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17:02:32 <matjazp> rluethi: short meeting?
17:02:40 <sarob> Roll ca
17:02:44 <sarob> Call
17:02:47 <rluethi> matjazp: more than long enough
17:03:03 <matjazp> here
17:03:11 <sarob> I don't have much to update
17:03:31 <sarob> Last week was not good
17:03:49 <rluethi> sarob: not good?
17:03:55 <sarob> Start by going over action items
17:04:19 <sarob> Family problems
17:04:32 <rluethi> sarob: sorry about that.
17:04:39 <sarob> And I quit my job
17:04:53 <sarob> Rluethi: Thx
17:04:56 <rluethi> sarob: wow.
17:05:09 <sarob> Indeed
17:05:10 <matjazp> sarob: god. you really had a lousy week :(
17:05:19 <sarob> Pretty much
17:06:01 <rluethi> sarob: still going to Vancouver, though?
17:06:07 <sarob> No updates from me on my action items
17:06:19 <sarob> Rluethi: oh yes
17:06:35 <sarob> I should have said I switched jobs
17:06:53 <sarob> I'm going to be running dev for Akanda
17:07:05 <sarob> DreamHost spin out
17:07:16 <matjazp> sarob: oh.. that sounds better
17:07:29 <sayalilunkad> hello
17:07:29 <sarob> Still nerve racking quoting
17:07:30 <rluethi> indeed.
17:07:34 <sayalilunkad> sorry about the delay
17:07:40 <sarob> Np
17:07:49 <sarob> Just getting started
17:07:53 <sayalilunkad> cool
17:07:57 <rluethi> hello to India.
17:08:31 <sarob> How'd the workshop end up!
17:09:31 <sarob> Hmmm?
17:09:55 <rluethi> sayalilunkad, I think he might be talking to you.
17:10:25 <sarob> No matter
17:10:59 <sayalilunkad> It was good!
17:10:59 <sayalilunkad> Got plenty of feedback on osbash
17:10:59 <sayalilunkad> that we can improve on
17:10:59 <sayalilunkad> got some people interested in working on AV too
17:10:59 <sayalilunkad> sarob: I created a survey using your account
17:10:59 <sayalilunkad> We can check that for analysis
17:11:12 <sarob> Cool
17:11:16 <sarob> Share link?
17:11:31 <vigneshvar> hi
17:11:37 <sarob> Hi
17:11:53 <sayalilunkad> what?
17:12:09 <sarob> No prob I find it
17:12:31 <sarob> Doesn't look like any updates on action items
17:12:41 <sayalilunkad> you not getting my messages?
17:12:47 <sarob> Move straight to reviews?
17:13:19 <sarob> Sayalilunkad did I miss an email?
17:13:53 <rluethi> sarob, sayalilunkad: you guys need to read the transcript, it looks like somebody's on a bad connection or something.
17:13:55 <sayalilunkad> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/8PCHMPQ
17:14:14 <sarob> Strange
17:14:21 <sarob> I see that link
17:15:00 <sayalilunkad> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/DCBSKGD
17:15:04 <sayalilunkad> Two of them
17:15:41 <sarob> Okay
17:15:55 <sayalilunkad> sarob: you didn't get notified?
17:16:04 <sarob> Guess not
17:16:13 <sayalilunkad> hmm strange
17:16:27 <sarob> So 59 for 13 feb
17:16:43 <sarob> 13 for 22mar
17:16:43 <sayalilunkad> No, that is for 16th March
17:16:48 <sayalilunkad> The date was wrong
17:17:08 <sarob> 13 feb is 16 mar?
17:17:23 <sayalilunkad> yes
17:17:27 <rluethi> In my experience it often helps to have some strictly qualitative questions like: what did you like, what needs improvement? what do you wish you had know before going to the workshop? etc.
17:17:28 <matjazp> where are the results of the survey? I get only the survey, not results?
17:18:23 <sarob> Gathering
17:18:53 <sarob_> #link http://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-X8MQPQB7
17:19:12 <sarob> And
17:19:53 <sarob_> #link http://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-GPCF6QB7
17:20:06 <sarob> Good info
17:20:35 <sayalilunkad> the second workshops had fewer attendees
17:20:59 <sarob> Do you have details on what was different than the published content ?
17:21:14 <sayalilunkad> I had made some presentations
17:21:23 <rluethi> I still like qualitative questions. Based on the survey results, I have little idea how to further improve the workshop.
17:21:31 <sayalilunkad> http://blog.sayalilunkad.com/talks/openstack-workshop/openstack-workshop.html#/step-1
17:21:33 <sarob> That info can help us tailor the slides
17:21:36 <sayalilunkad> http://blog.sayalilunkad.com/talks/openstack-dev/openstack-dev.html#/step-1
17:22:08 <sayalilunkad> Roger joined us yesterday for sometime
17:22:26 <sarob> Very nice
17:22:56 <sarob> So what's your takeaway from the workshops?
17:23:00 <sayalilunkad> It was good to have him there
17:23:22 <sayalilunkad> sarob: nothing, just to help the students out to get started
17:24:19 <sarob> Does the workshop change your opinion on the direction of the juno slides?
17:25:19 <sarob> The responses look like the trainees liked what you were doing
17:25:43 <sayalilunkad> I haven't taken a detailed look at the slides content. I will do that and give some feedback.
17:25:57 <sarob> Cool
17:26:31 <sarob> Practical classroom feedback should drive the slides
17:27:25 <sarob> Let's review patches next
17:27:42 <sarob> #topic review current patches
17:28:08 <rluethi> Just when I was about to complain that nobody's reviewing my stuff, somebody came along and did it.
17:28:28 <rluethi> Thanks :-).
17:28:32 <matjazp> could you look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142344/
17:29:15 <sayalilunkad> rluethi: ;)
17:29:30 <sarob> Looking
17:30:03 <matjazp> if this is ok, we could also shorten other content this way
17:30:12 <sayalilunkad> matjazp: checking
17:30:44 <sarob> Moving content to presenter notes
17:30:49 <sarob> Basically it?
17:31:21 <matjazp> longer text is now in presenter notes.. this helps when other ppl use slides for their talks
17:31:32 <sarob> Nice
17:31:51 <rluethi> matjazp: way to go!
17:32:04 <sarob> The more ww do this
17:32:23 <sarob> More people can reuse the slides too
17:32:48 <sarob> Without needing to make major changes for their tweaks
17:32:49 <matjazp> sarob: exactly. sometimes it is a bit cryptic what some bullets mean..
17:32:57 <sarob> Like it
17:33:08 <sayalilunkad> looks good
17:33:31 <matjazp> this was a "template" I was talking about last week over email
17:34:01 * sarob jumps up on table for a jig
17:34:19 <matjazp> and we still get some sort of handout material for free... just print slides with presenter notes as a "guide"
17:34:58 <dguitarbite> hello, sorry for the delay.
17:35:08 <sarob> Np
17:35:13 <matjazp> hey dguitarbite
17:35:15 <sayalilunkad> hello
17:35:35 <rluethi> good morning, dguitarbite.
17:35:39 <sarob> matjazp #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142344/
17:35:43 <sarob> Take a look
17:36:05 <sayalilunkad> rluethi: he is on IST :P
17:36:15 <sarob> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142344/
17:36:17 <dguitarbite> but its still morning for me :P
17:36:50 <sarob> The sun is not an indication of what time it is
17:36:51 <rluethi> sayalilunkad: since when? you're not. you may live in the geography, but not in the TZ :-).
17:36:56 <matjazp> sarob: don't get what you mean?
17:37:07 <dguitarbite> well said :)
17:37:12 <sarob> Matjazp: sorry what?
17:37:13 <sayalilunkad> rluethi: true that ;)
17:37:33 <matjazp> you said: matjazp #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142344/
17:37:45 <matjazp> I don't get it?
17:37:59 <sarob> Oh, I was trying to show dguitarbite what we are looking at
17:38:07 <sarob> Bad paste
17:38:31 <matjazp> oh, ok. :)
17:38:46 * sarob paste has aftertaste
17:39:30 * dguitarbite it might be expired ;)
17:39:43 <dguitarbite> I am going through the meeting logs
17:40:05 <sarob> Dguitarbite any update on automation?
17:40:21 <dguitarbite> sarob: for building the rst?
17:40:25 <sarob> I didn't get to anything last week
17:40:32 <sarob> Dguitarbite yup
17:41:57 <dguitarbite> sarob: I was waiting for updates on rst files
17:42:07 <dguitarbite> so that I can build it using heiroglyph
17:42:14 <dguitarbite> I need a make file to build it
17:42:27 <sarob> Not enough there to test?
17:43:05 <matjazp> for hiero, we need to convert rst a bit... nothing big though
17:44:01 <dguitarbite> yes, I did not take a look as we decided last meeting
17:44:16 <dguitarbite> also I was a bit pre-occupied with the workshop and falling a bit sick in between
17:44:24 <sarob> Totally fine
17:44:44 <sarob> Matjazp has a new tweak on the rst
17:44:47 <dguitarbite> sarob: I shall work on the automation scripts this week
17:45:10 <dguitarbite> just finish it soonish, can you guys update one of the slides and then send an email to the docs ML
17:45:11 <sarob> I'll churn on the other assoc patches
17:45:18 * dguitarbite is a bit lazy due to the heat
17:45:58 <sarob> Np
17:46:10 <dguitarbite> I would also like to convert the PNGs to SVG format
17:46:20 <dguitarbite> but this could be goal for next release
17:46:27 <dguitarbite> more priority for the content to be ready for publishing
17:46:44 <dguitarbite> quite a lot of demand for supporting content, the labs look great (from the workshop)
17:46:46 <sarob> Better rendering?
17:47:05 <dguitarbite> sarob: more than that, light weight and also trying to avoid binary formats if possible
17:47:12 <sarob> Got it
17:47:13 <dguitarbite> I got the skills to convert them to SVG so no worries there
17:47:23 <sarob> np
17:47:44 <sarob> Updates on video plans?
17:48:03 <sayalilunkad> I am waiting for vigneshvar to share the video he has made
17:48:23 <sayalilunkad> He also was present at the Bangalore workshop
17:48:33 <sayalilunkad> he helped a lot
17:48:51 <vigneshvar> sayalilunkad: Yes i will share it
17:49:42 <sayalilunkad> Another person has made a windows related video
17:49:55 <sarob> Is there a way to add a frame plus link to a slide easily?
17:50:04 <rluethi> sayalilunkad: link?
17:50:21 <sayalilunkad> He hasnt uploaded it yet
17:50:40 <rluethi> sayalilunkad: ah. please let us know once he has.
17:50:52 <sarob> I'd like to start including the videos as part of slides
17:50:58 <sayalilunkad> I will for sure
17:51:03 <sarob> Would be very nice addition
17:51:24 <sayalilunkad> I would think including pictures in the slides would be better
17:51:39 <sayalilunkad> like snapshots
17:52:19 <sarob> You mean snippets of video
17:52:31 <sarob> Rather than the whole bit
17:52:37 <rluethi> sarob: oh, something like embedded youtube videos in the HTML slides?
17:52:45 <sayalilunkad> rluethi: yes
17:53:07 <matjazp> sarob: but why wmbed videos on slides when you have a live presenter in fromt of you?
17:53:12 <matjazp> embed
17:53:24 <dguitarbite> good point
17:53:31 <dguitarbite> we might want to discuss this on the ML?
17:53:34 <rluethi> matjazp: good point indeed.
17:53:36 <matjazp> dguitarbite: sure
17:53:37 <sarob> Matjazp: true
17:53:42 <sayalilunkad> The university we conducted the workshop at in bangalore has a video recorded for the entire event. We are trying to get that from them
17:53:44 <sarob> Yeah
17:53:54 <sayalilunkad> So that can be added to AV too after some editing
17:54:56 <sarob> Some way of adding single user content without interfering with instructor led
17:56:07 <sayalilunkad> It would be a good idea to make AV videos in sync with the RST content
17:56:12 <sarob> #topic any other business
17:56:18 <sayalilunkad> That way both can progress in parallel
17:56:20 <sarob> Yup
17:56:58 <sarob> Having online videos will be really nice
17:57:20 <sarob> Professional touch
17:57:30 <dguitarbite> sarob: I agree
17:57:35 <sayalilunkad> agreed
17:57:43 <vigneshvar> sayalilunkad: i spoke with the univ person
17:57:51 <sayalilunkad> vigneshvar: and?
17:58:18 <dguitarbite> vigneshvar: Im eager to hear more and also may be talk on docs IRC channel (time's almost up)
17:58:46 <vigneshvar> sayalilunkad: he said that the video needs to be submitted to their govt as they sponsored
17:58:56 <vigneshvar> and they are not supposed to share it
17:59:05 <dguitarbite> vigneshvar: sponsored what?
17:59:07 <vigneshvar> dguitarbite: yes we can take it over
17:59:08 <sarob> Sigh
17:59:10 <dguitarbite> the event was free!
17:59:19 <sayalilunkad> vigneshvar: I will talk to them
17:59:20 <dguitarbite> I feel humiliated :(
17:59:36 <sayalilunkad> ikr
17:59:39 <sarob> Good luck
17:59:42 <dguitarbite> thanks
17:59:55 <sarob> That's all the time for today
18:00:04 <sarob> Happiness to all
18:00:18 <dguitarbite> bye
18:00:21 <sayalilunkad> bye bye
18:00:21 <rluethi> see you next week(ish)
18:00:21 <matjazp> bye
18:00:30 <sarob> #endmeeting