17:01:39 #startmeeting training-guides 17:01:40 Meeting started Mon Jun 1 17:01:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:41 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:01:43 The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' 17:02:10 roll call 17:02:35 I'm here 17:02:40 ;) 17:03:20 so we can chat about what i did yesterday 17:03:24 agena 17:03:31 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/training-guides 17:03:45 sure 17:03:47 hey all 17:03:52 hello matjazp 17:04:29 matjazp? 17:04:34 matjazp! 17:05:03 long time no see guys ;) 17:06:16 yeah 17:07:03 so lets start with the last thing first 17:07:09 I'm looking at agenda for today... 17:07:21 #topic upstream training game 17:07:35 matjazp: yeah, want to add something? 17:08:41 no, I'm all ears 17:08:48 summit report and stuff :) 17:09:00 cool 17:09:14 #link https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwXG-5naVl-xfkcyUlBMR1RPb0Z6MGQwZVdONE0wT3Zfck5QUi1yN1YzUzNhNGF0alZCaVU&usp=sharing 17:09:29 i did this yesterday with a couple of friends 17:10:42 and this 17:10:45 what's with slides link? not public? 17:11:05 should be 17:11:13 Lego! Looks like you there was a good response 17:11:13 * sarob investigates 17:11:31 matjazp: you will have to copy the second part of the link too 17:11:38 it is broken 17:11:47 fixed 17:12:12 aha, ok 17:12:33 so i will refine it a bit 17:12:37 it was 4 hours 17:13:01 we can tune it down to 2.5-3 hours 17:13:18 by removing one of the cycles 17:13:48 we can spin it up to two releases as well to make it span 8hurs 17:14:00 this was a part of a training session or just lego? 17:14:12 im thinking 8 hours on legos might be too much 17:14:17 we should have all the material broken into smaller pieces so ppl can mashup their own presentations from our material. I think other will do same as you did 17:14:23 lego is the training session 17:14:41 ah alright 17:15:24 upstream is already close enough for this 17:15:37 close enuf? 17:16:14 we should divide our training guides too - maybe our "chapters" are too big to just take some slides about one smaller topic 17:16:47 sarob: upstream has material broken down into more than 10 topics 17:16:59 yeah, this helped me understand alot 17:17:07 between yesterday and last week 17:17:17 smaller sections 17:17:35 with flexibility thought in 17:17:50 "close enough" is because you still had to make your own slides and not just take pieces of upstream and add some slides to stitch them together 17:18:01 so maybe even smaller units are needed? 17:20:09 ah right 17:20:34 reed had not published this part of the training yet 17:20:47 im going to patch these slides in 17:20:49 this week 17:21:13 im starting to think we should lead with legos 17:21:27 it gets people's attention 17:21:46 and explains how the community works through example 17:22:12 legos are expensive though 17:22:29 but available to rent many places 17:22:30 yeah it would be great to have slides to help trainers get started with legos 17:22:46 so coordination with user group sponsors would be good 17:22:51 required 17:23:16 #action sarob patch upstream training game content this week 17:24:52 whatcha thinking? 17:25:10 hmm.. it depends on the crowd 17:25:45 but if material is there, easy to reuse, it doesn't matter, you just adapt to the expected crowd 17:26:40 sure 17:27:15 but yes, just add these into upstream, it will nicely round the material 17:27:35 if we allow for each section to be independent then the teacher can decide 17:27:55 btw, did you happen to have some time to look at the landing page? 17:28:10 matjazp: no i havent 17:28:26 we were discussing things in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185946/ 17:28:37 matjazp: i have been overloaded 17:28:49 * sarob looking... 17:29:34 but we also need a "static" custom html landing page that stitches these together 17:31:15 we should just reuse either ops guide or networkign guide 17:31:28 ops was my choice 17:31:30 and publish upstream links there 17:32:12 networking guide has links for bug reporting 17:33:04 i like that 17:33:31 i dont like the ToC 17:33:59 ops looks more professional 17:34:54 ops has static content 17:34:55 id use ops as template with embedded videos of user group training sessions 17:35:03 just a few 17:35:04 already generated ebooks and html 17:35:37 netowrking guide is RST based, so much closer to our needs 17:35:57 we're already streched thin, we should reuse as much as possible 17:36:29 matjazp: good point 17:36:44 matjazp: i havent done it yet, so simple is better 17:38:03 upstream material is already good enough to be officially published 17:39:37 i agree 17:40:37 where is the source file 17:40:47 im digging through git right now 17:41:08 maybe we can ask Andreas? 17:41:19 yeah, good idea 17:42:52 think this is it 17:42:53 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/master/doc/networking-guide/source/index.rst 17:43:47 there is also a build py that i would need to patch 17:44:10 so the post gate publish job will pick up the content 17:44:35 yes this is "internal" content on the page, where is the rest of the template? in the build system? 17:46:58 tools/publishdocs.sh calls tools/www-generator.py 17:47:57 ill spend a few minutes to walk it 17:48:02 move on? 17:48:09 yes 17:48:28 sure 17:48:35 #action sarob patch training-guides landing page for upstream content 17:48:42 #topic summit review 17:49:01 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-training-guides-design 17:50:13 so the certification stuff 17:50:26 is weighing heavy on my planning 17:51:08 with matjazp and dguitarbyte getting involved with the certification stuff 17:51:33 i can rest a bit easier that the certification wont go sideways 17:51:56 sayalilunkad: let me know how you want/could be involved as well 17:52:06 sarob: it can always go sideways :) 17:52:19 sayalilunkad: if you just want to be kept in the loop thats totally okey 17:52:24 sayalilunkad: no pressure 17:52:47 matjazp: well, yes, but with y'all involved, less chance 17:53:43 sarob: sure. I can't commit much time right now but I will be in the loop and contribute where I can 17:53:52 sayalilunkad: np 17:54:09 sayalilunkad: i wanted to extend the offer 17:54:33 sarob: :) 17:54:41 sayalilunkad: with the desire to get the certification process influenced by involved community members 17:55:38 sarob: yes, that is needed 17:56:31 idea out there to create training specific for product managers 17:56:49 getting involved because of the product team work 17:58:11 lost time 17:58:23 i have a hard stop at 11am 17:58:37 y'all make some notes in the design etherpad? 17:58:43 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-training-guides-design 17:58:43 ok 17:58:47 yuo 17:58:50 yup* 17:58:55 cool 17:59:03 sorry i rambled so much 17:59:14 i worked all weekend on tutorials 17:59:21 np 17:59:38 see you on the ml 18:00:06 bye 18:00:22 bye 18:00:24 #endmeeting