 Time is up - thanks for coming, see you next week in the other timeslot. 09:02:15 #endmeeting