16:02:49 <sarob> #startmeeting training-guides
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16:03:17 <sarob> roll call
17:02:00 <rluethi> dguitarbite, sayalilunkad: u there?
17:02:09 <sayalilunkad> rluethi: yes
17:02:28 <rluethi> we seem to be one chair short.
17:02:41 <matjazp> hi all
17:02:52 <sarob> hello
17:02:57 <rluethi> there he is.
17:03:08 <sarob> i started the meeting an hour too soon
17:03:12 <rluethi> I thought you might have gotten caught ab in DST.
17:03:17 <sarob> stupid daylight savings time
17:03:20 <rluethi> right.
17:03:31 <sarob> roll call
17:03:55 <rluethi> hi
17:04:00 <matjazp> hi
17:04:03 <sarob> \o/
17:04:03 <sayalilunkad> hello
17:04:17 <sarob> okey dokey
17:04:28 <sarob> i wasnt able to do much last week
17:04:39 <sarob> agenda here
17:04:42 <sarob> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/training-guides
17:04:51 <rluethi> no agenda for today. so, any other issues?
17:05:16 <sarob> well still need to review that stuff, right?
17:06:02 <matjazp> I was looking at that presentation stuff (xml to rst
17:06:17 <sayalilunkad> we have had the same agenda for the last two meetings if I remember correctly.
17:06:23 <sarob> http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-03-02-17.00.html
17:06:51 <sarob> how about review action items from last meet
17:06:54 <sarob> to start
17:07:08 <sarob> #topic review action stuff
17:07:27 <sarob> matjazp: how did your rework go?
17:08:08 <matjazp> so so... like reed said, landslide sucks (in comparison with "full" presentation sw)
17:08:20 <matjazp> I'll be posting a proposition
17:08:33 <matjazp> so you can all look at it and see if that is acceptable
17:08:54 <matjazp> we will also have to adapt a CSS.. font is to small for slides
17:09:18 <sarob> matjazp: ready to hear and see
17:09:32 <matjazp> sarob: I'm adapting your text.. hope thats ok
17:09:44 <sarob> matjazp: totally
17:09:50 <rluethi> matjazp: any reason to believe that hieroglyph would be better than landslide?
17:09:53 <matjazp> sarob: primarily looking at presentation, not so much on the content
17:09:59 <reed> matjazp, someone (Sylvain, IIRC) suggested to use reveal.js instead
17:10:14 <matjazp> rluethi: well.. it cant be as bad as landslide (i hope ;)
17:10:19 <reed> I asked for help in testing that solution
17:10:43 <sayalilunkad> reed: we did try using something similar to reveal.js. It was impress.js but that didn't work out too well
17:11:24 <matjazp> reed: does it have rst?
17:11:29 <matjazp> or only markup
17:11:35 <reed> reveal.js apparently uses RST as input so it may solve the problem
17:11:51 <rluethi> reed: one issue is that using something cool like reveal means PDF export becomes more important because many presentation computers are ancient machines without recent browsers.
17:12:03 <reed> but RST is such a family of formats in the end...
17:12:28 <reed> rluethi, probably but for Upstream Training that is not an issue
17:13:15 <sarob> rluethi: what presentation computers are you thinking of?
17:13:42 <rluethi> sarob: the machines that you find in firms and universities next to the projector.
17:13:51 <matjazp> rluethi: I always bring my laptop.. we can expect the same for other trainers
17:14:21 <rluethi> matjazp: if that works for trainers, I'm cool with that, too.
17:14:29 <matjazp> rluethi: I can't even remember when I last time used (yes, REALY ancient) presenter comp
17:14:51 <rluethi> matjazp: me? this week.
17:15:11 <matjazp> rluethi: my condolances ;)
17:15:30 <rluethi> matjazp: duly noted.
17:16:05 <rluethi> sayalilunkad, do you remember what the problem was with impress?
17:16:17 <matjazp> rluethi: usually, if you have VGA adapter and a full battery, you can always use your laptop as a alternative
17:17:09 <sayalilunkad> rluethi: I was just trying to find the patch I had for that. I can't seem to find it.
17:17:15 <rluethi> matjazp: I am used to events where there's not enough time to switch computers between presentations. but for OpenStack I think you are right.
17:18:10 * matjazp rluethi: yes, its true. I was talking about longer talks (a uni class and similar)... Lightning talks& company are different
17:18:23 * sarob like impress.js
17:19:09 <rluethi> sarob: do you like impress.js presentations, or did you write a presentation and like the way they're written?
17:19:38 <sarob> 3d presentation canvas
17:19:43 <matjazp> last time I checked, they were mostly based on markdown?
17:20:06 <sarob> i have not dig into code
17:20:09 <sarob> dug
17:20:22 <sayalilunkad> matjazp: thats right
17:20:58 <matjazp> I believe RST format somewhat narrows possible choices
17:22:06 <sarob> if we can support markdown and RST, is that bad?
17:22:12 <sayalilunkad> Can we not use markdown instead then?
17:23:08 <matjazp> I would prefer rst (as it will be the format of choice for Docs), but I don't have a personal preference...
17:23:35 <sarob> i prefer rst as well
17:24:05 <sarob> but supporting markdown too, could make this easier to move forward with automation, no?
17:24:22 <rluethi> +1 for RST, just for consistency's sake.
17:24:42 <sarob> i guess im just antsy
17:24:50 <sayalilunkad> I would prefer not having two formats. Either one fine with me
17:25:26 <sarob> so impress.js doesnt support rst?
17:25:44 <sayalilunkad> reveal.js on the other hand does seem to support rst
17:26:58 <matjazp> sayalilunkad: where do you see that?
17:26:59 <sarob> matjazp: your proposal will break the options down?
17:27:49 <sayalilunkad> sorry that was something else
17:28:18 <matjazp> my proposal was with landslide and using presenter notes for longer text and slide for bullet points (standard presenter stuff, really). So I took your slides and shorten them where I thought they were too long
17:28:48 <sarob> matjazp: ah, okay
17:29:19 <matjazp> we could test converters like https://github.com/regebro/hovercraft (rst to impress)
17:30:00 <matjazp> and https://github.com/marianoguerra/rst2html5 (rst to different renderers)
17:30:28 <matjazp> but in the mean time, lets just write content in rst...
17:30:31 <sarob> is dguitarbyte join us?
17:30:41 <matjazp> we can easily convert to anything later
17:30:49 <sarob> +1
17:31:02 <sarob> i need less options in my life
17:31:04 <rluethi> +1
17:31:15 <sayalilunkad> +1
17:31:44 * sarob on pin and needles for matjazp proposal
17:31:51 <sarob> ;)
17:31:59 <matjazp> later today
17:32:54 <sarob> #topic landing page
17:33:01 <sarob> we kinda talked
17:33:07 <sarob> about part of this
17:33:12 <sarob> but i have more
17:33:15 <sarob> to add
17:33:31 <sarob> i spoke with heidi and lauren from the foundation
17:33:32 <sayalilunkad> sure
17:33:34 <sarob> last week
17:34:03 <sarob> on training guides and the openstack.org/marketplace/training subsite
17:34:32 <sarob> they both agree on adding training guides to the online help section
17:35:13 <sarob> they are not sure about adding community training events to the main section of page though
17:35:13 <matjazp> online help section?
17:35:37 <sarob> #link http://www.openstack.org/marketplace/training/
17:35:44 <sarob> see middle right side
17:36:40 <sarob> its the courses section that we need to discuss further
17:36:40 <matjazp> there should also be a link from docs subsite
17:36:55 <sarob> matjazp: true
17:37:08 <sayalilunkad> for the middle right we need to scroll down the page
17:37:38 <sarob> really?
17:37:45 <matjazp> sayalilunkad: depends on the screen resolution
17:37:59 <sarob> openstack online help section is pretty high up there
17:38:08 <matjazp> I can see it on my laptop directly
17:39:06 <sarob> i have creating a landing page on my to do list
17:39:22 <sarob> im going to copy the ops or sec page
17:39:32 <sayalilunkad> hmm that's weird
17:40:25 <sarob> annd
17:41:04 <sarob> #topic landslide/sphinx report
17:41:22 <sarob> reed: you were tasked with reporting back?
17:41:42 <matjazp> sarob: due next week
17:42:29 <sarob> oh, okay
17:42:34 <reed> sarob, I didn't do it, sorry
17:42:44 <sarob> geez, i cant read, reed
17:42:56 <sarob> early ping
17:43:09 <reed> I'm following 3 conversations.. 4 now
17:43:27 <sarob> blush
17:43:56 <sarob> #topic other stuff
17:44:15 <sarob> i have taken on running the foundation training standards group
17:44:36 <sarob> it parallel to what we are working on
17:44:48 <rluethi> sarob: what is it?
17:44:50 <sarob> starting next week
17:45:08 <matjazp> sarob: I would like to be involved
17:45:24 <sarob> matjazp: its public
17:45:48 <sarob> #link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation-testing-standards
17:46:03 <sarob> jump on the ML for whats what
17:46:06 <matjazp> sarob: ok, thx
17:46:18 <sarob> first meeting next week sometime
17:46:28 <sarob> need to work it out soon
17:46:38 <sarob> as to why
17:47:09 <sarob> the foundation allows companies to use the openstack branded mark for promoting training
17:47:14 <sarob> on openstack
17:48:04 <sarob> foundation is going to employ a third party to implement openstack tests
17:48:22 <sarob> for certification like linux, ms, cisco, and the rest
17:49:00 <sarob> this new group is going to create the content of what should be part of those tests
17:49:42 <sarob> the third party testing cert company will create the tests and administer the implementation
17:50:12 <sarob> our group will want to know what those standards are too
17:50:48 <sarob> so community training trainees are learning the stuff
17:50:50 <matjazp> sarob: I remember working in a Openstack training working group few years back
17:50:55 <matjazp> sarob: same focus
17:50:55 <sarob> that helps them pass the tests
17:51:13 <sarob> matjazp: yup, this is a reboot of that
17:51:24 <sarob> mark collier started
17:51:30 <matjazp> sarob: true
17:51:39 <sarob> heidi bretz is running it now
17:52:06 <sarob> thats all i got to say about that
17:52:51 <matjazp> sarob: ok, thx, I'll try to pop up at the meeting
17:53:11 <sarob> jump on ML to keep on top of it
17:54:21 <sarob> so is dguitarbyte still leading the automation effort?
17:54:42 <rluethi> sarob: I suppose so.
17:55:29 <sarob> im open to whatever tweaks we team want
17:55:43 <sayalilunkad> tweak to?
17:55:55 <sarob> branching juno is my desire
17:56:18 <sarob> there i said it
17:56:47 <sarob> anything else?
17:57:45 <rluethi> wait, didn't we branch juno weeks ago?
17:58:09 <rluethi> anyhoo, I guess that's for next week's meeting.
17:58:27 <sarob> that was icehouse
17:58:28 <sayalilunkad> rluethi: I don't think we have juno branch yet
17:58:43 <sayalilunkad> only icehouse and the trunk at preset
17:58:43 <rluethi> trunk is the juno branch, isn't it?
17:58:48 <sarob> we wanted to get slides going first
17:58:50 <sayalilunkad> yes
17:59:01 <sayalilunkad> trunk will become juno
17:59:01 <sarob> allllmost there
17:59:08 <sarob> roger that
17:59:29 <sarob> i say goodnight and good morning
17:59:45 <rluethi> bye
17:59:53 <sayalilunkad> buh bye
17:59:53 <sarob> #endmeeting