17:00:44 <sarob> #startmeeting training-guides 17:00:45 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Oct 13 17:00:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:46 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:00:49 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' 17:00:56 <sarob> hello all 17:00:57 <dbite> hello 17:00:59 <matjazp_> hi 17:01:00 <rluethi> hey 17:02:22 <sarob> so lets follow up on items from last week 17:02:53 <sarob> here is the doodle poll for kilo design time #link http://doodle.com/4hp7a89e3geykmhy 17:03:06 <sarob> i will send it over the ML as well 17:03:54 <sarob> any questions about us meeting over the kilo summit? 17:04:18 <sarob> #topic actions from last meeting 17:05:01 <sarob> okay 17:05:07 <sayali> Hello 17:05:12 <matjazp_> hi sayali 17:05:15 <sarob> hi there 17:05:20 <dbite> hey 17:05:26 <sarob> we are going over actions from last week 17:05:29 <dbite> check the logs for doodle link 17:06:01 <sarob> here is the docs program kilo summit etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docstopicsparissummit 17:06:38 <sarob> i dumped some training guides topic ideas into there for our design meet 17:06:50 <sarob> i ask that you all do the same 17:07:00 <sarob> so we have a solid agenda for the summit 17:07:06 <sayali> okay 17:07:16 <matjazp_> ok 17:07:22 <sarob> any questions about this? 17:08:41 <sarob> btw, my topic ideas are not the agenda per say 17:08:52 <sarob> i want the group to set the agenda 17:08:59 <sarob> i just got it started 17:09:27 <sarob> #action team updates kilo summit agenda with their topics #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docstopicsparissummit 17:10:06 <sarob> #action team updates the kilo summit doodle poll with their preferred time to meet #link http://doodle.com/4hp7a89e3geykmhy 17:10:39 <sarob> okay moving on 17:10:50 <sarob> #topic docs updates 17:11:11 <sarob> what up d? 17:11:30 <dbite> no progress on docs last week 17:11:53 <dbite> two things remain, update the basic install guides for Icehouse some fine tuning needed 17:12:21 <dbite> and fix XML schema to make it upto mark with docs 17:13:54 <sarob> should we list these as critical bugs to prioritize? 17:14:09 <dbite> yes that is a good way to start with it 17:14:35 <dbite> #action dbite address pending work on docs sub-team by logging bugs 17:14:47 <sarob> cool 17:15:11 <sarob> work that needs to get done asap marked as critical 17:15:22 <dbite> yes 17:15:25 <sarob> anything else? 17:15:31 <dbite> no, Im done 17:15:35 <sarob> coolo 17:15:45 <sarob> #topic infra updates 17:15:49 <matjazp_> well... looking at bug list... we need to address it more fequently.. 17:16:45 <sarob> i am going to start keeping up on the schedule, wiki, and bug tracking better 17:16:57 <dbite> infra is moving a bit faster now 17:16:57 <sarob> i have been lax 17:18:01 <dbite> first of all, we are almost ready to publish first of our custom jenkins jobs to build HTML and PDF presentations 17:18:18 <dbite> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126246/ 17:18:49 <dbite> this will make it easier for infra to publish more jobs eventually 17:18:50 <sarob> ill will run again this morning 17:18:52 <matjazp_> dbite: what was with wkhtml2pdf and weasyprint? 17:19:26 <dbite> the dependencies with wkhtml2pdf were a bit Icky so I found out a better solution 17:19:36 <dbite> which was weasyprint with no dependencies apart from python 17:19:44 <dbite> packages 17:20:03 <dbite> wkhtml2pdf also had some issues with the way it was using CSS for generating the PDF files 17:20:30 <dbite> and was having broken dependencies like QT4 which are not expected on a server while building it 17:20:39 <matjazp_> dbite: ok.. what's the status for this patch? Infra team is ok with it? 17:21:38 <dbite> the patch is ready 17:21:52 <dbite> we are waiting for global requirements to accept the patch 17:22:07 <dbite> after which we will push remaining scripts in training guides 17:22:24 <dbite> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127472/ 17:22:42 <dbite> we need to update global requirements before we can merge this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126877/ 17:23:09 <dbite> which is in turn required to automatically build this script using tox https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126246/ 17:23:32 <sarob> want me to answer doug's question? 17:23:47 <sarob> we can ask reed to weigh in 17:24:13 <dbite> I did not get doug's question 17:24:35 <sarob> he is asking why we are not using Sphinx 17:24:57 <dbite> ahh yes 17:25:08 <dbite> we need to ask Reed to answer this 17:26:02 <sarob> reed you onlilne? 17:26:27 <sarob> huurmph 17:26:51 <sarob> #action dbite, sarob get reed to comment on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127472/ 17:26:51 <dbite> I added him to the review so that he may notice this 17:27:26 <sarob> i just added him a sec ago 17:27:28 <dbite> reed seems to be offline for now 17:27:34 <sarob> yeah 17:28:07 <sarob> what else 17:28:15 <sarob> you got cooking? 17:28:26 <matjazp_> sarob: dbite: I think landslide is optimized for presentations, Sphinx is not? 17:28:44 <dbite> matjazp_: It makes me happy to think this way :) 17:28:59 <rluethi> matjazp_: I think so too, but it's worth finding out 17:29:07 <sarob> matjazp_ that is my understanding from reed 17:29:40 <matjazp_> So this is the reason we use landslide and weasyprint :) 17:29:57 <dbite> to generate presentations from sphinx needs similar tools like landslide which have more dependencies in turn! 17:31:00 <sarob> if it is nothing more than better quality output, i will back up that argument 17:31:53 <sarob> moving on? 17:31:58 <dbite> yes 17:31:58 <matjazp_> yes, me too... Presentations need to be of high quality (more than docs), or trainers won't use them 17:32:09 <sarob> yup 17:32:15 <sarob> #topic testing update 17:32:23 <matjazp_> slow progress 17:32:36 <matjazp_> compute node Quizz is more or less done 17:32:48 <matjazp_> moving to network node 17:33:42 <matjazp_> I have few questions in my txt files, need to submit as patches for network node quiz 17:33:51 <sarob> cool 17:34:11 <sarob> any thoughts on moodle or something else to add testing automation 17:34:24 <matjazp_> sarob: I hope to discuss this at the summit 17:34:57 <sarob> okay good 17:35:10 <matjazp_> I'll also ping M. Rice from LPI 17:35:26 <sarob> ideas on how to put the assessment test together? 17:35:52 <sarob> LPI input would be good 17:36:02 <dbite> what is LPI and who is M. Rice? 17:36:02 <matjazp_> hmmm.. I would like to have hands on test, but this is way harder than "just" normal test 17:36:04 <sarob> as least as reference info 17:36:23 <sarob> for the associate training, hands on may be too much 17:36:43 <matjazp_> sarob: it could be simplified 17:36:59 <matjazp_> usually there is a problem with resources and time limits 17:37:16 <sarob> it could be too much for us to support 17:37:19 <sarob> yeah 17:37:30 <matjazp_> dbite: Linuz Profesional Institute, they make Linux certifications 17:38:02 <dbite> ok 17:38:04 <sarob> Rice is one of the guys at LPI that reached out to us about 4 months ago 17:38:07 <sarob> member? 17:39:01 <matjazp_> one idea is just to have a larger pool of quastions and the assesment could be a random x quastions form that pool 17:39:08 <sarob> LPI works with a few different orgs on setting up and support trainers and testing certs 17:39:08 <matjazp_> questions 17:39:08 <dbite> ok 17:39:17 <dbite> yes I recollect 17:39:31 <sarob> matjazp_ i like that 17:39:59 <sarob> matjazp_ perhaps when automated quiz and test could pull from the same poll 17:40:01 <sarob> pool 17:40:02 <matjazp_> sarob: this means no hands on, unfortunately 17:40:45 <sarob> matjazp_ could still have a separate test section that is hands on 17:41:01 <sarob> matjazp_ that results get entered manually 17:41:53 <sarob> matjazp_ but while we are still getting started, id like to punt on the extra complexity 17:42:25 <sarob> matjazp_ can always come back to the test methods and options later 17:42:37 <matjazp_> sarob: agree.. so maybe it is easier to start with a getting a larger pool of "simple" questions 17:42:52 <sarob> matjazp_ i like that 17:43:19 <sarob> moving on? 17:43:25 <matjazp_> yes 17:43:53 <sarob> matjazp_ can you get the remaining quizzes done by the summit? 17:44:14 <matjazp_> for associate quide? yes, I hope so 17:44:25 <sarob> matjazp_ assign network and object storage quiz as critical bugs to yourself? 17:44:38 <matjazp_> ok 17:45:06 <sarob> #action matjazp assign network and object storage quizzes as critical bugs 17:45:10 <matjazp_> megan is helping me with object storage quiz... I have to ping her for the progress 17:45:27 <sarob> or assign to meganr as well 17:45:30 <sarob> up to you 17:45:40 <sarob> #topic audio visual update 17:46:32 <sayali> So I have been testing a few tools for on screen recording on linux and windows 17:48:08 <sayali> I have created a sample video using an open source tool mydesktoprecorder it came out quite good. 17:48:19 <sarob> nice 17:48:26 <sayali> I will have a proper one ready by tomorrow so that the team can review it 17:48:43 <sarob> great news 17:48:55 <sayali> and then we could ask the user group to start using these tools 17:49:28 <sayali> so no extra camera or anything is required if the sound quality and video quality is good enough and it will be easy to use as well. 17:49:54 <sarob> low tech is good 17:50:18 <sarob> anything else? 17:50:24 <dbite> sarob: I would suggest getting a proper recording mic 17:50:28 <dbite> with a pop filter 17:50:32 <sayali> nope thats all from my side 17:50:39 <dbite> atleast for the sake of keeping the audio quality good 17:50:56 <sarob> #action sayali will share AV first works with team 17:51:27 <sarob> dbite lets see/hear how the first version of this sounds 17:51:53 <sarob> dbite if we can get away with not needing it, much more the better 17:52:10 <sayali> ya that would be better because we want the user groups all over to use it 17:52:25 <sarob> #topic any other business 17:53:08 <sarob> im going to work on the associate training through user groups plan this week some more 17:53:47 <sarob> i think we will need another meeting just for logistics 17:54:20 <sarob> this team will not need to attend unless you plan on being a trainer 17:54:50 <matjazp_> meeting will be in person? Hangout? IRC? 17:54:51 <sarob> i have a few likely suspects as trainers 17:55:10 <dbite> ok, sounds good 17:55:22 <sarob> matjazp_ id prefer irc, but this is a different type of person(s) 17:55:41 <sarob> irc experience not as likely 17:56:02 <sarob> matjazp_ ill see if the trainer team goes for it 17:56:28 <matjazp_> sarob: we still need presentations for the associate guide 17:56:37 <matjazp_> like we have for Upstream training 17:56:38 <sarob> true that 17:56:57 <matjazp_> There is a demand for this stuff 17:57:06 <sarob> which stuff? 17:57:17 <matjazp_> "ppt"s 17:57:32 <sarob> matjazp_ sure 17:57:46 <sarob> matjazp_ everyone loves slideware 17:57:51 <sarob> ;) 17:58:17 <sarob> making slides will help us with fine tuning the material 17:58:28 <sarob> almost last call 17:58:42 <matjazp_> ...and we'll get more feedback on what works and what we need to improve 17:58:52 <sarob> #action sarob report on the trainer team setup progress at next week's meeting 17:59:04 <sarob> matjazp_ yup 17:59:27 <sarob> times up everyone 17:59:33 <sarob> until next week 17:59:35 <rluethi> cheers 17:59:49 <sarob> cheers! 17:59:49 <sayali> bye bye 18:00:04 <matjazp_> bye 18:00:09 <sarob> #endmeeting