16:02:49 #startmeeting training-guides 16:02:50 Meeting started Mon Mar 9 16:02:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:02:51 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:02:53 The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' 16:03:17 roll call 17:02:00 dguitarbite, sayalilunkad: u there? 17:02:09 rluethi: yes 17:02:28 we seem to be one chair short. 17:02:41 hi all 17:02:52 hello 17:02:57 there he is. 17:03:08 i started the meeting an hour too soon 17:03:12 I thought you might have gotten caught ab in DST. 17:03:17 stupid daylight savings time 17:03:20 right. 17:03:31 roll call 17:03:55 hi 17:04:00 hi 17:04:03 \o/ 17:04:03 hello 17:04:17 okey dokey 17:04:28 i wasnt able to do much last week 17:04:39 agenda here 17:04:42 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/training-guides 17:04:51 no agenda for today. so, any other issues? 17:05:16 well still need to review that stuff, right? 17:06:02 I was looking at that presentation stuff (xml to rst 17:06:17 we have had the same agenda for the last two meetings if I remember correctly. 17:06:23 http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-03-02-17.00.html 17:06:51 how about review action items from last meet 17:06:54 to start 17:07:08 #topic review action stuff 17:07:27 matjazp: how did your rework go? 17:08:08 so so... like reed said, landslide sucks (in comparison with "full" presentation sw) 17:08:20 I'll be posting a proposition 17:08:33 so you can all look at it and see if that is acceptable 17:08:54 we will also have to adapt a CSS.. font is to small for slides 17:09:18 matjazp: ready to hear and see 17:09:32 sarob: I'm adapting your text.. hope thats ok 17:09:44 matjazp: totally 17:09:50 matjazp: any reason to believe that hieroglyph would be better than landslide? 17:09:53 sarob: primarily looking at presentation, not so much on the content 17:09:59 matjazp, someone (Sylvain, IIRC) suggested to use reveal.js instead 17:10:14 rluethi: well.. it cant be as bad as landslide (i hope ;) 17:10:19 I asked for help in testing that solution 17:10:43 reed: we did try using something similar to reveal.js. It was impress.js but that didn't work out too well 17:11:24 reed: does it have rst? 17:11:29 or only markup 17:11:35 reveal.js apparently uses RST as input so it may solve the problem 17:11:51 reed: one issue is that using something cool like reveal means PDF export becomes more important because many presentation computers are ancient machines without recent browsers. 17:12:03 but RST is such a family of formats in the end... 17:12:28 rluethi, probably but for Upstream Training that is not an issue 17:13:15 rluethi: what presentation computers are you thinking of? 17:13:42 sarob: the machines that you find in firms and universities next to the projector. 17:13:51 rluethi: I always bring my laptop.. we can expect the same for other trainers 17:14:21 matjazp: if that works for trainers, I'm cool with that, too. 17:14:29 rluethi: I can't even remember when I last time used (yes, REALY ancient) presenter comp 17:14:51 matjazp: me? this week. 17:15:11 rluethi: my condolances ;) 17:15:30 matjazp: duly noted. 17:16:05 sayalilunkad, do you remember what the problem was with impress? 17:16:17 rluethi: usually, if you have VGA adapter and a full battery, you can always use your laptop as a alternative 17:17:09 rluethi: I was just trying to find the patch I had for that. I can't seem to find it. 17:17:15 matjazp: I am used to events where there's not enough time to switch computers between presentations. but for OpenStack I think you are right. 17:18:10 * matjazp rluethi: yes, its true. I was talking about longer talks (a uni class and similar)... Lightning talks& company are different 17:18:23 * sarob like impress.js 17:19:09 sarob: do you like impress.js presentations, or did you write a presentation and like the way they're written? 17:19:38 3d presentation canvas 17:19:43 last time I checked, they were mostly based on markdown? 17:20:06 i have not dig into code 17:20:09 dug 17:20:22 matjazp: thats right 17:20:58 I believe RST format somewhat narrows possible choices 17:22:06 if we can support markdown and RST, is that bad? 17:22:12 Can we not use markdown instead then? 17:23:08 I would prefer rst (as it will be the format of choice for Docs), but I don't have a personal preference... 17:23:35 i prefer rst as well 17:24:05 but supporting markdown too, could make this easier to move forward with automation, no? 17:24:22 +1 for RST, just for consistency's sake. 17:24:42 i guess im just antsy 17:24:50 I would prefer not having two formats. Either one fine with me 17:25:26 so impress.js doesnt support rst? 17:25:44 reveal.js on the other hand does seem to support rst 17:26:58 sayalilunkad: where do you see that? 17:26:59 matjazp: your proposal will break the options down? 17:27:49 sorry that was something else 17:28:18 my proposal was with landslide and using presenter notes for longer text and slide for bullet points (standard presenter stuff, really). So I took your slides and shorten them where I thought they were too long 17:28:48 matjazp: ah, okay 17:29:19 we could test converters like https://github.com/regebro/hovercraft (rst to impress) 17:30:00 and https://github.com/marianoguerra/rst2html5 (rst to different renderers) 17:30:28 but in the mean time, lets just write content in rst... 17:30:31 is dguitarbyte join us? 17:30:41 we can easily convert to anything later 17:30:49 +1 17:31:02 i need less options in my life 17:31:04 +1 17:31:15 +1 17:31:44 * sarob on pin and needles for matjazp proposal 17:31:51 ;) 17:31:59 later today 17:32:54 #topic landing page 17:33:01 we kinda talked 17:33:07 about part of this 17:33:12 but i have more 17:33:15 to add 17:33:31 i spoke with heidi and lauren from the foundation 17:33:32 sure 17:33:34 last week 17:34:03 on training guides and the openstack.org/marketplace/training subsite 17:34:32 they both agree on adding training guides to the online help section 17:35:13 they are not sure about adding community training events to the main section of page though 17:35:13 online help section? 17:35:37 #link http://www.openstack.org/marketplace/training/ 17:35:44 see middle right side 17:36:40 its the courses section that we need to discuss further 17:36:40 there should also be a link from docs subsite 17:36:55 matjazp: true 17:37:08 for the middle right we need to scroll down the page 17:37:38 really? 17:37:45 sayalilunkad: depends on the screen resolution 17:37:59 openstack online help section is pretty high up there 17:38:08 I can see it on my laptop directly 17:39:06 i have creating a landing page on my to do list 17:39:22 im going to copy the ops or sec page 17:39:32 hmm that's weird 17:40:25 annd 17:41:04 #topic landslide/sphinx report 17:41:22 reed: you were tasked with reporting back? 17:41:42 sarob: due next week 17:42:29 oh, okay 17:42:34 sarob, I didn't do it, sorry 17:42:44 geez, i cant read, reed 17:42:56 early ping 17:43:09 I'm following 3 conversations.. 4 now 17:43:27 blush 17:43:56 #topic other stuff 17:44:15 i have taken on running the foundation training standards group 17:44:36 it parallel to what we are working on 17:44:48 sarob: what is it? 17:44:50 starting next week 17:45:08 sarob: I would like to be involved 17:45:24 matjazp: its public 17:45:48 #link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation-testing-standards 17:46:03 jump on the ML for whats what 17:46:06 sarob: ok, thx 17:46:18 first meeting next week sometime 17:46:28 need to work it out soon 17:46:38 as to why 17:47:09 the foundation allows companies to use the openstack branded mark for promoting training 17:47:14 on openstack 17:48:04 foundation is going to employ a third party to implement openstack tests 17:48:22 for certification like linux, ms, cisco, and the rest 17:49:00 this new group is going to create the content of what should be part of those tests 17:49:42 the third party testing cert company will create the tests and administer the implementation 17:50:12 our group will want to know what those standards are too 17:50:48 so community training trainees are learning the stuff 17:50:50 sarob: I remember working in a Openstack training working group few years back 17:50:55 sarob: same focus 17:50:55 that helps them pass the tests 17:51:13 matjazp: yup, this is a reboot of that 17:51:24 mark collier started 17:51:30 sarob: true 17:51:39 heidi bretz is running it now 17:52:06 thats all i got to say about that 17:52:51 sarob: ok, thx, I'll try to pop up at the meeting 17:53:11 jump on ML to keep on top of it 17:54:21 so is dguitarbyte still leading the automation effort? 17:54:42 sarob: I suppose so. 17:55:29 im open to whatever tweaks we team want 17:55:43 tweak to? 17:55:55 branching juno is my desire 17:56:18 there i said it 17:56:47 anything else? 17:57:45 wait, didn't we branch juno weeks ago? 17:58:09 anyhoo, I guess that's for next week's meeting. 17:58:27 that was icehouse 17:58:28 rluethi: I don't think we have juno branch yet 17:58:43 only icehouse and the trunk at preset 17:58:43 trunk is the juno branch, isn't it? 17:58:48 we wanted to get slides going first 17:58:50 yes 17:59:01 trunk will become juno 17:59:01 allllmost there 17:59:08 roger that 17:59:29 i say goodnight and good morning 17:59:45 bye 17:59:53 buh bye 17:59:53 #endmeeting