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17:02:41 <sarob> agenda
17:03:01 <sarob> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/training-guides
17:03:14 <sarob> sorry i have been out
17:03:24 <sarob> getting stuff at the new job organized
17:04:24 <sarob> matjazp patches got it
17:04:28 <sarob> in that is
17:05:07 <sarob> the new docs PTL is asking that we figure out our specs
17:05:53 <sarob> i got us a design session slot
17:06:23 <matjazp> sarob: hmm.. I think I won't be able to make it to the Summit
17:06:32 <sarob> :(
17:06:48 <sarob> dbite is going to make it
17:07:07 <matjazp> sarob: some money issues . about travel expenses.
17:07:12 <sarob> monday 4:40-5:20pm room 224
17:07:19 <sarob> holds 40 people
17:07:37 <sarob> the ambassadors mtg is right after our
17:07:40 <sarob> ours
17:07:49 <sarob> thought that would make sense
17:07:54 <dguitarbite> hello
17:08:05 <rluethi> hi
17:08:05 <sarob> dguitarbite hey
17:08:40 <sarob> i got us a room for a design session at the summit monday afternoon
17:08:56 <sarob> right before the ambassadors meeting
17:09:20 <sarob> i have started working with the foundation
17:09:32 <sayalilunkad> hello
17:09:35 <sarob> on the testing certification standards stuff
17:09:43 <sarob> sayalilunkad: hey
17:09:44 <dguitarbite> sayalilunkad: hello
17:09:59 <dguitarbite> sarob: that would be awesome to have certification standards!
17:10:03 <rluethi> hi sayalilunkad
17:10:38 <sarob> dguitarbite: it is going to be a long process
17:10:44 <matjazp> sarob: did you discussed things about overlapping of testing in the training guides and the foundatoin's certification?
17:11:44 <sarob> matjazp: the theory of it yes
17:12:08 <sarob> matjazp: the linux foundation has been
17:12:17 <matjazp> sarob: sorry I couldnt attend.. overlapping of my schedule :(
17:12:19 <sarob> matjazp: contracted by the openstack foundation
17:13:08 <sarob> matjazp: no problem, i have temporarily suspended the testing standards meetings
17:13:09 <dguitarbite> sarob: I understand that this will be a long process! But Im glad its in progress :)
17:13:49 <sarob> dguitarbite: yeah, 6 months of putting together the teams, scoping, etc
17:13:53 <matjazp> sarob: yes, I got your mail on the ML.. but I don't know if we can also use/or contribute/ some questions?
17:14:25 <sarob> matjazp: there will def be a time for this team to get invovled with that
17:14:38 <sarob> matjazp: it just wont be for a bit
17:14:49 <sarob> matjazp: as the cert teams get spun up
17:16:02 <sarob> its going to be very public and process oriented
17:16:19 <sarob> from experience
17:16:29 <sarob> it has to be legally defendable
17:17:03 <sarob> people have sued over the tests and how they are put together
17:17:14 <sarob> sigh
17:17:51 <sarob> so whada i miss while i was out the last few weeks?
17:19:24 <dguitarbite> someone voluenteers for labs section?
17:19:43 <dguitarbite> I gues Sayali you are the best person to speak up as you have done most of the work in the last two weeks
17:20:24 <sayalilunkad> sarob: we have added some new features to osbash
17:20:43 <sayalilunkad> we have heat added and ceilometer in review
17:21:00 <sarob> sweet
17:21:31 <sayalilunkad> Also, some nice test scripts are in progress and some races have been fixed too
17:22:43 <sarob> how's the publishing automation going?
17:22:47 <sayalilunkad> dguitarbite: rluethi anything else?
17:23:05 <rluethi> I think you covered all the important bits.
17:24:14 <dguitarbite> Not much from my side either
17:25:21 <sarob> did you have the automation bits in your personal repo
17:26:09 <dguitarbite> sarob: meaning?
17:26:41 <sarob> dguitarbite: so i or stef could help
17:27:31 <sarob> cause we wanted to have upstream training slides pub for the pre summit session
17:27:36 <matjazp> gate check is done, we still need to automate the publishing of slides
17:28:22 <matjazp> it is much quicker to review the slide content if we could see the changes in the review
17:28:45 <sarob> matjazp: html version?
17:28:51 <sarob> matjazp: not sure i understand
17:29:01 <matjazp> sarob: we also finished the transition from landslide to the hieroglyph
17:29:11 <matjazp> sarob: yes, html
17:29:17 <sarob> matjazp: yeah, i saw that slide past
17:29:25 * sarob is punny
17:29:53 <matjazp> we still need to finish associate guide slides
17:30:09 <matjazp> we now have a "new" Openstack theme
17:30:12 <sarob> yeah, i see those hanging over me
17:30:24 <sarob> css?
17:30:28 <matjazp> sarob: I will help
17:30:42 <sarob> yur my hero!
17:30:54 <matjazp> sarob: theme is ok for now, we need to focus on the content
17:31:02 <sarob> okay
17:31:43 <matjazp> maybe you guys could also publish slides about how to use labs?
17:32:11 <rluethi> matjazp: good idea
17:32:21 <matjazp> and we could incorporate this directly in our slide material
17:32:33 <sayalilunkad> we could reuse some of the slides from the workshop ppt
17:32:50 <sarob> sayalilunkad: that would be good
17:32:53 <matjazp> sayalilunkad: sure
17:32:59 <sayalilunkad> labs are covered in those
17:33:09 <sayalilunkad> so is devstack and sandbox.
17:33:49 <sarob> sayalilunkad: did you share that ppt from the workshop?
17:34:07 <sayalilunkad> yes I shared the links
17:34:11 <matjazp> hmm... devstack.. I guess we will have some overlap with upstream training..
17:34:18 <sarob> sayalilunkad: okay i will dig out
17:34:34 <sayalilunkad> sarob: http://blog.sayalilunkad.com/presentations.html
17:34:36 <sarob> matjazp: yeah,
17:34:39 <sayalilunkad> sarob: you can find them here
17:34:47 <sarob> sayalilunkad: ah nice
17:34:59 <sarob> sayalilunkad: so organized
17:35:07 <sayalilunkad> sarob: :)
17:36:07 <sarob> so for the summit if we can clean up the associate guide, publish html slides,
17:36:28 <sarob> anything more that should get done labs wise before the summit?
17:36:47 <sarob> want to create the how to slides for the summit?
17:36:54 <rluethi> sarob: all races should be fixed. all other known bugs, too.
17:37:10 <dguitarbite> rluethi: +1
17:37:20 <dguitarbite> mostly the labs are stable but some more polishing work
17:37:37 <matjazp> we should promote labs more...
17:37:47 <matjazp> you know, as a training tool
17:38:02 <rluethi> matjazp: maybe there's a chance in vancouver, for those who go there.
17:38:14 <sarob> #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides/+milestone/kilo-3
17:38:23 <matjazp> rluethi: yes, my thoughts exactly
17:38:25 <sayalilunkad> a demo at the summit would be good
17:38:35 <sarob> do we have any confirmed labs bugs right now?
17:39:04 <matjazp> just out of curiosity, are you still working on the kvm port?
17:39:04 <rluethi> sarob: a few races are still open, I believe.
17:39:06 <sayalilunkad> yes the colorizer bug is there
17:39:21 <rluethi> sayalilunkad: that's a wishlist item.
17:39:32 <sayalilunkad> rluethi: true.
17:39:54 <rluethi> matjazp: on my side, the KVM thing has stopped at the stage of PoC (lack of time).
17:40:06 <sayalilunkad> matjazp: the kvm port is done but its on our personal repo and needs a lot of code refactoring. but it works.
17:40:16 <dguitarbite> matjazp: from my side the KVM python port for Ubuntu works
17:40:18 <rluethi> matjazp: It would take at least a few days work to get it in a useable state.
17:40:22 <matjazp> rluethi: did you encounter any blockers? or it just need polishing?
17:40:26 <dguitarbite> CentOS and OpenSUSE base is installed
17:41:20 <matjazp> why dont you guys publish a dev branch somewhere?
17:41:21 <sarob> i have a akanda training session coming up in late may
17:41:25 <rluethi> matjazp: no blockers. but it needs more than just polishing. I just hacked the virtualbox glue code to do KVM instead.
17:41:45 <sarob> i was thinking we could use some of osbash
17:42:19 <sayalilunkad> sarob: that would be awesome
17:42:26 <dguitarbite> rluethi: can we agree to have the KVM version in Python? I have worked with sayalilunkad and have the initial POC deploying Ubuntu as required! We get more features like internet connectivity to the VMs
17:42:28 <matjazp> rluethi: that's a perfectly valid PoC. the code needs to get out there so we can all start playing with it
17:42:54 <rluethi> matjazp: dguitarbite and sayalilunkad have github repos. my code is too much of an embarrassement to be published.
17:43:23 <dguitarbite> matjazp: https://github.com/sayalilunkad/libvirtPOC
17:43:31 <dguitarbite> check the Ubuntu version, it works  :)
17:44:03 <sarob> dguitarbite: so merge it in training repo
17:44:30 <dguitarbite> sarob: I wish it were that simple :|
17:44:39 <sayalilunkad> sarob: it needs code refactoring.
17:44:48 <sarob> dguitarbite: we just support ubuntu with spaghetti code for now
17:45:04 <dguitarbite> sarob: meanwhile osbash is awesome!
17:45:12 <dguitarbite> we do not need to make haste here
17:45:29 <sarob> dguitarbite: okey dokey
17:45:36 <sarob> dguitarbite: im hasty
17:45:54 <dguitarbite> sarob: but it is on the way :)
17:48:06 <sarob> so lets discuss what we want to get done over the next few weeks over the ML
17:48:25 <sarob> im not sure im sure
17:48:47 <sarob> what we all have time for and feel needs to get done
17:48:56 <sayalilunkad> I am not keeping too well since the past week, so I cannot commit much till next week.
17:50:12 <sayalilunkad> But I had taken up the task for the css and I'm afraid with my state it might be a bit delayed unless someone wants to take over.
17:50:13 <sarob> sayalilunkad: understood
17:50:54 <matjazp> sayalilunkad: it's not so important to do css for now
17:51:23 <sarob> prioritzing patching in flight, bp, bugs and assigning them to kilo-m3 as the summit target
17:51:23 <sayalilunkad> matjazp: ok, but not even the openstack logo?
17:51:28 <sarob> seems like a plan
17:51:47 <sarob> then we branch kilo sometime post summit
17:52:06 <matjazp> sayalilunkad: sure.. we have title slides and colors for now.. logo is next but is not thiat crucial
17:52:26 <matjazp> sayalilunkad: we need to focus on the content
17:52:29 <sayalilunkad> matjazp: alright that would be good.
17:53:07 <sarob> so over the ML lets get down to the minimum for km3
17:53:19 <sarob> sounds like a plan?
17:53:30 <rluethi> sure
17:53:30 <matjazp> sayalilunkad: I still like Google's theme2, but there are some bugs in the Heiroglyph.. will be patched in v0.8 iirc
17:53:59 <matjazp> theme2= slides2
17:55:26 <sayalilunkad> matjazp: ok, theme2 hasn't been applied yet right?
17:55:59 <matjazp> I have a patch for enabling new theme for upstream content in the pipeline... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177780/, I think it's good enough for the Vancouver. If not, we can still update it.
17:56:30 <matjazp> sayalilunkad: no, I played with it and it has few annoying bugs
17:56:57 <sayalilunkad> matjazp: ah. I will check it out.
17:56:57 <matjazp> it is getting fixed upstream (Hieroglyph)
17:58:09 <sayalilunkad> matjazp: the theme is being fixed?
17:59:06 <matjazp> sayalilunkad: yes, see https://github.com/nyergler/hieroglyph/milestones/0.8
17:59:44 <sayalilunkad> matjazp: oh upstream there. I misunderstood it for upstream training :/
17:59:51 * sayalilunkad feels slow
17:59:58 <rluethi> closing time.
18:00:03 <sarob> yup
18:00:16 <matjazp> bye
18:00:18 <sarob> ill ping yall on the ml
18:00:21 <rluethi> k
18:00:22 <sayalilunkad> bye
18:00:28 <sarob> #endmeeting