15:02:30 <anteaya> #startmeeting third-party
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15:02:38 <anteaya> hello
15:02:40 <lennyb_> hi
15:02:46 <anteaya> how is everyone today
15:02:49 <anteaya> hi lennyb_
15:03:03 <anteaya> lennyb_: thanks so much for taking care of the meetings last week
15:03:03 <Swanson> hello
15:03:05 <lennyb_> fine, thanks. how are you?
15:03:07 <anteaya> I really appreciate it
15:03:10 <anteaya> lennyb_: good thanks
15:03:19 <lennyb_> anteaya: you welcome
15:03:19 <anteaya> looks like a beautiful morning in Denver
15:03:23 <anteaya> hello Swanson
15:03:25 <mmedvede> hi all
15:03:31 <anteaya> hey mmedvede
15:03:46 <anteaya> what shall we discuss today?
15:04:38 <anteaya> does anyone have anything they would like to talk about?
15:05:35 <anteaya> no items?
15:05:37 <Swanson> Any known issues running devstack on top of devstack?  Having dhcp issues. (Having vpn issues, too.)
15:06:01 <anteaya> Swanson: what is your use case that you are running devstack on top of devstack?
15:06:04 <mmedvede> "devstack on top of devstack" - what does it mean?
15:06:56 <lennyb_> running devstack from VM
15:07:17 <Swanson> My cloud for my CI is a single node devstack.
15:07:23 <Swanson> vpn is really unhappy.
15:07:40 <anteaya> ummmm
15:07:58 <anteaya> devstack and the rest of the ci tools were not designed with vpn in mind
15:08:20 <Swanson> Oh, sorry.  That was why it is taking me so long to type.  My vpn is hosing me.
15:08:44 <anteaya> are you able to do any work outside a vpn?
15:08:58 <anteaya> if yes you would do yourself a big favour
15:09:33 <Swanson> Oh, yeah, for this there is no VPN.  I'm just having VPN troubles right now trying to attend this meeting.
15:10:09 <anteaya> right
15:10:23 <anteaya> so yes being able to irc outside a vpn would really help you
15:10:25 <Swanson> Anyways, just working through my networking issues.  Switching to neutron seems to have helped but it hasn't been repeatable.  Which is odd.
15:10:50 * anteaya is confused so decides to stay silent hoping more facts are forthcoming
15:12:03 <Swanson> Anyways, I got nothing for today.  That's just what I'm up to.
15:12:35 <mmedvede> Swanson: we are running our devstack gate on VMs on top of full blown OpenStack cloud, so I have little idea of what could go wrong in case of using devstack. But network is always tricky part
15:12:45 <anteaya> okay sorry I can't understand enough of what you are doing to offer any support
15:13:29 <anteaya> I will say again that our tools are designed for open source work
15:13:53 <anteaya> so any vpn or firewall needs to be addressed by the user on a case by case basis
15:14:19 <anteaya> Swanson: devstack is never meant to deploy a cloud
15:14:28 <anteaya> it is used for development and for testing
15:14:31 <Swanson> mmedvede, I'm confused as well.  The basic issue is that everything looks right but the vm's on the sub devstack do not get dhcp addresses.  So...
15:14:47 <anteaya> some people use devstack for deployment and usually end up with problems
15:15:23 <anteaya> I encourage you to consider some of our deployment options for your cloud (even if your cloud is one node)
15:15:37 <anteaya> puppet, ansible, chef and salt are all options
15:15:57 <Swanson> anteaya, k
15:15:59 <anteaya> and have code on git.openstack.org
15:16:52 <Swanson> anteaya, technically this is for testing but I get what you're saying.
15:17:00 <anteaya> okay
15:17:10 <anteaya> does anyone have anything more to offer for this topic?
15:17:41 <lennyb_> I have a question, maybe unrelated to the topic. How can I set guest image in local.conf if it's stored on my NFS folder and not in http url
15:18:44 <anteaya> lennyb_: interesting question, I do not have an answer
15:18:54 <anteaya> does anyone else have any thoughts?
15:19:28 <mmedvede> lennyb_: I do not know off the top of my head. But if I wanted to find out, I would look at the devstack source code
15:20:57 <lennyb_> mmedvede: interesting approach :). I will look further, it wasn't clear from the first glance :)
15:21:12 <mmedvede> I assume it would have something like 'wget $URL' at some point
15:21:37 <mmedvede> so it would be obvious if it can use something other than http url
15:22:07 <lennyb_> thanks
15:22:13 <mmedvede> lennyb_: hit me on irc after the meeting, I might be able to help
15:22:26 <lennyb_> ok, thanks.
15:22:39 <mmedvede> can use #openstack-third-party-ci channel
15:24:45 <mmedvede> Swanson: word of caution on deploying OpenStack (rather than using devstack) - it might take orders of magnitude longer than you expect
15:25:14 <Swanson> mmedvede, That's why i didn't do it in the first place.
15:25:30 <mmedvede> but I found standard puppet openstack modules work reasonably well, at least for Liberty
15:26:06 <Swanson> mmedvede, A base config should work  fine, I should think.  But that's why I thought devstack would work...
15:27:41 <Swanson> mmedvede, anteaya, thanks for the help.  I'll look to deploy Openstack proper.
15:28:30 <anteaya> Swanson: awesome
15:29:25 <mmedvede> Swanson: of course your network problems might not be caused by devstack itself, so you might find that after deploying OpenStack you still have the same problem...
15:29:51 <anteaya> yes that is true
15:30:55 <Swanson> mmedvede, True.  I have to assume it would be faster, tho.  So worth doing anyways, maybe?
15:32:08 <mmedvede> Swanson: faster to boot VMs? If you deploy all of OpenStack on single node, you might not see much of a difference compared to single node devstack.
15:32:58 <mmedvede> Swanson: but the benefit would be that you would have actual OpenStack deployment, with more control over it
15:33:28 <Swanson> mmedvede, True.
15:36:09 <anteaya> does anyone have anything more on this topic?
15:36:17 <Swanson> I do not.  Thanks for the help!
15:36:35 <lennyb_> nope. thanks.
15:36:35 <anteaya> Swanson: thanks for speaking up
15:36:49 <anteaya> does anyone have any other topic they would like to discuss?
15:37:54 <anteaya> does anyone have any objection to me closing the meeting?
15:38:31 <anteaya> thanks everyone for your kind attendance and participation today
15:38:42 <anteaya> enjoy the rest of the day/evening
15:38:46 <anteaya> see you all next week
15:38:49 <anteaya> #endmeeting